Rate Gareth Widdop

[BrissyRedV]

If you don't think its Wade Graham that's fine, who would you like to see as 5/8?

Don't get me wrong, Graham is a good ball playing backrower, not a 5/8 anymore than JDB is.

I think we have an answer internally available. I'd like to see Kurt Mann given a shot in halves be it in place of McCrone or in the 2nds. Field may be a choice but is a risk due to experience. Hutchison is the forgotten man but is dependant on how he comes back from injury and may be a good foil for Hunt. Widdop dependant on price should not be written off as an option as well.

Externally realistically available price wise, Ata Hingano is a good young player who could play second fiddle but is still largely inexperienced. I would have loved to see us have a crack at Connor Watson who is quality.

As for the others mentioned like Bird, Foran et al, I don't think we have the salary cap available to attract them along with the coach as well.

 

[BrissyRedV]

Anyone know when Glenn01 will be out of respite care?
Obviously Widdop's good form has taken its toll on him and he is either resting up and looking for a way to get back to his vitriolic best or he's trying to find a less obvious way of creating a new identity.
Widdop's form to Glenn01 must be like garlic bulbs to Dracula a wonderful repellant.

Having issues coming up with another alias.

 

[possm]

Don't get me wrong, Graham is a good ball playing backrower, not a 5/8 anymore than JDB is.

I think we have an answer internally available. I'd like to see Kurt Mann given a shot in halves be it in place of McCrone or in the 2nds. Field may be a choice but is a risk due to experience. Hutchison is the forgotten man but is dependant on how he comes back from injury and may be a good foil for Hunt. Widdop dependant on price should not be written off as an option as well.

Externally realistically available price wise, Ata Hingano is a good young player who could play second fiddle but is still largely inexperienced. I would have loved to see us have a crack at Connor Watson who is quality.

As for the others mentioned like Bird, Foran et al, I don't think we have the salary cap available to attract them along with the coach as well.

Widdop + Lafai = enough salary cap.

 

[Capital]

Don't get me wrong, Graham is a good ball playing backrower, not a 5/8 anymore than JDB is.

I think we have an answer internally available. I'd like to see Kurt Mann given a shot in halves be it in place of McCrone or in the 2nds. Field may be a choice but is a risk due to experience. Hutchison is the forgotten man but is dependant on how he comes back from injury and may be a good foil for Hunt. Widdop dependant on price should not be written off as an option as well.

Externally realistically available price wise, Ata Hingano is a good young player who could play second fiddle but is still largely inexperienced. I would have loved to see us have a crack at Connor Watson who is quality.

As for the others mentioned like Bird, Foran et al, I don't think we have the salary cap available to attract them along with the coach as well.

According to someone who should know but probably shouldn't be talking about it while drinking beer at the Local, the club has high hopes in Field but Widdop is on the outer. He hasn't gotten an offer. Last game Widdop's stats were:
Runs: 5, Metres run: 22, Tries: 0, Try assists: 0, Off loads: 1, Tackles: 17, Missed tackles: 6, Line breaks: 0, Line break assists: 0, Errors: 2
This is piss poor by any standard and it hasn't gone unnoticed by people who matter in the club. Not sure if this means the drunken coach and/or Mark Coyne and/or someone else.

If Field doesn't work out they are confident Hutchinson will fill the void but I like the idea of recruiting Ata Hingano or Connor Watson. I presume the problem is that if Field does come along like they expect, recruiting either of those 2 who won't come cheap will be a massive waste of the salary cap.

 

[Carlton]

Don't get me wrong, Graham is a good ball playing backrower, not a 5/8 anymore than JDB is.

I think we have an answer internally available. I'd like to see Kurt Mann given a shot in halves be it in place of McCrone or in the 2nds. Field may be a choice but is a risk due to experience. Hutchison is the forgotten man but is dependant on how he comes back from injury and may be a good foil for Hunt. Widdop dependant on price should not be written off as an option as well.

Externally realistically available price wise, Ata Hingano is a good young player who could play second fiddle but is still largely inexperienced. I would have loved to see us have a crack at Connor Watson who is quality.

