Rabbitohs and Maguire part ways

[Souths Till I Die]

After thinking about it, I've come to believe that the club had every intention of replacing Madge with Seibold.



This is a really damning stat in my eyes and suggests to me that Madge was given the opportunity this season to try to put things right but failed to do so.

There are 3 things that stand out to me beyond results in recent seasons
- The players that have left the club. Walker, McInnes and Luke amongst others signed on elsewhere despite being under contract at the club.
- Players who have left have gone on to perform better at another club than they were at Souths, almost immediately.
- Meanwhile, the players who have remained at the club have regressed despite being at an age where they should be pushing on with their talents and having the best years of their careers.

In my mind, these three factors to me point to a change in charge needed and i believe that the correct decision was made. Seibold being almost immediately announced as his replacement tells me that he is the man the club wanted to be in charge in 2018 and beyond. Only time will tell if it's correct or not but i do believe that we are better than results under Madge in the past 2 or 3 seasons suggest.

I definitely see where you're coming from but I would argue a few things back.

1. Most of the players that have regressed were in the 2014 premiership side. It is extremely normal for players to regress in that way. Look at Andrew Fifita now. He's still great of course but he's gone backwards significantly since 2016 just like the Burgess twins slowly did. I believe The players that did regress always had that ability but needed a change of environment to spark that motivation again.

2. I think recruitment is Richo's fault. I honestly believe he needs a recruitment manager alongside him. Whilst he has made some good purchases he's also missed out on some good opportunities this year.

In saying all of this I am happy to embrace change. Even if I may sound like a cynical merkin I think this club has more to offer than what they have this year. So Seibold it is. He has my full backing as a Souths supporter.

 

[greg jay]

This is so incorrect it's not funny. Manly had so many up and coming juniors that weren't groomed properly in first grade because of Toovey with gutherson and vave being two of their biggest. Toovey inherited a grand final winning squad. Toovey' 2013 manly squad was as good as the storms 2017 squad. People were calling for toovey to be head coach of SOO because they think his winning percentage as a coach is everything. You're a Maguire hater which is kind of funny considering that him and Toovey are basically the same type of coaches. Maguire inherited a fantastic squad which eventually grew tired of his military like training. Toovey left the squad in shambles before he left and because of Toovey, Fulton had to have a clean out. Toovey has failed to prove that he can build a squad from the ground up so I definitely don't want him as a coach. Seibold is unproven but has been a mentor under Hasler, Bellamy, Maguire and Walters. You were calling for maguire's sacking all year and now you're suddenly getting cold feet? The truth is that Maguire shouldn't of been sacked in the first place.

I need to correct you old boy. Firstly I am NOT a Maguire "hater". I stated all along that Maguire is a GOOD COACH for 3 seasons then it starts to collapse. I also stated clearly that Maguire does not appear to have smarts when it comes to the roster and whom to retain/release. His roster and retention choices were poor over time as were his selections especially sticking with Talakai as a starting centre for 7 games. The team went 1-6 in that span. Had they won 3-4 of those they are essential a playoff team. My point is that I would rather stick with Maguire than have Seibold. Its scary that Seibold stated that Furner would quote "help guide me through this." Re Toovey: as for the player turnover when Toovey left Manly imported Walker Korisoau Sironen Brown Tapau et al. Major roster turnover. And both LeatherJackets emerged i.e Tom and Jakey. I feel like Toovey could help spark THE key to The Crisps' revival: Alf REYNOLDS. Being an ex halfback Toovey could get this guy motivated and put moves in the game plan for him to get him stimulated. Most games Reynolds is a total passenger he appears totally disinterested and flat. That's why I wanted ex experienced Head Coach who can stimulate Reynolds in particular. Seibold I just cant see that especially as he mumbles on about "relationships" in his PC. Reynolds needs a kick in the rear he needs to be challenged and motivated, not a "good relationship."

 

[greg jay]

I was definitely worried about Madge as a coach for a while but I've noticed this year that his actually coached us into games. Some of the notable ones being the Melbourne storm game earlier in the year, the Brisbane game that we were robbed in, the Eels game in the last round. Maguire's simple gameplan was followed and it worked. I felt like if Reynolds returned to form things could of been a lot different. Oh well I hope he doesn't hate the club too much I have nothing but respect for the man. I've heard from people that know him personally that he's such a good, genuine bloke.

You are absolutely correct in highlighting the poor form of one Alf REYNOLDS!!! He is a KEY player for The Crisps when on the team looks fast and aggressive. But he is mostly "off". Can Barrie DudBold rejuvenate Reynolds and The Burgess Three who are ALL in their football prime age wise?? This is what he needed to discuss at his PC and NOT F#$#%%#$ "relationships"!!! Its these guys LACK OF PERFORMANCE that's what the central problem is. Look at Bill Belichick Big Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson. Never ever were these legends of coaching about "developing relationships". In fact these men often distanced themselves from the players and generated a fear factor among the players about THEIR PERFORMANCE or lack thereof. Does Craig Bellyyyache go on about "relationships"???? No!!! Relationships are what I have with the missus children and our pets for Cruyfff's sake!!!!.

