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Random Tigers articles from the media

Das Hassler

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More fresh cutting edge insights from "League Legend" Michael Ennis .Wests Tigers -
-Haven't made the finals in 10 years.
-Can't seem to attract players but their young signings are good.
-Don't seem to have an identity.
-(Best for last) Need to change something somewhere to get results!

Legend alone doesn't do him justice...Genius Legend!
 

Das Hassler

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My personal favourite is from a few weeks ago...."Douehi and some other young guys have been really good signings but today there were some really bad decisions made towards the end of the game....when is the board going to be answerable? "
 

stryker

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My personal favourite is from a few weeks ago...."Douehi and some other young guys have been really good signings but today there were some really bad decisions made towards the end of the game....when is the board going to be answerable? "
Hahaha he used to provide the occasional insightful comment but lately it has been dribble like this.
 

simmo05

Bench
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There is Twitter account called "shit braith says" or similar. Check it out, Ennis sounds like Steven Hawkins compared to bwaif
 

Tigerm

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Madge’s big plan could ‘kill’ his Tigers career. The next two weeks are pivotal
Why no one wants to join the Tigers

Three years ago, Michael Maguire arrived at Concord Oval for his first day as head coach of the Wests Tigers with a bold vision.

“It’s a club we want to build,” Maguire said before adding: “I want to build it fast”.

In the Tigers Maguire saw potential – calling the joint-venture a “sleeping giant” and one that was waiting to be transformed into an NRL powerhouse.

Fast-forward to Sunday afternoon and Maguire was left to answer for another failed finals bid, even if he did not want to admit the season was over.

With everything on the line, the Tigers withered in a 50-20 defeat and exposed just how unrealistic the “fast” makeover Maguire advertised was.

Now he is committed to a long-term vision that he even admitted could “kill” him off as Tigers coach.

“I know this approach could kill me as a coach,” Maguire told News Corp in July.

“But I want to set the club up in a way that the Tigers can succeed long term, rather than Band-Aid solutions and quick fixes.”

It is exactly what the Broncos, Bulldogs and Cowboys are doing right now and they occupy the bottom spots on the ladder as a result.

For all three clubs though there is hope for the fanbase, a vision to buy into that justifies current results.

They have also had 18 finals appearances between them in the last decade while the Tigers, as is well-publicised, have none.

It has left the joint-venture in a tough position, desperately chasing a top-eight spot that may only be getting further away the more it focuses on it.

Questions have been asked of Maguire’s future but the real question is whether axing him will only send the club into an even longer rebuild.

WHAT DO THE NEXT TWO WEEKS REPRESENT?

As much as Maguire refused to believe the finals dream was over, a -162 points differential means the Tigers will be relying on a miracle to still be playing in September.

Instead, the focus in the next two weeks has to be on building towards 2022.

The Australian’s Brent Read told Triple M on Monday that could include figuring out whether Luke Brooks and Maguire will stay put.

“I just don’t see how he and Madge can both be there next year,” he said.

“It just doesn’t seem to be clicking and something has to give. The club needs to make some changes.”

Questions will have to be asked of the board, who should be held equally if not more accountable for its role too.

In terms of what Maguire can use the next two weeks to prove, injuries and suspension have limited the amount of players he has to work with.

The next fortnight also offers a chance for Zac Cini, Tom Amone, Michael Chee-Kam and Tom Mikaele to push for contract extensions beyond this year.

Russell Packer, Joey Leilua and James Roberts are all looking for a new deal but highly unlikely to get one.

In the Panthers and Bulldogs, the Tigers finish the season with two games that could not be more different from each other.

A loss to Penrith would leave them with absolutely nothing tangible to play for against the Bulldogs.

It is a game they will be expected to win but one that could just as easily end in defeat and only pose more questions of the playing group’s mentality heading into the off-season.

THE BIG QUESTION MARKS OVER THE ROSTER

The Tigers already have enough questions heading into the off-season, the biggest of which is what to do with halfback Brooks.

Maguire worked wonders with premiership-winning halves Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds during his time at South Sydney.

Naturally, his hope was that by better understanding Brooks he too could get the most out of the 2018 Dally M Halfback of the Year.

In that season though Brooks was primarily playing alongside Benji Marshall in the halves, who could shoulder more of the responsibility to organise and steer the team around.

It eased the pressure on Brooks but the issue for him now is that Adam Doueihi is not that same foil, with a running game his greatest strength.

After nine years, it may end up being in both the Tigers and Brooks’ best interests to move on.