As for the others mentioned like Bird, Foran et al, I don't think we have the salary cap available to attract them along with the coach as well.

I want to see Mann given a go this year as 5/8 and I was thinking about Hutchison and where/if he could be the answer. Widdop has put in more than usual in the last three games but I am still not a fan, he does not take control enough and manage the game.

I think Hingano, Peachey and Watson are all really good possibilities.

 

[Carlton]

According to someone who should know but probably shouldn't be talking about it while drinking beer at the Local, the club has high hopes in Field but Widdop is on the outer. He hasn't gotten an offer. Last game Widdop's stats were:
Runs: 5, Metres run: 22, Tries: 0, Try assists: 0, Off loads: 1, Tackles: 17, Missed tackles: 6, Line breaks: 0, Line break assists: 0, Errors: 2
This is piss poor by any standard and it hasn't gone unnoticed by people who matter in the club. Not sure if this means the drunken coach and/or Mark Coyne and/or someone else.

If Field doesn't work out they are confident Hutchinson will fill the void but I like the idea of recruiting Ata Hingano or Connor Watson. I presume the problem is that if Field does come along like they expect, recruiting either of those 2 who won't come cheap will be a massive waste of the salary cap.

I think Field is a great talent but my concerns are he is a one trick pony at this stage, dummy, step and run. He needs to show he can manage the game and take control and choose good endings for the set.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Anyone know when Glenn01 will be out of respite care?
Obviously Widdop's good form has taken its toll on him and he is either resting up and looking for a way to get back to his vitriolic best or he's trying to find a less obvious way of creating a new identity.
Widdop's form to Glenn01 must be like garlic bulbs to Dracula a wonderful repellant.

I'd hazard a guess that he's still trying to work out the difference between 'medicinal' and 'non medicinal'.

This may take the poor chap a while.

 

[ALSGI]

I think Field is a great talent but my concerns are he is a one trick pony at this stage, dummy, step and run. He needs to show he can manage the game and take control and choose good endings for the set.

He can't show anything with 15mins game time so far.

 

[Carlton]

He can't show anything with 15mins game time so far.

Yeah, that's right and that's what I was saying in a not so clear way. At the moment I have concerns because I have haven't seen him directing the team only trying to run the ball and that's because he hasn't had the game time to do much else.

For me at this stage the jury is still out on whether he can game manage and before I put too much faith in him I would like to see this. Mary should give Mann and Field time to show what they can do, but he probably wont.

 

[BennyV]

I think Field is a great talent but my concerns are he is a one trick pony at this stage, dummy, step and run. He needs to show he can manage the game and take control and choose good endings for the set.

THANK YOU!!!

I like Field, I think there's potential for a huge future and he could compliment Hunt well, and I hope he comes on and fulfill this potential, but all those people thinking/saying that he will spark the attack or 'give him the ball in space and let him do the rest' are on a different planet (and yes, that comment was actually made!).

His show-and-go (usually complimented with a skip to the outside of his opposite number) won't work nearly as much in first grade as it did in the 9s and NYC. Souths already showed that they were onto it in the Charity Shield. Couple that with being targeted in defence and he's got a fair way to go, and sitting on the bench for 70mins in first grade isn't helping him (nor is the lack of any basic skills coaching from our clueless mob).

He needs to add a couple of strings to his bow before he steps up. Make sure he knows how to pick his passes, when/how to kick both long and short and so on.

He should be racking up full games in NSW Cup and developing under a coach with half a brain (not that we have any of those).

Mann is the one who should be looked at carefully for the 6 jersey next year. He's shown evidence of all the required skills of a first grade 5/8, just needs a chance to showcase some consistency.

 

[BrissyRedV]

Widdop + Lafai = enough salary cap.

It is not that simple. For starters, we have spent big on Hunt. At this stage on 1/7th of the salary cap until it is known if the salary cap will increase next year.

