QLD wingers

[user_nat]

Tonga and Nielsen were ahead of him last year. So I can see why he would see himself as pretty far down the list.

 

[Fast Eddie]

There was no guarantee of that happening. Besides a starting spot sounds far more attractive than potentially being on call.

So much for being simply not true right?

Like I said he made it sound like he chose England completley out of convenience, which isn't true because he wanted to and wants to play for England. If he had decided to reverse his decision now then I would have agreed with what was said.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Yet you have no quote to back that up Eddie

 

[Mr Fourex]

Like I said he made it sound like he chose England completley out of convenience, which isn't true because he wanted to and wants to play for England.

...cause he didn't think he'd make origin

Sold himself short.

 

[Big Pete]

The quote was from Reed.

 

[Fast Eddie]

I meant what the original guy was saying in this thread, how he should have been patient and waited to play origin.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Yet you have no quote to back that up Eddie

To back what up? That he wanted to and wants to play for England?

 

[Big Pete]

You read too much into what Deej said.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Quite possibly.

But anyway you guys wouldn't want Reed to play for QLD anyway would you? It says in that article that if he could he would have played SOO but still wanted to play for England and that goes against the whole idea of SOO....

 

[gUt]

The State of Origin should be an NRL, not an ARL exhibition series. Any player playing in the Australian comp good enough to make either side should be allowed to play in the SOO, and then represent their country of choice as well. They should be separate considerations. Gone are the days when Origin was a trial for the Australian team. Unless the Kiwis and Islanders can organize something similar to SOO for themselves, they should be allowed to compete in SOO.

 

[Big Pete]

If he had of chosen Queensland I'm sure he would have been fine representing Australia if given the chance.

As it stands, he had a greater chance of representing England so he chose them; it's only natural he shows some loyalty to them.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Exactly

There is no evidence to say that he would have chosen England over Qld/Australia if he was a genuine chance of making either side at the time he made his choice.

 

[Mr Fourex]

The State of Origin should be an NRL, not an ARL exhibition series. Any player playing in the Australian comp good enough to make either side should be allowed to play in the SOO, and then represent their country of choice as well. They should be separate considerations. Gone are the days when Origin was a trial for the Australian team. Unless the Kiwis and Islanders can organize something similar to SOO for themselves, they should be allowed to compete in SOO.

State of Origin is QLD V NSW........always has been and always should be. Nothing to do with the NRL which will at some stage also involve W.A based teams.....S.A based teams, most probably even more international based teams (U.K, NZ or PNG etc etc). Now if these teams have either NSW or QLD bred players then they should be available to play for their states.

I strongly disagree with letting Kiwis, Poms...whoever, enter into what was set originally to be a contest between NSW and QLD.

If international bred players want to play in high standard RL games like SOO......then they can start their own rep comp

I think Australia is doing more than it's fair share already by forming the NRL and opening it up to the rest of the world. Why should we then tear down long standing Australian RL traditions simply to allow foreigners to play amongst our own rep games.

It's high time the New Zelanders (for example) start doing something for themselves.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Absolute no brainer ... Boyd and Tate. Graham's been named as a back-up in the past, but I'd prefer O'Neil if fit. Daniel Vidot is another option if his form improves.

I'd be happy with Boyd and Tate.

 

[Desert Qlder]

The State of Origin should be an NRL, not an ARL exhibition series. Any player playing in the Australian comp good enough to make either side should be allowed to play in the SOO, and then represent their country of choice as well. They should be separate considerations. Gone are the days when Origin was a trial for the Australian team. Unless the Kiwis and Islanders can organize something similar to SOO for themselves, they should be allowed to compete in SOO.

Garbage.

Because other nations seem unwilling or unable to form their own equivalent competitions we are then obliged to sully what should be a pure contest between states? Their inadequacy should not be rewarded, and individual players from those nations will have to just miss out I'm afraid, they'll not get any sympathy from me. For mine, I'd rather Queensland lost series after series but went down fighting with our own rather than using mercenaries from bloody New Zealand.

At the end of the day, both Queensland and NSW are taking the easy option and exploiting the inaction of these nations and jealousies of the contest they harbour. Employing the services of Teo and Tamou are the two worst examples I've seen of this. The players are only doing what is natural, and their attraction to the contest is proving to difficult to resist. It should be up to those in positions of authority to show backbone and keep the ramparts upright.

This is a slippery slope to meaningless for the Origin series. From both camps we are seeing zero leadership and now we have astoundingly moronic calls from fans to throw the floodgates open.

