Ref Watch 2014 (aka the Skeepe Thread)

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Not quite as good as they were in '89.

Better than Canberra's accountants, that's for sure.

 

[carcharias]

Refs only have an option to bin if a try was not scored. They rule on what the greatest advantage is. A try vs 12 men? You'll take the try every day.

In relation to discipline, the only option that the ref has (protocol wise) is a send off, which was not worthy in this case.

Correct call by Cummins

Still a shit call.
Blatant professional foul.
Not to mention a pretty bad dog act.

 

[Card Shark]

Still a shit call.
Blatant professional foul.
Not to mention a pretty bad dog act.

They need to stamp out professional fouls.

He should've been binned irrespective of the outcome.

 

[RufusRex]

Give us our shoulder charge back

 

[Timmah]

I think you mean wait until 8:01 Saturday night when the first of this year's 999999999999 bad calls against the Raiders occurs

*9:01 NSW/ACT time.

Uniforms are better, with the black in it.

When they finally get rid of the pink, they can be taken seriously.

Really?

Pink makes sense because it's arguably the least used jersey colour in the league (outside Women in League round).

Lucky for you on Saturday the refs in Penrith v Newcastle are wearing yellow so you can respect them more ;-)

 

[Card Shark]

Lucky for you on Saturday the refs in Penrith v Newcastle are wearing yellow so you can respect them more ;-)

Good choice of colour - fluro yellow is the best, with black stripes.

Current ref uniform is almost like Qantas ;-)

 

[Timmah]

The reason they're wearing yellow... is because Penrith are wearing Pink. Still ok with it?

 

[firechild]

Refs only have an option to bin if a try was not scored. They rule on what the greatest advantage is. A try vs 12 men? You'll take the try every day.

In relation to discipline, the only option that the ref has (protocol wise) is a send off, which was not worthy in this case.

Correct call by Cummins

I thought that was only the case for a penalty try, i.e. you can't penalise a team twice for the same offense.

I would have been ok with Reynolds being binned for is professional foul even with the try being scored.

 

[Timmah]

That seems ridiculous to me... he committed a professional foul. Shouldn't matter if the try was scored or not, since when was double jeopardy a thing in the NRL?

 

[BigSteveo]

That seems ridiculous to me... he committed a professional foul. Shouldn't matter if the try was scored or not, since when was double jeopardy a thing in the NRL?

It's only a professional foul if the foul prevented a try scoring situation. Since a try was scored in the same play it is no longer a professional foul, so the sin bin does not apply. Referee took the advantage.

Had Reynolds did something like knock the attacking player out with an elbow or something as serious then it would be subject to further disaplinary action.

 

[bileduct]

Better than Canberra's accountants, that's for sure.

LOL, wrong year mate.

 

[carcharias]

It's only a professional foul if the foul prevented a try scoring situation. Since a try was scored in the same play it is no longer a professional foul, so the sin bin does not apply. Referee took the advantage.

Had Reynolds did something like knock the attacking player out with an elbow or something as serious then it would be subject to further disaplinary action.

so if you try to cheat but fail at cheating... no penalty?

I bet they fix that rule.

 

[BigSteveo]

so if you try to cheat but fail at cheating... no penalty?

I bet they fix that rule.

They are with whats happening to the Sharks :crazy:

 

[Bring it home Knights]

Knock on against Maloney was the only howler I can think of. I don't mind refs missing penalties (seriously if that Teo shouldercharge gets suspended we are in for a LONG season), but seeing things that aren't there are frustrating.

In saying that, I didn't really notice the refs tonight which means they did their job.

If Snowden received 7 weeks for standing there as a bloke ran into his shoulder, then Williams and Teo should have some sleepless nights. Here's the clip that led to 7 weeks being missed as well as being sent off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvCsEVnQCgI

The NRL had a drop in ratings last year. I know the shoulder charge rule affected my interest. It's highly unlikely but I'd love for it to come back. I guess rule changes like these are the results of a banker being in charge, who had little understanding of our great game!

 

[Timmah]

It's only a professional foul if the foul prevented a try scoring situation. Since a try was scored in the same play it is no longer a professional foul, so the sin bin does not apply. Referee took the advantage.

Had Reynolds did something like knock the attacking player out with an elbow or something as serious then it would be subject to further disaplinary action.

The foul prevented RTS (I think?) from scoring, did it not? Instead the try was scored by somebody else. Yes - there's advantage applied obviously, but to me the try supercedes a penalty being blown, not the player committing the professional foul being immune from the sin bin.

 

[papabear]

I agree with timmah, he still stopped a try from being scored even though another try was scored in the same play.

Should have been binned.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

LOL, wrong year mate.

 

[BigSteveo]

The foul prevented RTS (I think?) from scoring, did it not? Instead the try was scored by somebody else. Yes - there's advantage applied obviously, but to me the try supercedes a penalty being blown, not the player committing the professional foul being immune from the sin bin.

You can apply the logic of if a player was taken without the ball outside of a try scoring opportunity (eg on halfway) than a penalty is sufficient. If that player is taken out but his team mate runs away with it and scores, do you go back and award the penalty and send the offending player in the bin? No.

The greater advantage in last night's game was to award to try. A referee cant penalise the same infringement twice and the only way Reynolds would be dismissed was for a send off offence, which this wasn't.

I know this as I used to referee and a current NRL referee (wont mention names) was involved in a mentoring capacity. He gave us a complete rundown on these procedures after one of our first grade refs made a blunder in a try scoring/dismissal situation.

 

[carcharias]

You can apply the logic of if a player was taken without the ball outside of a try scoring opportunity (eg on halfway) than a penalty is sufficient. If that player is taken out but his team mate runs away with it and scores, do you go back and award the penalty and send the offending player in the bin? No.

The greater advantage in last night's game was to award to try. A referee cant penalise the same infringement twice and the only way Reynolds would be dismissed was for a send off offence, which this wasn't.

I know this as I used to referee and a current NRL referee (wont mention names) was involved in a mentoring capacity. He gave us a complete rundown on these procedures after one of our first grade refs made a blunder in a try scoring/dismissal situation.

I don't think people are saying the ref got it wrong . ..IMO the rule is wrong.
It is a blatant professional foul ..ie tackling a bloke without the ball on purpose so he won't score.
If they'd not scored they would have more than likely been awarded a penalty try and Reynolds would have been sin binned.
So they get the points and get the other team down a player.

Next time Jennings or whoever it is should not score on purpose...then get the points anyway plus have the other team down a player.

 

[BigSteveo]

I don't think people are saying the ref got it wrong . ..IMO the rule is wrong.
It is a blatant professional foul ..ie tackling a bloke without the ball on purpose so he won't score.
If they'd not scored they would have more than likely been awarded a penalty try and Reynolds would have been sin binned.
So they get the points and get the other team down a player.

Next time Jennings or whoever it is should not score on purpose...then get the points anyway plus have the other team down a player.

I see your point, but as the rules stand (as per the referee guidelines) a player can't be sin binned while you award a penalty try. Has to be a send off or no action on the offender