Secondly, Widdop is on a reported 550k and Lafai roughly 400k. Lafais position in the 30 man squad which is what will be covered by the 1st tier salary cap next year, will still need to be filled by a player on a min wage of 100k. So effectively, we could potentially offer 850k to guys who have some have received offers already greater than that. We also have a coach at this point in time that it is taking overs to recruit talent.

Thirdly, we have also re-signed a number of promising juniors which will have all been elevated to the top tier salary cap. We also have a number of other players who are off contract that need to be looked at as well.

 

[BrissyRedV]

Runs: 5, Metres run: 22, Tries: 0, Try assists: 0, Off loads: 1, Tackles: 17, Missed tackles: 6, Line breaks: 0, Line break assists: 0, Errors: 2

Rumours are rumours. I don't believe anything until it is confirmed by the club but nonetheless, thanks for the heads up. As for the stats, looking at them in isolation shows nothing and does not show the way he put his body on the line against much bigger opposition last game and how often he was the guy backing up or waiting for an offload. If we look at Thurstons stats in isolation from last game they were:
Runs 12 Run Metres 88 tries 0 try assists 0 offloads 0 tackles 13 missed 3 errors 1
And Maloneys:
Runs 8 Run Metres 72 Line breaks 0 Tries 0 Try assist 0 tackles 13 missed 7 errors 0
Admittedly yes, he needs to touch the ball more whilst we have McCrone at halfback. But this would not need to be the case

I want to see Mann given a go this year as 5/8 and I was thinking about Hutchison and where/if he could be the answer. Widdop has put in more than usual in the last three games but I am still not a fan, he does not take control enough and manage the game.

I think Hingano, Peachey and Watson are all really good possibilities.

 

[ALSGI]

THANK YOU!!!

I like Field, I think there's potential for a huge future and he could compliment Hunt well, and I hope he comes on and fulfill this potential, but all those people thinking/saying that he will spark the attack or 'give him the ball in space and let him do the rest' are on a different planet (and yes, that comment was actually made!).

His show-and-go (usually complimented with a skip to the outside of his opposite number) won't work nearly as much in first grade as it did in the 9s and NYC. Souths already showed that they were onto it in the Charity Shield. Couple that with being targeted in defence and he's got a fair way to go, and sitting on the bench for 70mins in first grade isn't helping him (nor is the lack of any basic skills coaching from our clueless mob).

He needs to add a couple of strings to his bow before he steps up. Make sure he knows how to pick his passes, when/how to kick both long and short and so on.

He should be racking up full games in NSW Cup and developing under a coach with half a brain (not that we have any of those).

Mann is the one who should be looked at carefully for the 6 jersey next year. He's shown evidence of all the required skills of a first grade 5/8, just needs a chance to showcase some consistency.

BennyV
Nothing wrong with anything you've said in fact you're spot on.

There I said it, you were right.

I'm still in the give him a crack now camp, however now more inclined towards giving him time to 'add a few strings to his bow'. Most of the chuck him (and Dufty) in now camp comments were made on the back of desperate frustration from last year, and some brilliance shown in 9's. Nobody suggested he was a complete first grader. Most thoughts were towards giving us some desperately needed points, as our halves and backs were so bad last year along with an ineffective forward pack.

Who saw us being the equal 3rd highest point scorers after round 3? Imo Aitken, Lafai, Nighty and even McCrone don't deserve to be dropped on current form.

I said in the Warriors thread this morning that on current form, Milne, Leilua, Field, Dufty will have to earn their spots or wait for injuries and form slump.

I think Mann has to be given a chance at 7 now, rotated with McCrone.

I'd still like to see Field rotated in the 7, but we don't appear to be that desperate anymore, and at this stage he would definately benefit from playing time either in FG or for Illawarra.

One more time, you have been proven right, so far but it's early days. Field has played 15m I think in 3 rounds, so no strings being added to his bow just yet.

 

[blacksafake]

THANK YOU!!!

I like Field, I think there's potential for a huge future and he could compliment Hunt well, and I hope he comes on and fulfill this potential, but all those people thinking/saying that he will spark the attack or 'give him the ball in space and let him do the rest' are on a different planet (and yes, that comment was actually made!).

