Raiders fury at Kiwi rorts - Wiki lured by 'illegal' offer?

[innsaneink]

Cant wait for the Canberra V Balm... never mind, i guess ill just have to settle for the Raiders V Western Sub... my bad again...

Filthy stinkings cheats.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

:lol: :lol:

You can lock this thread now.

:lol:

 

[DJ1]

Does anyone actually have any links they can include which outline the Raiders breach(es) in the early 90's?

Or are we all just guessing with no real reference point apart from "I remember that well...."?

 

[DJ1]

So to date we have,

Salary cap discrepancies is a Remuera-phrase for the good old Otahuhu word cheating. And as the old saying goes: cheats, in sport and in life, (should) never prosper. I know how it feels from bitter personal experience, when the salary cap-rorting Canberra Raiders beat my Manly side in the 1991 major semifinal and went on to win the premiership and A$1 million ($1.12 million).

They were subsequently found to have exceeded the cap by A$1 million but were fined only A$500,000 and kept the premiership trophy.

The day that happened I can honestly say was one of the few times I have hated the game.

Here

Any others which shed any light on this or conflict for all those rejecting it?

 

[nqboy]

Does anyone actually have any links they can include which outline the Raiders breach(es) in the early 90's?

Or are we all just guessing with no real reference point apart from "I remember that well...."?

We don't want the facts getting in the way of so many good stories.

 

[Philby]

this from graham lowes column in the nz herald
Quote:
I know how it feels from bitter personal experience, when the salary cap-rorting Canberra Raiders beat my Manly side in the 1991 major semifinal and went on to win the premiership and A$1 million ($1.12 million).

Didnt Penrith win in 1991

 

[Misty Bee]

Misty, Every play in the club took a pay cut, to keep Ashley Gilbert for the 1991 season. At the end of the 1991 season, we lost Gaffey, Barnhill and Lazarus as well as other were forced to move on. If you have any information of some house extension at Mal’s place, please enlighten us.

Meeninga got an extention to his house, paid by the club. Enlightened? from memory that's part of how the story broke. The other part was that the club was about to fold, under a $6 million debt when they moved the club from Queanbeyan to Mawson. Investigations into this revealed the breach.

I’m not claiming anything. I was answering your original question;

“Which players suddenly jetted to big rep careers in 1990”

Not to mention Belcher and Clyde who represented Australia a year before and Steve Walters in 1991,

You are, because you hinge your entire 'defence' on the bonus payments to those rep players. Threfore, inept management! Go on, admit it!!!!

Not as lame as you bringing up the Super League War at every opportunity Misty, considering your club benefited from it, 10 fold. Tell me Misty, how did Parramatta go over the salary cap in 1990 with roster that included

Scott Mahon, Brian Jackson, Glen Liddiard, Andrew Leeds, Danny Crnkovich, Andrew Fitzhenry, Mark Laurie, Brett Kenny, Jason Bell, Mark Bugden, Mark Horo, Peter Sterling, Ian Gately, Joe Bartolo, Bill Greentree, Craig Izzard, Peter Johnston, Robert Muchmore, David Woods and Peter Wynn. How could you spend over the salary cap with roster like that Misty?

4 Canterbury players is not a 10 fold benefit. As for Parra's breach - like yours, inept management. Unlike yours, we didn't deny anyone a premiership or a grand final berth.

It is amazing that a club like Manly could conveniently buy two current International front rowers and be under the salary cap and do it all just before the NSWRL implement a player draft.

Why do you keep mentioning Super League Misty? Is it to justify Parramatta taking all those Bulldog and Shark players and why Parramatta had become so unpopular,

I don't keep mentioning Super League, it's just your paranoia coming to the fore. But we are obstensively talking about player payments, and canberra's panic re losing Stuart and Clyde under a salary cap led them, yet again, to explore ways to keep those players by circumventing the cap.

I think you need a Bex and a good lie down.

 

[taxidriver]

face it boys, those raiders titles will be forever tainted.

cheating won them for you, cheating has also taken the gloss off them.

 

[Raider Ultra]

Maybe for you, not for me

 

[nqboy]

Zing!

 

[DJ1]

If there were so many paycuts by everyone for the 1991 season and the Raiders were still over by $1M, how much were they over in 1990?

 

[White Poiner]

So canberra were over the cap in the early 90's?

FFS why didnt i hear about this..

 

[Green Machine]

:lol:


LOL....you pathetic nancy boy.

Do you see any Magpies fans trying to justify it, saying its not as bad as the Dogs or Warriors breaches and therefore its OK?>

No you dont....

Only ball less Raiders fans that cant cop it on the chin.

If you that is the best reply you can come, why reply and make a fool of yourself.
Of course it was not as bad to the Bulldogs and the Warriors breach's.
One more time for the dummies:
1990
$85,853.00 Raiders
$24,200.00 Wests
$39,000.000 Parramatta
$4,000.00 Easts

Bulldogs were how many millions over?
The latest guess on the Warrior is over $500,000?
For Wests to get fined $100,000 in 1992, how much would they have been over?

