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R1 | Knights 24-14 Warriors @ Hunter | Sat 4.30pm

Round 1 result: Knights vs Warriors


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Frederick

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I just think people need to ask the question: "Is Sione amazing? Or is he amazing for his age?"

Right now I don't look at him and see a must-pick, standout star player who wins games with his brilliance. He might reach that point, but at the moment I'd say the most remarkable thing about Sione is how well he 'fits in' to first grade and even rep football with so little experience under his belt.

He just looks the part and he has everything needed to make it. But I also think his actual performances are getting hyped. He's not Lyon, Hodges, Jennings, Morris, Walker etc just yet. In my opinion he's not even Joey Leilua just yet.

Do I hope he stays and becomes the best centre in the game? Sure I do. But if he was a 26-year-old journeyman with less than 10 first grade games under his belt (and some strong performances, absolutely) we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion.

As for his brothers - ughhhhh no thanks. Chanel is way overrated. I'd have let all 3 of them walk already for Merrin and another quality young hooker to compete with / support Clydesdale.

We don't need another hooker. Clydsdale is competent enough, plus we've got Randell, Redman, and Levi (who is the best of the lot)
 

Sacrolishes

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I agree K-Man. completely. He'll get his chance but to be perfectly fare he and Mamo are in the same boat, two great talents behind an already established and highly talented back line. The incumbents who are playing round one deserve to be there. I think compared to previous seasons, if any of them are down on form they are going to get hooked by these young lads waiting for their chance. Both Mamo and Sione are super young, as long as they are being involved regularly in discussions with Stone etc in regards to there future and how it will work out so they get their 1st grade game time. I see it easier for Mamo as Gidley may rest up a little by end of year (depending on how we are going) and give Mamo his shot. He may have to just wait until Origin b4 that happens. But they will both get their opportunity. I think however there is going to be permanent room for them by Next year, with either Gagai leaving/Joey moved to forwards so Sione gets his position and for Mamo K Gidley retires/moves to England and the fullback spot i Mamo's in waiting.

Good position to be in regardless. Best back line depth in years. Now to keep them.
 

K-Man

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We don't need another hooker. Clydsdale is competent enough, plus we've got Randell, Redman, and Levi (who is the best of the lot)

That was probably the least important point in my post, but anyway.

I really rate Clydesdale but I disagree with you. I don't think the length of the list of hooker options makes us strong in that area, it just means we have a bunch of them. Randell and Redman look like first-grade fill-ins to me, and Levi is a huge talent but he's not ready yet.

Other clubs have more experienced bench hookers than our starting hooker. And if Clydesdale were injured, who starts? Randell, our utility? Redman? Gidley? There's no way we are strong at hooker. We just have about 5 guys who can technically play there and that's a very different thing. I'm talking about winning a premiership, not putting team on the paddock.
 

Joker's Wild

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He's definitely far from the quickest. If he could really hit the line hard and with speed he'd find it a bit easier to poke through, find the ground and be up to play the ball a bit quicker giving the defensive line less time to set.

Instead he hits the line slower and softer and is held upright by the tacklers, allowing the defence to retreat and get set. All just a bit too slow.

I dont think he is all that slow tbh however i think it takes him a bit more room to wind up like most big props. Like pervy said though he never gets dominated and fights for metres until the held call. Quick PTBs are great for outside backs trying to get metres in broken play or on kick returns but its rarely important in the middle against set defences

His ability to stay upright will pay off this season if the new ruck rules are enforced. He has a great off load and is an underrated ball player which has caught defences napping more than a few times

If he stays fit he is in for a big year imo
 

Noname36

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I agree K-Man. completely. He'll get his chance but to be perfectly fare he and Mamo are in the same boat, two great talents behind an already established and highly talented back line. The incumbents who are playing round one deserve to be there. I think compared to previous seasons, if any of them are down on form they are going to get hooked by these young lads waiting for their chance. Both Mamo and Sione are super young, as long as they are being involved regularly in discussions with Stone etc in regards to there future and how it will work out so they get their 1st grade game time. I see it easier for Mamo as Gidley may rest up a little by end of year (depending on how we are going) and give Mamo his shot. He may have to just wait until Origin b4 that happens. But they will both get their opportunity. I think however there is going to be permanent room for them by Next year, with either Gagai leaving/Joey moved to forwards so Sione gets his position and for Mamo K Gidley retires/moves to England and the fullback spot i Mamo's in waiting.

Good position to be in regardless. Best back line depth in years. Now to keep them.

That's the thing. There's absolutely chances for them both to get starting and long-term positions within the next year. Gidley and McManus are getting old, Gagai is rumoured to be off to Brisbane, BJ might keep growing and end up in the forwards, someone could get a bad injury (God forbid) or simply someone's form might be so bad Stone has no choice but to punt them for one of the younger guys.

