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roopy

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I notice that a lot of people think Argentina are a real chance to knock over Australia in the first game of the World Cup.

If that happens, I think the sound of TV switches turning to the off position and people ripping up tickets will be audible from the moon.

I hope the TV rights and pre sale of tickets cover costs, because they might have to.
 

Marcus

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I don't think losing to Argentina is the end all and be all for the wallabies.

Yes a loss would be a big let down, but people ripping up tickets? don't see that happening.

If anything a loss would be really good for the tournament. It would make it very interesting.

If Australia was to finish second in their pool, then there of course there is that possibility that they could face NZ in the final. A trans-tasman final would be huge, very huge.
 

bayrep

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roopy said:
I notice that a lot of people think Argentina are a real chance to knock over Australia in the first game of the World Cup.

If that happens, I think the sound of TV switches turning to the off position and people ripping up tickets will be audible from the moon.

I hope the TV rights and pre sale of tickets cover costs, because they might have to.

It would show how fickle the Aus public would be if that did happen.
 

roopy

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bayrep said:
roopy said:
I notice that a lot of people think Argentina are a real chance to knock over Australia in the first game of the World Cup.

If that happens, I think the sound of TV switches turning to the off position and people ripping up tickets will be audible from the moon.

I hope the TV rights and pre sale of tickets cover costs, because they might have to.

It would show how fickle the Aus public would be if that did happen.

bayrep,
The Australian public, or rather the Sydney public, are fickle, which is exactly why they are a chance to watch the Union WC in the first place.
Union and AFL are not traditionally popular with a mass audience in Sydney, but over the last 10 years or so things like the Olympics and the Sydney Swans etc has taught Sydney people that they can enjoy big events, whoever puts them on. Unfortunately for Union, Sydney people will only show up in numbers if 'their' team is in with a shot, because they are spoilt for choices.

If the Union WC is to be a huge success with Sydney people it will be because they have a chance to see their team do well. If the wobblies go shocking, Sydney fans will be watching the bowls or the netball instead, because those sports are just as popular, and we can win them.
 

Mango

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RooPY,
The OZ public extends past Sydney. The RWC is being played around Australia. most tickets have been sold. You are conditioned to people receiving free tigkets to mungo matches. In real RUGBY we pay our way and do not readily tear them up...especially in Darwin. Perth. Adelaide. Melbourne etc where we wait on tenderhooks for this opportunity.
I realise logic has little chance with one that still thinks the knights can win the comp. Cheap shot, but hey..will u know the diff.
MANGO.
 

Stevo_G

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yeah and how many matches r sold out
and i am sure after the world cup is over how many melbourne residents will give a shitt about union
 

Bomber

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Mango said:
RooPY,
The OZ public extends past Sydney. The RWC is being played around Australia. most tickets have been sold. You are conditioned to people receiving free tigkets to mungo matches. In real RUGBY we pay our way and do not readily tear them up...especially in Darwin. Perth. Adelaide. Melbourne etc where we wait on tenderhooks for this opportunity.
I realise logic has little chance with one that still thinks the knights can win the comp. Cheap shot, but hey..will u know the diff.
MANGO.

And whos to say that had Eric Watson not bought the tickets, Warriors fans wouldn't have bought them anyway?

'Most tickets have been sold'......ha!

What makes Rugby League less 'real' than Rugby Union? Come on, you've made a bold sweeping statement, I'm dying to know why.

There are no RWC matches in Darwin, dropkick. And the Launcestonites are not exactly getting into an orgasmic state about watching Togo and Bolivia fight it out.

Before you rubbish a great GRASSROOTS supporter of league like Roopy, take a look at yourself and think about what you've done for union in the last ten years. Have you seen a local game? Or are you just another one of those yellow-clad aristocrats?

When all the hype dies down, there will still be rugby league played. And what of union?

The fact is, far from being a global sport, with the exception of France all the fair dinkum union countries are or were either a member of the Commonwealth or a British colony.

Who in China, or Russia, or indeed USA, will care about your precious,six week long tea-party?
 

dimitri

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The fact is, far from being a global sport, with the exception of France all the fair dinkum union countries are or were either a member of the Commonwealth or a British colony.


exactly


RL has France, New Caledonia, Russia, Lebanon, PNG
 

Mint Condition

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A test match between Madagascar v Morrocco last weekend had a crowd of over 30 000.

Georgia have got crowds of over 50 000 to games against Russia and Romania.

France get huge crowds to RU test matches and Italy get crowds of over 20/30K regularly.

Argentina also regularly get big crowds of up to 50 000.

It's not just a British colonial game.

No it doesn't come anywhere near soccer, but it destroys Rugby League internationally and if anyone disagrees than they're deluded morons that should be institutionalised.
 

Bomber

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Mint Condition said:
A test match between Madagascar v Morrocco last weekend had a crowd of over 30 000.

Georgia have got crowds of over 50 000 to games against Russia and Romania.

Provide references. I can't even find any proof on the IRB homepage that the Madagascar-Morocco match even took place

Mint Condition said:
No it doesn't come anywhere near soccer, but it destroys Rugby League internationally and if anyone disagrees than they're deluded morons that should be institutionalised.

You are wrong. Anybody who thinks that Glen Panaho, Matt Dunning or Chris Handy are/were finely tuned atheletes are deluded morons.
 
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Bomber said:
Mint Condition said:
No it doesn't come anywhere near soccer, but it destroys Rugby League internationally and if anyone disagrees than they're deluded morons that should be institutionalised.