His show-and-go (usually complimented with a skip to the outside of his opposite number) won't work nearly as much in first grade as it did in the 9s and NYC. Souths already showed that they were onto it in the Charity Shield. Couple that with being targeted in defence and he's got a fair way to go, and sitting on the bench for 70mins in first grade isn't helping him (nor is the lack of any basic skills coaching from our clueless mob).

He needs to add a couple of strings to his bow before he steps up. Make sure he knows how to pick his passes, when/how to kick both long and short and so on.

He should be racking up full games in NSW Cup and developing under a coach with half a brain (not that we have any of those).

Mann is the one who should be looked at carefully for the 6 jersey next year. He's shown evidence of all the required skills of a first grade 5/8, just needs a chance to showcase some consistency.

Exactly but the clowns running the place can't be relied upon to do whats needed for the benefit of the players & club.

 

[Capital]

Rumours are rumours. I don't believe anything until it is confirmed by the club but nonetheless, thanks for the heads up. As for the stats, looking at them in isolation shows nothing and does not show the way he put his body on the line against much bigger opposition last game and how often he was the guy backing up or waiting for an offload. If we look at Thurstons stats in isolation from last game they were:
Runs 12 Run Metres 88 tries 0 try assists 0 offloads 0 tackles 13 missed 3 errors 1
And Maloneys:
Runs 8 Run Metres 72 Line breaks 0 Tries 0 Try assist 0 tackles 13 missed 7 errors 0
Admittedly yes, he needs to touch the ball more whilst we have McCrone at halfback. But this would not need to be the case

Thurstons stats look a hell of a lot better and Malony's at least no worse but it doesn't matter. Those 2 have the runs on the board and Widdop doesn't.

 

[possm]

Mann and Field are not halfbacks, they are both running five-eighths and I say both of these players should be given a go in the 6 position - Mann first and Field later. Widdop has recently played halfback in the world cup and so moving to 7 while Mann and Field are being assessed should not be a big ask. Don't know how well Widdop will do at halfback but if it doesn't work out then move him back to 6.

I have the feeling that Mann is not in the Club's future plans and Millward has gone on record saying he sees Field initially as a fullback. So if we are to take this into consideration, we can assume Field will ply is trade in reserve grade this season and Mann will only fill in at halfback if McCrone is injured.

 

[Capital]

Mann and Field are not halfbacks, they are both running five-eighths and I say both of these players should be given a go in the 6 position - Mann first and Field later. Widdop has recently played halfback in the world cup and so moving to 7 while Mann and Field are being assessed should not be a big ask. Don't know how well Widdop will do at halfback but if it doesn't work out then move him back to 6.

I have the feeling that Mann is not in the Club's future plans and Millward has gone on record saying he sees Field initially as a fullback. So if we are to take this into consideration, we can assume Field will ply is trade in reserve grade this season and Mann will only fill in at halfback if McCrone is injured.

What if Mann or Field go well at 5/8 but Widdop goes poorly at 7?

 

[possm]

What if Mann or Field go well at 5/8 but Widdop goes poorly at 7?

I'm advocating for Mann and Field to be assessed in for the position of five-eighth - Hunt's partner in 2018. We already know Widdops capability at five-eighth.

 

[BringTheNoise]

I'm advocating for Mann and Field to be assessed in for the position of five-eighth - Hunt's partner in 2018. We already know Widdops capability at five-eighth.

What do you think our spine will look like if we sign Jack Bird?

 

[Old Timer]

Thurstons stats look a hell of a lot better and Malony's at least no worse but it doesn't matter. Those 2 have the runs on the board and Widdop doesn't.

Look at Keary's stats last game and he is leading the Dally M and got 3 points for a poor effort where he only got 18 points in supercoach.
Widdop is going immeasurably better this year as is evidenced by his goal kicking as well, so don't get hung up on the last game stats.
Mc Crone got way to much ball last game and that had a negative effect lets see what the coach's plan is this game.