The only problem with that approach is that the club would have to first know whether Jackson Hastings is the halfback they need or better suited at lock forward.

Otherwise, with the lack of quality options on the market right now, they may be better waiting until the end of next season to look for replacements.

The other glaring issue is the lack of genuine leader that was lacking in the capitulation against Cronulla.

It is not as simple as going after experience though, sometimes it can be better to build that experience over time in players you develop.

Look at the Tigers players with 100-plus NRL games - Moses Mbye, David Nofoaluma, Ken Maumalo, Luke Brooks, James Tamou, Joe Ofahengaue, James Roberts, Joey Leilua and Russell Packer.

Just two - Nofoaluma and Brooks - made their debuts at the club while a lot of those names are underperforming at the moment.

Rather than getting the most out of their experienced players, it is young and developing talent leading the way at the Tigers.

Maguire has a long-term vision for the club and part of that should be building experience from within.

Those younger players to drive that change can announce themselves in the next fortnight.

‘DON’T KNOW WHO THEY ARE’: TIGERS’ BIG RECRUITMENT DILEMMA

Of course, even if the Tigers do go to the market it remains to be seen whether they will be able to land that high-profile name that continues to elude them.

The Broncos (Adam Reynolds and Kurt Capewell) and Bulldogs (Josh Addo-Carr, Matt Burton and Tevita Pangai Jr) have identified weaknesses in their squads and spent big to address it.

Maguire told Triple M last week the club has taken a “long-term view” on its recruitment, refusing to blow the salary cap by paying overs.

He did admit that the club will eventually go to the market for a “strong marquee player” but only when the time is right

It is a fair point but the Tigers also need to get a better grasp of what exactly they will be selling when that time comes.

“They cannot attract big names and they need to found out why,” Fox League’s Michael Ennis said on Saturday night.

“They don’t know who they are. You never turn up and have a Wests Tigers side that has an identity – it changes so frequently.”

Maguire seems to have an idea of what that identity could look like, building around a core group of emerging talent.

Shawn Blore, Daine Laurie, Stefano Utoikamanu, Kelma Tuilagi, Tommy Talau, Tuki Simpkins and Adam Doueihi were the seven players Maguire mentioned last week.

That though will take time as will Maguire’s focus on “youth and young development players”, with the Covid-19 pandemic presenting an extra challenge to that vision.

WHY KEEPING YOUNG TALENT IS EVEN MORE CHALLENGING

Prior to the lockdown, the Western Suburbs Magpies sat in second place while the Tigers Jersey Flegg side was undefeated.

The key to sustaining a healthy salary cap is to have a flourishing junior development program with young players performing above their pay packet and staying for less.

While so much has been made of established NRL stars turning the Tigers down, there equally needs to be an emphasis on identifying emerging talent to keep away from rival clubs.

Israel Ogden and Etuale Junior Lui Toeava are two of those promising prospects.

The pair’s manager, Dixon McIver, said Maguire has personally told him last week he would like to keep both but a move to Queensland could also be on the cards.

“Madge’s words to me were: ‘We have put a lot of work into those boys and we would like to see that come to fruition’ but it comes down to them being in the right place to do that too,” he told foxsports.com.au.

He said Maguire “cares a lot about grassroots players” but the constant movement of the NRL squad due to the coronavirus pandemic has not helped him “keep his fingers on the pulse”.

Uncertainty surrounding the NSW Cup and junior grades have left McIver exploring the possibility of opportunities in Queensland for the duo.

“We would rather they be somewhere where they are on the dance floor and can be seen more as opposed to sitting twiddling their thumbs,” he added.

“We will definitely be looking at Queensland because they just seem to have their finger on the pulse up there.”

While nothing seems to be changing at Concord, there is one “ray of light” that signals a brighter future at the club.

THE ‘RAY OF LIGHT’ TO BOLSTER MADGE’S CASE

The hope for Tigers fans is that the arrival of Tim Sheens and Brett Kimmorley will help shape junior development in these challenging times.

Meanwhile, Fox League’s James Hooper described Sheens’ appointment as the “one ray of light” in another otherwise dismal season.

“To the point earlier about falling asleep at the wheel in some junior catchment areas, that is Tim Sheens’ forte, that is where he can really excel,” he said on Triple M on Sunday.

“He understands how to set that up, how to get it humming.”

All of which points towards a clear end goal for the Tigers - one that both gives fans hopes and hesitancy to embrace given a lack of consistent results in the past decade.

As much as the next fortnight may look like a write-off, it will be anything but.