 

[Souths Till I Die]

I need to correct you old boy. Firstly I am NOT a Maguire "hater". I stated all along that Maguire is a GOOD COACH for 3 seasons then it starts to collapse. I also stated clearly that Maguire does not appear to have smarts when it comes to the roster and whom to retain/release. His roster and retention choices were poor over time as were his selections especially sticking with Talakai as a starting centre for 7 games. The team went 1-6 in that span. Had they won 3-4 of those they are essential a playoff team. My point is that I would rather stick with Maguire than have Seibold. Its scary that Seibold stated that Furner would quote "help guide me through this." Re Toovey: as for the player turnover when Toovey left Manly imported Walker Korisoau Sironen Brown Tapau et al. Major roster turnover. And both LeatherJackets emerged i.e Tom and Jakey. I feel like Toovey could help spark THE key to The Crisps' revival: Alf REYNOLDS. Being an ex halfback Toovey could get this guy motivated and put moves in the game plan for him to get him stimulated. Most games Reynolds is a total passenger he appears totally disinterested and flat. That's why I wanted ex experienced Head Coach who can stimulate Reynolds in particular. Seibold I just cant see that especially as he mumbles on about "relationships" in his PC. Reynolds needs a kick in the rear he needs to be challenged and motivated, not a "good relationship."

Okay I apologise I thought you were a Maguire hater because most of your posts this year were targeted at getting rid of him. I agree choosing talakai for seven games was very risky but at that point in time it was between talakai and fuimaono. Madge had no idea how fui would go at centre so can you really blame him for not taking the risky path? Especially when there's already so much pressure on him already. I don't claim to be a psychologist but I would assume most humans take less risk when put under a lot of pressure.

Tbh I completely agree about Reynolds and that he has had a shocking season. If he was carrying serious injuries though you have to give him some credit? He just had 2 off season surgeries and one of them was on his actual kicking foot which would explain why his kicking has been so far off lately.

The motivation thing is completely subjective though. There are some players who don't react well to being told off/kicked up the ass. It can in fact make their form worse because they lack that confidence. If Seibold is a good man manager then I think it could be perfect in reynolds' case. I believe he is a confidence player and he needs reassurance rather than a kick up the ass.

I agree with most of the things you say Greg but I can't agree on Toovey. I just can't see him taking our squad to the next level. Seibold however has been around the camp for a few years and knows the players well and has quite a lot of respect from them. I personally would never play for a coach that I didn't respect. I would only play hard for a coach that I believed in. I can't see Toovey coming in and being that guy.

 

[foreverinourshadow]

reynolds is made of glass time to move him on so that we can find a #7 that can stay on the field ....Shadow...if we stay with mediocrity such as keeping reynolds then we will fail we must have a #7 that stays on the field such as cronk... ..

 

[foreverinourshadow]

Adam reynolds must be the most injured #7 in the nrl .....why persist souths it aint working the man rarely plays a full game these days ffs...Shadow...

 

[The Windsor Rabbit]

I was definitely worried about Madge as a coach for a while but I've noticed this year that his actually coached us into games. Some of the notable ones being the Melbourne storm game earlier in the year, the Brisbane game that we were robbed in, the Eels game in the last round. Maguire's simple gameplan was followed and it worked. I felt like if Reynolds returned to form things could of been a lot different. Oh well I hope he doesn't hate the club too much I have nothing but respect for the man. I've heard from people that know him personally that he's such a good, genuine bloke.

everyone forgets that we lost one of the greatest players to ever play our game and and our captain 15mins into the season. it was all downhill after that.

 

[The Windsor Rabbit]

I need to correct you old boy. Firstly I am NOT a Maguire "hater". I stated all along that Maguire is a GOOD COACH for 3 seasons then it starts to collapse. I also stated clearly that Maguire does not appear to have smarts when it comes to the roster and whom to retain/release. His roster and retention choices were poor over time as were his selections especially sticking with Talakai as a starting centre for 7 games. The team went 1-6 in that span. Had they won 3-4 of those they are essential a playoff team. My point is that I would rather stick with Maguire than have Seibold. Its scary that Seibold stated that Furner would quote "help guide me through this." Re Toovey: as for the player turnover when Toovey left Manly imported Walker Korisoau Sironen Brown Tapau et al. Major roster turnover. And both LeatherJackets emerged i.e Tom and Jakey. I feel like Toovey could help spark THE key to The Crisps' revival: Alf REYNOLDS. Being an ex halfback Toovey could get this guy motivated and put moves in the game plan for him to get him stimulated. Most games Reynolds is a total passenger he appears totally disinterested and flat. That's why I wanted ex experienced Head Coach who can stimulate Reynolds in particular. Seibold I just cant see that especially as he mumbles on about "relationships" in his PC. Reynolds needs a kick in the rear he needs to be challenged and motivated, not a "good relationship."

keep that manly scum away from our team. you want a halfs coach hire cronk.