Is it an All-Stars concept you really want to see? Because it seems to me that is exactly what you are advocating. I find it difficult to believe State of Origin could continue to maintain its allure to the fans if you were to get your way.

 

[isaiah]

i learnt one thing today, lote is now out of the running to play SOO, way too slow and soft

 

[mean_maori_mean]

Garbage.

Because other nations seem unwilling or unable to form their own equivalent competitions we are then obliged to sully what should be a pure contest between states? Their inadequacy should not be rewarded, and individual players from those nations will have to just miss out I'm afraid, they'll not get any sympathy from me. For mine, I'd rather Queensland lost series after series but went down fighting with our own rather than using mercenaries from bloody New Zealand.

At the end of the day, both Queensland and NSW are taking the easy option and exploiting the inaction of these nations and jealousies of the contest they harbour. Employing the services of Teo and Tamou are the two worst examples I've seen of this. The players are only doing what is natural, and their attraction to the contest is proving to difficult to resist. It should be up to those in positions of authority to show backbone and keep the ramparts upright.

This is a slippery slope to meaningless for the Origin series. From both camps we are seeing zero leadership and now we have astoundingly moronic calls from fans to throw the floodgates open.

Is it an All-Stars concept you really want to see? Because it seems to me that is exactly what you are advocating. I find it difficult to believe State of Origin could continue to maintain its allure to the fans if you were to get your way.

I mostly agree with you...

Teo and Tamou are different cases imo.

Teo actually does love himself and though of himself quite highly .... I hope he loved playing origin.. oh wait I mean i hope he love being 18th man.

He was told he would never get picked for samoa again ...heartless.

Dont flatter yourself.... it aint about trying to play in the highest arena bs...It all about the money.

Most of this is being led by their managers .... they are the ones fielding the calls and convincing the players it is in their interest to pursue origin.

Tamou call is ridicilous .... he clearily favoured NZ until last week.
For Ricky to chase him that hard is Waiving a white flag already.

Is Tamou really bound for origin.... or just city v country and an upcoming origin player like Bryce Gibbs lol...


I dont want to go into ....naming players who shouldnt have flipped etc.

but Jason Nightingale ..whole family are Kiwis and NZ born ..brothers and sisters included .. He even lived in NZ as a child for short time.

Like it or not the NRL is an australasian... if not International competition now. we dont need an invitation to play in "your tournament".

Warriors NYC team dominate year after year .. and the Warriors could field three teams in the NYC team and could probably all make the finals imo.

 

[Ernest the Sheep]

I mostly agree with you...

Teo and Tamou are different cases imo.

Teo actually does love himself and though of himself quite highly .... I hope he loved playing origin.. oh wait I mean i hope he love being 18th man.

He was told he would never get picked for samoa again ...heartless.

Dont flatter yourself.... it aint about trying to play in the highest arena bs...It all about the money.

Most of this is being led by their managers .... they are the ones fielding the calls and convincing the players it is in their interest to pursue origin.

Tamou call is ridicilous .... he clearily favoured NZ until last week.
For Ricky to chase him that hard is Waiving a white flag already.

Is Tamou really bound for origin.... or just city v country and an upcoming origin player like Bryce Gibbs lol...


I dont want to go into ....naming players who shouldnt have flipped etc.

but Jason Nightingale ..whole family are Kiwis and NZ born ..brothers and sisters included .. He even lived in NZ as a child for short time.

Like it or not the NRL is an australasian... if not International competition now. we dont need an invitation to play in "your tournament".

Warriors NYC team dominate year after year .. and the Warriors could field three teams in the NYC team and could probably all make the finals imo.

it's interesting the way kiwi 'heritage' in invoked in order to justify the selection of Oz born players in the kiwi side. Because I've never heard the PI heritage of kiwi born players mentioned, let alone it be suggested that they should play for a country other than NZ. There was a time (about 30 years ago!) when only NZ-based players were considered for the kiwis. Luckily that's changed, but it could be argued that it has gone too far now. For example it seems that locke is about to lose his fullback position in the kiwis to hoffman, a player born and raised in Oz. There is a great deal of hypocrisy surrounding these issues, and NZ are guilty of most of it, it has to be said. It was only a couple of years ago NZ were trying to poach williams, a player not even eligible for the kiwis. Of course the rules have never stopped the kiwis from trying it on, the imaginary grandma of fein being a case in point.