Maguire is under just as much pressure as the playing group, with some fighting for new contracts and others answering the leadership challenge set after the Cronulla defeat.

The Tigers’ performance against a struggling Bulldogs side will be the most telling of how far away Maguire’s rebuild is from a finished product.
 

stryker

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This article is just fluff and has been presented in several incarnations over the past 10 years. I’m sure we read something very similar at the beginning of both Taylor’s and Cleary’s tenures.
Absolutely nothing new here.
 

Ned Kelly

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There was a really disturbing article in the Telecrap yesterday titled "Tiger Trio Safe" The trio being Brooks, Pascoe and Maguire. Just to really excite Tigers fans it went an to say that as far as Lee Hagipantelis was concerned Hartigan would also be staying. Our chairman believes "we have the core group necessary to grow this club."
So all is well in Tiger Town. Everything people say about us or how we see the club apparently is a misconception.
NURSE, COME QUICKLY...I NEED MORE PILLS!
 

Shredder

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Well Ron I suspect after all these years the gym needs to be reorganized again, so yeah, why not bring Royce back for his specialty?
 

stryker

First Grade
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There was a really disturbing article in the Telecrap yesterday titled "Tiger Trio Safe" The trio being Brooks, Pascoe and Maguire. Just to really excite Tigers fans it went an to say that as far as Lee Hagipantelis was concerned Hartigan would also be staying. Our chairman believes "we have the core group necessary to grow this club."
So all is well in Tiger Town. Everything people say about us or how we see the club apparently is a misconception.
NURSE, COME QUICKLY...I NEED MORE PILLS!
I think the trio, Hartigan and that cape wearing soft cock fool should all leave.
 

Ned Kelly

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Apparently everything is good. No need to do anything.
Business as usual will bring us the success we deserve.
 

WA Tiger

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There was a really disturbing article in the Telecrap yesterday titled "Tiger Trio Safe" The trio being Brooks, Pascoe and Maguire. Just to really excite Tigers fans it went an to say that as far as Lee Hagipantelis was concerned Hartigan would also be staying. Our chairman believes "we have the core group necessary to grow this club."
So all is well in Tiger Town. Everything people say about us or how we see the club apparently is a misconception.
NURSE, COME QUICKLY...I NEED MORE PILLS!
Tiger town must be selling well. Who needs wins…Maybe another series next year as well?

WT is in the middle of the Perfect storm isn’t it…Every fkn decision maker from the top has got it wrong and nothing is changing.
It’s like finding a sustainable life on Mars. It’s a joke from the outside but who cares from the inside. Now they are flying another couple up - Sheens and Kimorley, but the core decision maker/s will be still smelling up the place

One thing is for sure.The dialogue coming out of the club considering the circumstances in it is unprecedented in the history of the game. And there is only one common denominator amoungst it ALL since the start of the true shitstorm….Pascoe the hippie.
 
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Tigerm

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A Malcolm Knox article in SMH about salary cap and how entrenched the inequalities of the NRL are (and why no one wants to change this).

The more agitated people are, the less the fundamentals change. When everyone seems angry, the underlying order – who’s on top, who’s underneath – entrenches itself. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose. It was a Frenchman, Alphonse Karr, who coined the phrase in 1862, and, rugby league being to us what philosophy is to the French, it’s true of the NRL in 2021.

The more the game enters uncharted new bubbles, the more deeply it reinforces the status quo. The 2021 season is about to end with virtually the same top, middle and bottom groupings as last year. And, with some small variations, the year before, and the year before that. Fourteen of the 16 NRL clubs are stuck in Groundhog Year.

In the modern game, every gut feeling has to stand up to statistical analysis. Is it actually true?

The NRL is clearly segmented into three divisions, which were quite predictable from the outset given the uneven spread of talent. Some clubs can afford to play representative stars off the bench, in positions where other clubs select reserve-graders. Whether the better clubs have poached or developed their talent matters little; the roster differences are vast. The top six at the outset of 2021 were Melbourne, Penrith, the Roosters, Parramatta, South Sydney and Canberra. The bottom five were Canterbury, Brisbane, North Queensland, Manly and the Wests Tigers. The inconsistent swill bogged in the middle were Newcastle, St George Illawarra, Cronulla, the Gold Coast and the Warriors.

What’s the point?
What’s the point?CREDIT:SIMON LETCH
There have been just two divisional changes this season: Manly (assuming Tom Trbojevic is playing) have risen from third division to first, while Canberra have slipped from first to second. Trbojevic has saved not only the Sea Eagles; he has saved the entire league from the embarrassment of a top-to-bottom repeat set.