 

[greg jay]

keep that manly scum away from our team. you want a halfs coach hire cronk.

Its really hilarious re Cronk: Shadow Man wants him instantly installed as replacement for Reynolds without any consideration to the Salary Cap!!! Great work there and total realism again. Just state your wish and Presto!!! You need to listen to CEO Football manager Shane Richardson aka Burt Large speak before Rd 26 about The Salary Cap hell the club put itself in that may clarify some financial constraints and REALITY for you. Shadow.. YOU really need to listen to REALITY for once!!! As for The Windsor Man I remind YOU that The Crisps had Ron Willey as Coach and he got the side to win a playoff game after a playoff game v..... MANLY after being down 14-0 and considered no hopers!!! That side contained such struggling players as Paul Akkary Dean Rampling Darren Macca and a host of other NO NAMES. Also do YOU remember a Phillip BLAKE at all??? Probably you were in hibernation at that time. Let me fill in the gap. Phillip came from MANLY and he was one of the best players The Crisps ever had!!! . Dynamic and explosive game winner extraordinaire.... A PULSATING FOOTBALL PLAYER WEARING THE SMITHS CRISPS AND ALL!!! From MANLY!!! Also from Manly was one great second row forward named Wayne Chisholm whom The Crisps won many games with as a starter.So por favor quit with this nonsense "oh I dont want that Manly scum"... The Crisps already HAD a boatload of imported Manly imported scum.. and THEY WERE MAINLY GOOD!!!

 

[greg jay]

reynolds is made of glass time to move him on so that we can find a #7 that can stay on the field ....Shadow...if we stay with mediocrity such as keeping reynolds then we will fail we must have a #7 that stays on the field such as cronk... ..

And what would The Salary Cap DAMAGE be to sack Reynolds then import Cronk??? You have to keep paying out Reynolds's deal then pay overs for Cronk. Cronk is what 34?? How long does HE last?? Also Cronk has been rested regularly by Bellyache and he was injured for a few months last season. Great value that great way to arse root the club for the next 5 seasons. In my view Reynolds is overweight and NOT motivated. Look at his face and body he looks fat/chubby and not really interested. Perhaps a Coach like Toovey a former great halfback could get him fired up and motivated. Its a risk but a risk that has to be taken because if Alf Reynolds continues on his present trajectory The Crisps are DOOMED!!! Dont think DudBold will have the charisma and knowhow to do that considering his Head Coach experience was with a Second Division MALAKA side in the UK. Yes.. DudBold's experience as a Head Coach was in SECOND DIVISION UK Super League!! Help!!!

 

[foreverinourshadow]

i prefer/cody/cronk...reyno is made of glass..Shadow....

 

[greg jay]

Okay I apologise I thought you were a Maguire hater because most of your posts this year were targeted at getting rid of him. I agree choosing talakai for seven games was very risky but at that point in time it was between talakai and fuimaono. Madge had no idea how fui would go at centre so can you really blame him for not taking the risky path? Especially when there's already so much pressure on him already. I don't claim to be a psychologist but I would assume most humans take less risk when put under a lot of pressure.

Tbh I completely agree about Reynolds and that he has had a shocking season. If he was carrying serious injuries though you have to give him some credit? He just had 2 off season surgeries and one of them was on his actual kicking foot which would explain why his kicking has been so far off lately.

The motivation thing is completely subjective though. There are some players who don't react well to being told off/kicked up the ass. It can in fact make their form worse because they lack that confidence. If Seibold is a good man manager then I think it could be perfect in reynolds' case. I believe he is a confidence player and he needs reassurance rather than a kick up the ass.

I agree with most of the things you say Greg but I can't agree on Toovey. I just can't see him taking our squad to the next level. Seibold however has been around the camp for a few years and knows the players well and has quite a lot of respect from them. I personally would never play for a coach that I didn't respect. I would only play hard for a coach that I believed in. I can't see Toovey coming in and being that guy.

Correction my friend. Keeping young Talakai as a starting centre was SUICIDAL not risky and it cost Maguire his position. Also Seibold's only head coaching role was in Second Division UK Super League. this means that the Senior players The Burgess Brother Reynolds Inglis Farah etc will basically do the coaching and Seibold will simply nod his head in approval. He does not have the palmares, know how, experience and background to oppose them. Watch.

 

[greg jay]

i prefer/cody/cronk...reyno is made of glass..Shadow....

What YOU prefer and what is REALISTIC are asymmetrical and on a different train track. It simply cannot happen unless some sort of a trade is made between two clubs. As Bellyache is developing young Riley Jacks and others to assume Cronk's vacated position such a trade will never occur. Your next realism policy??.

 

[foreverinourshadow]

here it is again cody/cronk...S H A D O W...

 

[Pommy]

I can understand the argument to get rid of Reynolds but not to replace him with someone only slightly younger than Shadow.
Old players should only be recruited if we believe it's a likely position and would help us win the comp. Even with Cronk we wouldn't be challenging for the title.