You are wrong. Anybody who thinks that Glen Panaho, Matt Dunning or Chris Handy are/were finely tuned atheletes are deluded morons.

LOL - agreed! But that wasn't Mint Condition's point.

There's an argument to be made that contested scrums reward sheer bulk to an extent. There would be no place in a league forward pack for someone carrying as much fat as Dunning.

Personally, I don't think there should be a place in a union team beyond club level for Dunning. He's just a cult figure based on his intercepts. The fact he gets them mostly by being out of position in the first place seems to elude his fans.
 

Bomber

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I agree Dean, I was just being mischevious :D

Believe me, I don't have a problem with people supporting rugby union for the right reasons. However, when they start comparing it with other sports such as league, in my eyes their argument loses creditibility.

On the other hand, I love league because it's league. Not because it's not AFL, or taekwondo, or tiddlywinks.

Just because league doesn't have an international presence such as creditible test matches between second tier nations, doesn't mean it doesn't have international presence full stop. There are kids in Russia playing league, where it's known as 13-a-side Rugby. There is a fledging competition in New Caledonia, despite the efforts of the local rugby union (link)There are also competitions in the United States, South Africa, and PNG, where the game is huge.

What I'm trying to say is, because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Cheers
Bomber
 

Mint Condition

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Matt Dunning's better than people give him credit for. He's got a bit of flair about him. Once he settles more and improves his scrummaging (which he has been for the last year) he'll be a gun player.

Here's a pretty rough translation of a match report of the morrocco game someone posted on the planet rugby message board:

The Moroccan rugbymen were too large, very strong, more technical and had, in addition, an irreproachable physical condition. In short, they were well above the Madagascar Makis, who truly suffered.

Morroco come to sit on supremacy. The final score of 62 to 36 in known as length on the aspect of the meeting. In other words, and without wanting to claim to be able to compete with Springboks South-African and All Black New Zealand, Moroccan Rugby has real qualities that neither aggressiveness nor the great class of José N´ont succeeded in making doubt.

They had come to gain and they did in front of a public of Mahamasina (stadium in Antananarivo, capital of Madagascar) estimated at more than 30.000 hearts which, fair-play, recognized after the final whistle of the French ref matter of Rugby, Madagascar has still way to make.

Even if on this last point, Moroccan technical staff remained admiring in front of the talent of José, who carried out one with fault with his 7 penalties. In spite of a wound with a knee, the captain offered the first Malagasy test to his companion before carrying out the second.

Lorsquil managed to bore the lines postpone Moroccan (70è) with slalom as only the large players can do it. The score at the half-time from 24 to 19 in favour of the visitors allowed d´ailleurs to provide the illusion of a bus of speed. Makis had solid arguments to resell.

Without a light hesitation in race end, Coconut (this appears to be someone's name - Hannibal), with L'issue and déboulé on the right side, was capable to mark a test.

Between Short dream and reality, and when they put the manner at it, the Madagascans could do something, in particular the loads which reflect with evil a Moroccan formation which did not compete with such an opposition.

But between the dream and reality, Makis went down from their tree to assist, impotent with a road roller Moroccan author and true festival towards the end of the part.

That of which it can not be completely wrong since the difference on the level of the gauge was obvious and was hazardous to want to face the Morrocans in duel. The part ended on a heavy defeat of Makis but, beautiful players, the public offered a standing ovation to them, which could be only an expression of great encouragement.
 

Bomber

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Thank you, Mint Condition.

It's easy to make any sort of wild claims but when there is no hard data to back it up, credibility goes out of the window.

Here's a tongue-in-cheek question - how many of the 30,000 paid for their tickets?
 

Mango

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Bomber,
Where do u get the idea Mungo Rugby is huge in PNG. A large crowd is up to 10000 and that is only once or twice a year. Less than 30% of the population would be aware of the game. Trust me, I lived there for several years. It is a major sport by PNG standards but NOT huge. Nothing in PNG is huge except the Mountains, poverty and lawlesness.
 

Te Kaha

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Mango said:
Bomber,
Where do u get the idea Mungo Rugby is huge in PNG. A large crowd is up to 10000 and that is only once or twice a year. Less than 30% of the population would be aware of the game. Trust me, I lived there for several years. It is a major sport by PNG standards but NOT huge. Nothing in PNG is huge except the Mountains, poverty and lawlesness.

You lived there and you state League is not huge?????

you are either an idiot or a liar.
 

Mint Condition

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Bomber said:
Here's a tongue-in-cheek question - how many of the 30,000 paid for their tickets?

lol, I doubt many but people in those countries aren't exactly the richest people in the world. Actually there's been a few crowds like that in madagascar over the last couple of years. If they did pay though it wouldn't have been much. It would have been the same for that USA v Russia league game that got 25 - 30 K last year though.

League is huge in PNG, you can't deny that. Is it as big as RU is in Fiji, Samoa and Tonga?
 

Bomber

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It's all relative, I suppose, Mint Condition.

Didn't Samoa have a team in the Super Tens (?) almost ten years ago?
Economics aside, why don't they, or a combined Pacific team, have a place in the Super 12s now?

Mango, I went to boarding school with lads from PNG for five years. They used to have the papers flown in almost weekly, and the amount of league coverage was huge, not just the ARL (as it was back then) but also competitions in Lae, Madang, Moresby, the Highlands.....

Because a country doesn't have a professional competition per se, with players attracting megabucks, doesn't mean it's not popular. Soccer and netball are among Australia's most popular sports in term of participation rates, yet the NSL is a joke and the National netball league has a neligible impact on the national psyche
 
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