It's not like we're asking them to stay with no chances of playing FG any time soon. If Gidley re-signed (God forbid) or Stone told Mamo that Ross was going to get the fullback gig long-term then I'd completely understand Mamo leaving. Likewise if we told Sione the back 5 are locked in for the next few years. That's not what's happening here though. They know they're heavily in the club's plans.

Right at the moment though neither of them are better options than those in front of them. Are they going to be? I really think so, but that doesn't mean they're there yet and mean they should automatically come in and take someone's spot who has done a good job there for years. If they were at a club like Brisbane where they couldn't get in front of someone like Reed or Maranta I'd see it very differently but we have a very good backline. Even the forum whipping boys in Gids and Gagai have a lot going for them in their respective positions.

The only one I really think should have been there is Tapine and that's just because IMO he already offers more than Houston and it must be hard for him knowing he can't get a crack in front of him. If Sione or Mamo are looking at anyone in our backline though and getting the shits because they're not in front of them then they're getting way ahead of themselves. I really doubt they would be anyway. They both seem like very level headed boys that have a lot of respect for the older players. I think they'll understand not being there much more than some of the fans.
 
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Yosh

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Sione is first reserve for the back 5 positions. Knowing our injury record, he'll be playing first grade in no time.

Does everyone see Sione as a centre? I always assumed he'd end up a fullback.
 

Still Nutty

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That's the thing. There's absolutely chances for them both to get starting and long-term positions within the next year. Gidley and McManus are getting old, Gagai is rumoured to be off to Brisbane, BJ might keep growing and end up in the forwards, someone could get a bad injury (God forbid) or simply someone's form might be so bad Stone has no choice but to punt them for one of the younger guys.

It's not like we're asking them to stay with no chances of playing FG any time soon. If Gidley re-signed (God forbid) or Stone told Mamo that Ross was going to get the fullback gig long-term then I'd completely understand Mamo leaving. Likewise if we told Sione the back 5 are locked in for the next few years. That's not what's happening here though. They know they're heavily in the club's plans.

Right at the moment though neither of them are better options than those in front of them. Are they going to be? I really think so, but that doesn't mean they're there yet and mean they should automatically come in and take someone's spot who has done a good job there for years. If they were at a club like Brisbane where they couldn't get in front of someone like Reed or Maranta I'd see it very differently but we have a very good backline. Even the forum whipping boys in Gids and Gagai have a lot going for them in their respective positions.

The only one I really think should have been there is Tapine and that's just because IMO he already offers more than Houston and it must be hard for him knowing he can't get a crack in front of him. If Sione or Mamo are looking at anyone in our backline though and getting the shits because they're not in front of them then they're getting way ahead of themselves. I really doubt they would be anyway. They both seem like very level headed boys that have a lot of respect for the older players. I think they'll understand not being there much more than some of the fans.


Just a thought but perhaps the only thing keeping Tapine back is the impending court case and whether the result of that is going to affect his playing future with the club...whilst they have certainly given him a run in the trials maybe the club is just holding back in the season proper to see how that plays out???
 

Still Nutty

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Sione is first reserve for the back 5 positions. Knowing our injury record, he'll be playing first grade in no time.

Does everyone see Sione as a centre? I always assumed he'd end up a fullback.

My personal preference for him is as a centre but I think he offers the versatility to play equally well in both...I generally look for a fullback to be an organiser and defensive coordinator on the field and I haven't seen enough of Sione to know if he is a big talker on the field and if this is a skill he has or would need to develop for the fullback role.

Anyway, lets get contracts signed first and then decide where his longer term position lies;-)
 

Sacrolishes

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Yeah I feel Tapine should have been there over Houso as well but the only reason I think is he maybe under performed in preseason and trials because of said court case looming, or Stone just wanted experience there for first game and let Tapine have less pressure in Cup.

Hopefully what ever the outcome for him the Knights just go and sack him, Suspend him for a few weeks if need be, what ever the required scenarios are, but allow him back in via supervision of Stone and Leading players. Can't lose him.
 

League_God

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The team I'd have named:

1.Kurt Gidley
2.James McManus
3.Dane Gagai
4.Joey Leilua
5.Aku Uate
6.Jarrod Mullen
7.Tyrone Roberts
8.Kade Snowden
9.Adam Clydesdale
10.David Faalogo
11.Beau Scott
12.Korbin Sims
13.Jeremy Smith

14.Tyler Randell
15.Paterika Vaivai
16.Jack Stockwell
17.Joseph Tapine

Korbin can move into the front row rotation at different stages when Tapine comes on.
 

