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Put up or shut up, ASADA.

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spider

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I didn't vote per any ticket, counted my own out.

Never voted on my promises or speculative charters either.
 

carcharias

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I take every man on face value .
Mark was not the man for the job .

Great player
All the rest is good but I don't think he is the man.
 
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ASADA wants access to mountain of ACC evidence

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...cc-evidence-20130515-2jmyh.html#ixzz2TNoE7f3P

Cronulla players are likely to be still arguing with the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority this time next year, when Essendon players will have already served their suspensions.
That is the most likely scenario, unless federal government lawyers succeed in gaining immediate permission to use evidence collected by the Australian Crime Commission. ASADA and the ACC have a mountain of information, including testimony by guilty parties and emails and text messages, but some of the ACC material cannot be used as evidence against the NRL and AFL players because it was gained by coercion.
Government lawyers are working late to devise ways the material can be supplied to ASADA in order to build a stronger case against players and coaches.
The Sharks are gambling that ASADA does not have sufficient evidence against them, basically taking the view: We don't know what drugs we took, and the people who injected us aren't talking either. The NRL appears to be supporting them in this stance, insisting the players should be allowed their common law right not to incriminate themselves.
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After all, the Cronulla players' NRL contract obliges them to co-operate with ASADA, and this could be interpreted as reporting for an interview. If David Gallop were still in charge at the NRL, it would be different.
Gallop is deputy chairman of the Australian Sports Commission - the federal government's sport funding and policy arm - meaning he would feel obliged to demand Cronulla comply with all the requests of another federal government body. However, another lawyer and former chairman of an NRL club, Newcastle's Michael Hill, supports the Cronulla players' stance, pointing out they already have short careers. ''The players also have the moral and legal backing of 200 years of the Australian system of law, that is, that if you accuse someone of doing something, you have to prove it,'' Hill said.
A player's contractual obligation to co-operate with ASADA is different to WADA's ''substantial assistance'' clause. This applies only to players who plead guilty and seek a 75 per cent reduction in their sanction, taking it from two years to six months. Although the Cronulla and Essendon cases are mirror images of each other, the codes are poles apart in their dealings with ASADA. From the outset, when Essendon announced they had invited the AFL and ASADA to investigate them for doping violations, all the parties have been on the same page. When an Essendon player is interviewed, in attendance are representatives of the AFL integrity unit, ASADA, player managers and the AFL Players’ Association.
If all the Essendon players agree on the circumstances of the injections they were given and provide the same evidence to ASADA, they could scarcely be accused of ‘‘dobbing in a teammate’’. It is possible all the guilty Essendon players could be served with six-month suspensions beginning October 1 and concluding a couple of games into the 2014 season. However, the AFL, Essendon and ASADA can’t effectively massage an agreed penalty.
ASADA must supply an independent body, the Anti-Doping Rule Violation Panel, with a brief of evidence and a recommended course of action. It will ask the ADRVP to list the player/coach/trainer on ASADA’s Register of Findings, the official instrument which lays a charge against him/her.
The ADRVP reviews the evidence and will say yes, no, or instruct ASADA to collect more material. Assuming it says yes, ASADA sends a letter to the player/coach/trainer informing him he has a case to answer. A letter is also sent to the NRL/AFL informing them of the decision.
It is then the responsibility of the NRL/AFL to issue an infraction notice, summoning the player to its own tribunal.
This answers those who ask: Why doesn’t ASADA charge the Cronulla players? Why doesn’t the NRL/AFL charge them?
The Register of Findings is the automatic trigger to a charge, and neither ASADA nor the sporting body can do anything until it has been set.
There is one more complication. Because the dealings are with government bodies, an Administrative Appeals Tribunal sits in the middle of all this. The player has a right to take his case to the tribunal, and the NRL/AFL will wait to see if he does this before summoning him to their tribunal.
Hence, the possibility the Cronulla case could drag on to next year, while guilty Essendon players could be back on the field by round two next season.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...cc-evidence-20130515-2jmyh.html#ixzz2TNo2q0k0
 

spider

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10% new stuff - 90% regurgitated same shit.

It's bleeding obvious ASADA have f**k all without the ACC evidence, which they can't use.
 
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The part I liked was the fact another lawyer has come out and backed the players stance.
I dont see any lawyers coming out and backing ASADA, just two bit journos.
 
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Read that a few hours ago, ole mate (couldnt be arsed linking it up).
Like I said, only two-bit journos are backing ASADA
 

DJShaksta

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Just read that article Quigs.
Fugg em.
Live your work Wade.
Drop an F bomb next post game interview and the transformation will be complete.
Ladies and gents, we the Cronulla Sharks give you:
Wade FUGGEN Graham.
 

Surely

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Pretty desperate now, trying to get access to evidence produced through dubious means.
 

Quigs

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What gets me DJ is that a middle aged wanker that walks around everywhere with an oversized bright red hanky glued to his farkennn head has the audacity to question someone else dress sense.

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carcharias

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Why does he wear that thing??

I will give him credit for one thing, his book Batavia is a cracking yarn.
 

coolumsharkie

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Oh Peter, you've really have lost it this time!.... Your syrupy sanctimony is barely tolerable at the best of times, but now you've gone and taken it to another level all together.... We get it Peter...you're offended by the swearing.... You prefer humility to hubris, subservience to swagger.... How dare Graham using innapropriate assertion to deflect what he see's as an innapropriate intervention?.... A frontal assault threatening the career of one who knows how to put on a big hit of his own.... Peter, this was an interview proccess that could easily have led to him being suspended for 2 years for being given something he may not even have known was prohibited?... Some of us are able look beyond the lack of niceties displayed to observe the qualities of leadership as they pertain to a football field. The instinct to dominate is prerequisite... No one is Suggesting That Graham will ever will captain Australia in Cricket here Peter... And how ironic it is that you find fault with Grahams attire when you present yourself ( see above) as someone doing a bad impersonationof captain Jack Sparrow..... For the record Peter, The CEO of the NRL read the complete transcript of the interview and said that Graham's level of co-operation was satisfactory...

Was this it? Pretty good response imo.
 

coolumsharkie

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Yeah you are spot on Pete. Wade shouldn't of rocked up dressed like that. He should be concerned about his appearance in public. He should of walked into that meeting wearing a big bright red headscarf. No what he should do is wear a big bright red headscarf where ever he goes. That way he will look "cool" and "with it"
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Ok found it lol
 
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