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Rd 21 vs Warriors

BxTom

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Mansour has been coming inside his centre all year leaving his wing position open. As great a player as he is in other respects, you may as well have a neon sign saying place the ball here.


Tom.
 

betcats

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Why are we even talking about him rushing in? That is not what happened at all. When is the last try we conceded where Mansour rushes inside his centre?? There is no doubt he has a tendency to rush in but he is much improved in that regard this season.
 

franklin2323

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Why are we even talking about him rushing in? That is not what happened at all. When is the last try we conceded where Mansour rushes inside his centre?? There is no doubt he has a tendency to rush in but he is much improved in that regard this season.

Take your Mansour blinkers off he does it atleast twice a game. if he makes the tackle great. When he doesn't it looks very bad. I will take note of the exact minute he does it this week for you
 

betcats

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Of course he does it I just said that, he would be coached to do it 100 percent. The best way to shut down an overlap out wide is for the winger or centre to rush in and stop the ball and our shoddy middle defence leads to a lot of overlaps. If it is happening so often find me the last time he rushed in past his centre that led to a try. Earlier in his career he had no idea when to rush so just always did it, he is much better at reading the play now though no winger gets that call right all the time.

He didn't get anywhere near inside Peachey on the try you are trying to blame him for so what are you on about? You are just making this up as you go mate, im still waiting for you to explain when man to man marking became a part of rugby league:rolleyes:
 

franklin2323

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Of course he does it I just said that, he would be coached to do it 100 percent. The best way to shut down an overlap out wide is for the winger or centre to rush in and stop the ball and our shoddy middle defence leads to a lot of overlaps. If it is happening so often find me the last time he rushed in past his centre that led to a try. Earlier in his career he had no idea when to rush so just always did it, he is much better at reading the play now though no winger gets that call right all the time.

He didn't get anywhere near inside Peachey on the try you are trying to blame him for so what are you on about? You are just making this up as you go mate, im still waiting for you to explain when man to man marking became a part of rugby league:rolleyes:

So Mansour has never come in off his wing? I'd suggest you get glasses then

Knock yourself out. This is the coaching book most coaches get or used to

https://books.google.com.au/books?i...OAhUM5WMKHeyOCcAQ6AEIRjAH#v=onepage&q&f=false

attached is the main part
 

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betcats

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The part you have highlighted says "Specialist players they must stay in their position unless called upon in attack or defence stitution" How does that equate to a winger should stay on his man no matter what is happening inside him? Lol you are clutching at straws. You literally googled "man on man defence in rugby league" and that line is the best you can find? haha

And Ive said more than once Mansour does rush in are you on drugs merkin?
 

betcats

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http://www.nrl.com/talking-tactics-shutting-down-the-edge/tabid/10874/newsid/72326/default.aspx

It’s a given in rugby league that defence wins games – the opposition can’t win if they can’t score!

A couple of weeks ago I wrote about how most NRL teams use a second-man sweep play behind a lead runner to try to catch out and penetrate well- structured defensive lines. This creates try-scoring opportunities.

So how do teams defend these plays when they have the likes of Billy Slater Greg Inglis and Jarryd Hayne opposing them, sweeping around at pace to create the extra man.

Defending on the outside edges at wing and centre can be very challenging. It’s tough out there – especially when players of that calibre are coming at you, with support.

Edge defenders need to be flexible and proactive in their movements and be prepared to respond to just about anything. The location can be very lonely and often disaster awaits you should you make the wrong call.

All these decisions have to be made in a split second. There is no time to debate your options. It is instinctive, from many hours of practice at training – however, under pressure it only takes one player not working on the same page as his teammates for the structure to break down.

Under pressure even the best players panic and can make the wrong decisions.

There are a few key areas that defending teams can concentrate on to give themselves a chance of stopping attacking players steaming through on the edges.

The secret to any good defence is for your defenders to be sticking to the team’s defensive principles and working together – i.e., doing the same things.

Anytime you’re talking about defensive structures on the edge, more often than not it depends on what support you get from the men on the inside – often your tight forwards. Those middle men have their work cut out.


The markers initiate the speed of the game and have the power to remove all momentum that the attacking side has built. The markers’ first priorities are to engage the hooker – to either shut him down or limit his options at the defensive line.

The ‘A’ defender controls the speed of the line and it is his aim to get forward as quick as he can, limiting progress over the advantage line while still keeping an eye on the first receiver and in touch with his markers. Once the hooker has released the ball, his focus instantly shifts to zero in on the first receiver, accompanied by the ‘B’ defender.

No defending team can afford playmakers like Johnathan Thurston, Cooper Cronk, Mitchell Pearce, Todd Carney or Daly Cherry-Evans the luxury of going to the line with support. It is most important for the inside defenders to pressure the first receiver and work from the inside out. The last thing a defending team needs is to allow the likes of Thurston – one of the game’s smartest ball players – room to move and time to think.

Working from the inside out is crucial in any good defensive structure; every edge defender is trying to get their inside teammates to force the playmakers to play earlier than they intend to. The earlier the inside defenders force the playmakers into a decision, the easier it is for the edge defenders to summarise and commit to what’s coming at them.

It’s extremely tough to defend the whole field. So when attacking teams are in the middle of the field, the defensive team should have two markers and five defenders on each side of the play-the-ball and a fullback directing his defensive line.

Plenty of teams use the saying ‘shut the gate’. It’s a term used to get their middle defenders to move up and slide with the play, keeping a uniform line and not dropping off too early, ensuring they are ready to collar a runner on an inside line.

The smart halfbacks are looking for the advantage, like a quick play-the-ball when the line is not set or when there are only four defenders on one side of the field. The defensive team then has to make a decision: Do they rush forward and ‘wedge in’, trying to shut down the attack? Or do they wait and hold, and wait for the inside defenders to come and help, perhaps giving up 10 or 15 metres before stopping this attacking play?

All clubs will have different theories as to when the third man in the line can leave the lead runner and drift onto the fullback, but most would want that defender to check the lead runner first. The third man in is usually a half – he determines what the outside two defenders do.

However, late sudden movements in any defensive structure can cause problems for their outside teammates.

It may not look too different, but all teams have their own defensive structures. Manly and Melbourne both tend to ‘wedge in’ when under pressure on the edges, while other teams such as the Cowboys and St George Illawarra tend to not engage the attack and instead herd the opposition towards the sideline.

Teams like Manly have very competent edge defensive structures simply because they have two very experienced centres in Jamie Lyon and Steve Matai. The pair are calm when it comes to making the right decisions on the edges. Also, they have two competent halves who are not afraid to put their bodies in front of charging back-row forwards, and are switched-on enough to check the attacker before committing to a decision if they feel the ball player is going out the back to a sweep runner.

This foresight is one of the reasons these team have displayed among the best defensive records for a number of seasons now.

So while many teams have different defensive structures, all display the same key principles. They are: move up fast; stay on your defender’s inside shoulder; communicate and nominate your attacker; don’t go past the ball; and ‘shut the gate’.

Tackling is the individual’s responsibility. Defence? That is the team’s responsibility.
 
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betcats

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An entire article on NRL edge defence written by an NRL assistant coach and not once has it mentioned man to man marking or marking at all. But it does talk about working together and doing the same things, lol but yeah I guess Mansour should of just stayed out on his wing and watched Johnson or the centre score, that would of been much better all round.
 

Kilkenny

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I don't see the point of singling out a defensive read when our loss was more about poor handling at crucial times or in attacking positions.
 
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