Sacrolishes

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So you have Korbin playing 80mins? Don't think he's trained for that. Plus takes out his impact later in game.
 
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I steel feel Leilua or Sione will be on the bench and one of the forwards will make way. Not Randell. Houston possibly. Dave is too reliable.

With all due respect League God that bench would be eaten alive simply cos being an impact player is an art that goes far beyond youthful enthusiasm. They are talented kids but they are still kids who have their ways to go before they are ready for the big time. They need to bookended by experienced players.
 
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I do like however the thought of a youthful bench by mid season after they have been brought along slowly. Plenty left in the legs over 80 mins.
 
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Big Pete

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I'm confident of the Knights chances here.

The Warriors are notorious slow-starters, don't enjoy playing in NSW and have a few missing so the Knights should have the edge on this particular occasion.

Everything else is just a crap-shoot and as fans, you just hope for the best.

Whether fans want to admit it or not, Mata'utia's omission is by far the most newsworthy story to come out of those selections. While I wouldn't panic just yet since it's only Round 1, but sooner rather than later, Stone is going to have to find a spot for him because he is one of your best backs and I think he's got more skills and more professional qualities than those currently above him.

The bench will obviously need some re-tooling, but I don't think it's as big a headache at this stage.
 

Joker's Wild

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I'm confident of the Knights chances here.

The Warriors are notorious slow-starters, don't enjoy playing in NSW and have a few missing so the Knights should have the edge on this particular occasion.

Everything else is just a crap-shoot and as fans, you just hope for the best.

Whether fans want to admit it or not, Mata'utia's omission is by far the most newsworthy story to come out of those selections. While I wouldn't panic just yet since it's only Round 1, but sooner rather than later, Stone is going to have to find a spot for him because he is one of your best backs and I think he's got more skills and more professional qualities than those currently above him.

The bench will obviously need some re-tooling, but I don't think it's as big a headache at this stage.

Question is Pete, who do you drop for Sione?

1. The club captain
2. The current NSW winger
3. The touted heir to Hodges SOO jumper
4. The current Samoan centre
5. The previous Australian winger and 3(?) time Dally M winger of the year

Its a tough spot for Stone
 

Frederick

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Question is Pete, who do you drop for Sione?

1. The club captain
2. The current NSW winger
3. The touted heir to Hodges SOO jumper
4. The current Samoan centre
5. The previous Australian winger and 3(?) time Dally M winger of the year

Its a tough spot for Stone

In an ideal world, 1 or 3
 

Swarzey

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Good news....sorta....

NEWCASTLE is poised to re-sign utility Tyler Randell for a further two years as early as today but the young back-up hooker seems certain to be squeezed out of the Knights squad for their premiership opener against the Warriors in favour of teenage Kangaroos sensation Sione Mata’utia.

Randell was named on an extended bench that also included Mata’utia early this week for the Warriors clash at Hunter Stadium on Saturday with coach Rick Stone indicating he had done enough during the pre-season to warrant selection as Adam Clydsdale’s back-up hooker.


Sione Mata'utia in action for the Knights.

But with Stone understandably desperate to find a place in his 17 for Mata’utia and centre Joey Leilua, Randell will be the player to miss out.

NRL LATE MAIL: LAST-MINUTE TEAM NEWS

In a sure sign he has already made the decision to make the switch, Stone has closed Friday’s final training session to the media.



Halfback Tyrone Roberts has had experience as a stop-gap hooker and appears the likely candidate to give Clydsdale a breather during the game.

That would see skipper Kurt Gidley move from fullback into the halves.

Stone has the option of then playing Mata’utia at fullback or using him in the centres and shifting Dane Gagai into the custodian role.

Stone’s apparent willingness to make a raft of changes to accommodate one player indicates just how highly he regards the youngest of the Mata’utia brothers.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

As long as Gidley doesn't control much and leave the calls to Mullen, it could work out well.
 

Spot On

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I dont think he is all that slow tbh however i think it takes him a bit more room to wind up like most big props. Like pervy said though he never gets dominated and fights for metres until the held call. Quick PTBs are great for outside backs trying to get metres in broken play or on kick returns but its rarely important in the middle against set defences

His ability to stay upright will pay off this season if the new ruck rules are enforced. He has a great off load and is an underrated ball player which has caught defences napping more than a few times

If he stays fit he is in for a big year imo

If the NRL and refs are serious about taking back control of the ruck this season, quick play the ball will be absolute gold this season. A bloke like Tim Mannah will help his dummy half to massive space and metres around the ruck this season with his speed of the play the ball. Defences, in theory, should not have time to get set in the 'middle' as they have in the past if this new ruck interpretation is enforced.
 

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