 

[DJ1]

If you that is the best reply you can come, why reply and make a fool of yourself.
Of course it was not as bad to the Bulldogs and the Warriors breach's.
One more time for the dummies:
1990
$85,853.00 Raiders
$24,200.00 Wests
$39,000.000 Parramatta
$4,000.00 Easts

Bulldogs were how many millions over?
The latest guess on the Warrior is over $500,000?
For Wests to get fined $100,000 in 1992, how much would they have been over?

Source for that?

 

[Green Machine]

Source for that?

True Blue - Ian Heads
Clouds of Dust, Buckets of Blood - Gary Lester

 

[Raider Ultra]

Source for that?

Appears to be tomato.

 

[mattyj]

If you that is the best reply you can come, why reply and make a fool of yourself.
Of course it was not as bad to the Bulldogs and the Warriors breach's.
One more time for the dummies:
1990
$85,853.00 Raiders
$24,200.00 Wests
$39,000.000 Parramatta
$4,000.00 Easts

Bulldogs were how many millions over?
The latest guess on the Warrior is over $500,000?
For Wests to get fined $100,000 in 1992, how much would they have been over?

$85,000 in todays dollars with a p.a inflation rate of 4% is around $160,000

that aint small

 

[Raider_69]

So to date we have,


Here

Any others which shed any light on this or conflict for all those rejecting it?

Lowe is an idiot
as shown in that peice of writing

I know how it feels from bitter personal experience, when the salary cap-rorting Canberra Raiders beat my Manly side in the 1991 major semifinal and went on to win the premiership and A$1 million ($1.12 million).

They were subsequently found to have exceeded the cap by A$1 million but were fined only A$500,000 and kept the premiership trophy.

I hate to be the one to break this to Lowe and all who seem to be engolfed in this sh*te, BUT WE LOST THE 91 GF! Penrith beat us in the GF
So we keep no Trophey, as we didnt f**king win one that year... and that year was the ONLY year we've had major cap issues


And the 1 mil was a potential rort, one that was avoided by releasing several high profile players and most of our squad taking pay cuts... in actual fact we couldnt get it down to a cap level but exceeded it by on 50-100k (reports vary)... a figure simiar to that which clubs exceed every year

 

[innsaneink]

If you that is the best reply you can come, why reply and make a fool of yourself.
Of course it was not as bad to the Bulldogs and the Warriors breach's.
One more time for the dummies:
1990
$85,853.00 Raiders
$24,200.00 Wests
$39,000.000 Parramatta
$4,000.00 Easts

Bulldogs were how many millions over?
The latest guess on the Warrior is over $500,000?
For Wests to get fined $100,000 in 1992, how much would they have been over?

:lol:

Are Wests, Parra and Easts bitching hypocritically about the Warriors being over the cap?

No....only your 2 bob outfit is....squealing like stuck pigs.
Karma....you losers lost Wiki, yet you cheat as well and still couldnt keep him....fkn pathetic really.

Clouds of Dust, Buckets of Blood - Gary Lester

What page?

 

[Green Machine]

Meeninga got an extention to his house, paid by the club. Enlightened? from memory that's part of how the story broke. The other part was that the club was about to fold, under a $6 million debt when they moved the club from Queanbeyan to Mawson. Investigations into this revealed the breach..

So, you don’t have any info on the Mal Meninga house extension?
The club was never going to fold, Misty. The Raiders are back-rolled by the very wealthy Queanbeyan Leagues Club.
The Raiders purchased a pub on the south side of Canberra in Mawson. Misty, it was an additional club. Queanbeyan Leagues is still situated as is was in 1990, at 164 Monaro Street next to the River as it was in 1990. The Raiders accrued debt with the purchase of the Mawson establishment and the upgrade of Bruce Stadium for the 1990 season.

You are, because you hinge your entire 'defence' on the bonus payments to those rep players. Threfore, inept management! Go on, admit it!!!!

My defence is they were $85,853.00 over the cap. The issues with buying an establishment on the South side of Canberra and moving to Bruce Stadium are two different issues. If is was crime to carry a lot of debt, Panthers would have been closed down years ago

4 Canterbury players is not a 10 fold benefit. As for Parra's breach - like yours, inept management. Unlike yours, we didn't deny anyone a premiership or a grand final berth.

So all care taken not to win a premiership? That makes the Parramatta salary cap breach alright. 4 Canterbury international (not club footballers) plus two Cronulla players with one being an international and the other missing because of a terrible illness. That is 6 top quality players, Misty. That just under of 50% of a football team, Misty.

I don't keep mentioning Super League, it's just your paranoia coming to the fore. But we are obstensively talking about player payments, and canberra's panic re losing Stuart and Clyde under a salary cap led them, yet again, to explore ways to keep those players by circumventing the cap.
I think you need a Bex and a good lie down.

I have nothing against Ricky Stuart and Brad Clyde going after top dollar at the end of there careers. I think they went Canterbury in 1999. We had to let plenty go to keep them from 1991-1999. Good luck to them, they deserved it. I only have good memories from their playing days at Canberra.
What you should do Misty, is set yourself up a swear jar, for everytime you mention Super League. You will retire very rich, but it will send you poor in the bargain