 

[mean_maori_mean]

it's interesting the way kiwi 'heritage' in invoked in order to justify the selection of Oz born players in the kiwi side. Because I've never heard the PI heritage of kiwi born players mentioned, let alone it be suggested that they should play for a country other than NZ. There was a time (about 30 years ago!) when only NZ-based players were considered for the kiwis. Luckily that's changed, but it could be argued that it has gone too far now. For example it seems that locke is about to lose his fullback position in the kiwis to hoffman, a player born and raised in Oz. There is a great deal of hypocrisy surrounding these issues, and NZ are guilty of most of it, it has to be said. It was only a couple of years ago NZ were trying to poach williams, a player not even eligible for the kiwis. Of course the rules have never stopped the kiwis from trying it on, the imaginary grandma of fein being a case in point.

f...off

New Zealand acknlowedge the dual heritage of it players and its people.
Something australia fail massively at..

A country where you can be labelled a islander, Mediterranean Descendant, etc but to be labelled an "australian" you tend to have to be a aussie of european heritage.

You simply dont understand ..
Jason Nigtingale, Nathan Cayless etc. are all maori... they have a link to the country of new zealand you do not understand.
The fact is ...they might have being born in australia but have a link to nz going back hundreds of years..to when they;re ancestors arrived in nz...
dont try and downplay this tie to NZ....

Actually the kiwis endorse the acknlowdgement of our polynesians cousins and acknowledge the role they play in NZ league history and future. Ask the boys that are in camp .. guys like Ruben Wiki involved...the kiwis would build a more of a suitable environment for polynesian footballers.
Something Tamou seems to be forgoing for money.. unless he changes his mind.
But had he committed to nz and experienced its something which would fastly become a spokesperson for.

I believe it something like 85% of all New Zealand local players are are polynesian whakapapa...i,.e Maori or Samoan/Tongan/Hawaiian/Niuean/Cook Island

These a genuine local players...we didnt pinch them from the islands like it is often alluded too.

We must remember NZ League players like Olsen Filipaina, James Leulauai etc lead the way for Polynesian players in the NRL and English League in overcoming racism laying down the foundation
Something which I dont think is acknowledged enough by the league or the players now in the league.

 

[Ernest the Sheep]

f...off

New Zealand acknlowedge the dual heritage of it players and its people.
Something australia fail massively at..

A country where you can be labelled a islander, Mediterranean Descendant, etc but to be labelled an "australian" you tend to have to be a aussie of european heritage.

You simply dont understand ..
Jason Nigtingale, Nathan Cayless etc. are all maori... they have a link to the country of new zealand you do not understand.
The fact is ...they might have being born in australia but have a link to nz going back hundreds of years..to when they;re ancestors arrived in nz...
dont try and downplay this tie to NZ....

Actually the kiwis endorse the acknlowdgement of our polynesians cousins and acknowledge the role they play in NZ league history and future. Ask the boys that are in camp .. guys like Ruben Wiki involved...the kiwis would build a more of a suitable environment for polynesian footballers.
Something Tamou seems to be forgoing for money.. unless he changes his mind.
But had he committed to nz and experienced its something which would fastly become a spokesperson for.

I believe it something like 85% of all New Zealand local players are are polynesian whakapapa...i,.e Maori or Samoan/Tongan/Hawaiian/Niuean/Cook Island

These a genuine local players...we didnt pinch them from the islands like it is often alluded too.

We must remember NZ League players like Olsen Filipaina, James Leulauai etc lead the way for Polynesian players in the NRL and English League in overcoming racism laying down the foundation
Something which I dont think is acknowledged enough by the league or the players now in the league.

Charmed I’m sure. Did I not mention my own Maori heritage, which no doubt would go back several hundreds of years also? But then I’m not so self-obsessed as to base my entire identity on the fact, or use that fact to enhance any point of view I might have. But I agree with you about the general Oz attitude to race, as it happens. They are far less inclusive then NZ, which probably explains why a lot more kiwi born players have not defected to SoO and Oz to date. So from NZ’s point of view you should be happy. However NZ can be as equally backwards as OZ, I’m afraid to say. The venom directed at players who opt to play for Oz rather than NZ is embarrassing to witness (Hunt being a prime example) . There is really is no need to take such happenings as a personal affront. Makes NZ look like a nation of hillbillies. And you seem to be contradicting yourself when you claim these players of ‘polynesian whakapapa’ are all genuine local players. Then surely nightingale, hoffman and beale are all equally local players to Oz? The dishonest component in your argument is the assumption that players of this so called ‘polynesian whakapapa’ should naturally be playing for NZ, and not their PI of heritage.