For a lockdown project, I broke down the 172 matches played up to this weekend’s round into divisional contests. Forty-eight matches were within the divisions. Of the remaining 124 matches, 91 ran completely as predicted: three in four matches were won by the team in the higher division. Of the 33 that went against the flow, nine featured Trbojevic. Take him out, and five out of six NRL games produced the same result they would have produced in the previous two years.

The Origin period should upset this kind of runaway apple cart. To a degree, it did, with the Tigers beating the Origin-gutted Panthers. But even during that mid-year flux, of 29 matches played between teams from different divisions, 20 were won by this year’s (ie, last year’s, and the year before’s) higher team.

Who’s saved the NRL from complete predictability in 2021? Tom Trbojevic says hi.
Who’s saved the NRL from complete predictability in 2021? Tom Trbojevic says hi.CREDIT:GETTY
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Such results might be just what you’d expect at the top and bottom, but they are similarly repetitive for the water-treading middle teams. The Knights, the Sharks, the Warriors, the Titans and the Dragons are all having virtually the same season they had last year and the year before. Their fans must be dying from déjà vu all over again.

Why should this be worthy of commentary? The strong dominate the weak, duh. Better clubs win more matches. Isn’t this the way of the world, the entrenched interests using a crisis to dig themselves in?

Rugby league is meant to have a salary cap that stops this being the way of the NRL world. The salary cap, aside from saving clubs from spending themselves into insolvency, is supposed to offer the game’s supporters a version of hope: a competition that constantly recirculates its winners and losers, generating new leaders, a game in which everybody can start the season feeling they have a chance. Otherwise, you get the dreaded social Darwinism of the European football leagues.

Juventus won nine Serie A titles in a row before their run was ended by Inter Milan last season.
Juventus won nine Serie A titles in a row before their run was ended by Inter Milan last season.CREDIT:AP
The evidence is clear, to everyone except the governing body, that the salary cap is a failed model. When Canterbury or Brisbane or the Tigers have to pay second-rate spine players first-rate money to convince them to serve under their coaches, while clubs led by Craig Bellamy or Trent Robinson or Ivan Cleary can get away with securing quality individuals for “unders” - a beautiful euphemism for market manipulation - then the economic measurement of player value is no longer valid. Lower clubs overspend out of desperation and, to confirm the injustice, those clubs are usually the ones who get caught breaching their salary cap. For what, their fans ask – for those players?

The NRL has proposed a salary cap review, but its stomach to take on vested interests has been weakened by the challenges of COVID. Never waste a crisis, say those in prime position. The ruling junta are pretty happy to leave things the way they are, and if the Roosters hadn’t suffered the misfortune of an injury crisis, they would be even happier.

I feel like I’ve made this argument before (plus c’est la meme chose). Plenty of other frustrated observers have. Measuring rugby league players by what they are paid might have been valid if the difference was between a $60,000 contract and a $150,000 one. But in a world where they are certainly happier to take $500,000 and a premiership than $700,000 and a wooden spoon, the rugby league salary is not only an obsolete way to assess value, it’s a sure formula for prolonging the existing order. Alternatives are available – fantasy competitions use non-financial values every week – but few in the NRL are interested in developing them. Why upset the old men’s way of doing business when it is those old men who speak in support of every NRL decision? You scratch my back …

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Perhaps the NRL has faith that we will be distracted by the dazzle. Every week, the game produces such astonishing acts of talent that even a lot of the blowouts can entertain for the virtuosity on display. Ten times a week, you will see tries scored which, if, say, the Wallabies did something like that once a year, it would be preserved and paraded like the shroud of Turin. That’s how superior the NRL is right now in terms of skill.

The only thing is, when the excitement wears off, the end result is too often the same as it was. Next year, when fans have more choices over how to spend their leisure time, they will decide how long they can keep on taking it.
 

stryker

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It’s a great article and very accurate.
I also can’t see the status quo changing.
If I was a player I would accept $50-75k less a year to be at the premier clubs where I would press for a GF and fame each year.
The financial hit sorts itself out as you are more likely to play rep footy ($), sign big endorsements ($) and when you sign your last contract, be it here or overseas, you are now worth more than you should be just by association to that club and it’s success.
The money will keep rolling in after you retire as you have way more football experiences than those in the bottom teams and therefore opportunities for coaching, consultancy, commentary and executive function hosting open up - not to mention commercial advertising/endorsement and book writing.
The good clubs get the best players because they set you up for life by providing ongoing opportunities - excluding brown paper bags, which is old hat and unecessary.
 

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