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Report Card after Round 10

madunit

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Blake Ayshford - 6.5 - has slowly started to increase his performance in attack, but he's been largely ineffective at times in defence. He's lost a lot of side-to-side speed and has been caught out a few times. Had a slow start but starting to play better now.

Matt Bell - 7 - Has been quite consistent. Not a flashy or prominent player, but he gets his job done well.

Adam Blair - 2 - Has had all up, about an hour of great play, the rest has been mediocre by any NRL players statndards, let alone a test player. Hasn't injected himself anywhere near enough and hasn't been interested in doing any dirt work.

Ray Cashmere - 7 - Has been solid and consistent in his performances thus far, hasn't done anything wrong and has been quite surprising given he has played the NRL for a long time.

Gareth Ellis - 7.5 - was going strong when on the field. Runs with so much power that it gives the rest of pack the momentum to keep rolling forward. We miss him now and moreso next year.

Robbie Farah - 8 - was patchy at first, but once he got challenged by Matty Johns and learnt he had a sniff at playing Origin, really lifted his game. He needed to, because Marshall has been largely ineffective this year so far.

Liam Fulton - 8 - The bloke just bust his arse so much. I wish he had a bigger frame because he would cover for Ellis easily. He's gone from doing Lui's defence as well as his own, to doing Blairs defence, as well as his own. Coped with the hooking duties satisfactorily enough without doing anything brilliant or supremely shit.

Keith Galloway - 6.5 - Really needs to show some aggression. All that size and power and he just ambles every hit up. So bloody disappointing. It's like having a giant doing needlework, just doesn't make sense.

Matt Groat - 5 - He tries, there's no doubt about it, but he's still too green and needs a lot of work on his defensive technique. He'll come good in a few years time and will be a good player then.

Chris Heighington - 6.5 - He may not be a game breaker, but he does do a lot of the dirty work no one else seems keen on doing, and you have to respect that, moreso since Gibbs left.

Tom Humble - 7 - Given he's been moved all over the field, he has shown to be quite a good utility player, and much better than Moltzen. Even showed he could direct the team effectively enough from halfback.

Chris Lawrence - 6.5 - Very slow start, no confidence and just when he started to play well, got dumped in the halves. Has also been playing large chunks of time during games as a back rower. He needs to be kep at centre to focus on improving his game and lifting his confidence.

Benji Marshall - 6 - Has largely been missing and ineffective. Not running to the line, ineffective passing game. he just seems to be really down on form and confidence, which isn't helped when all of our play is directed through him when Farah is not playing.

Sean Meaney - 6.5 - Played reasonably well when he got the opportunities, has filled in at a few positions during games and handled the roles well enough, needs to be at fullback permanently though.

Jacob Miller - 4 - Hard to rate someone who was selected at halfback and spent most of the game pushed out to third receiver. Not given a fair go and probably never will.

Tim Moltzen - 2.5 - Only Blair has been worse, but not by much. Moltzen's inability to jump to contest a bomb is killing us. He's reluctance to run at the defence in kick returns means he is tackled and driven back far too often. He promotes himself to halfback more often than not during the game which throws everything out of whack and he has possesed the handling skills of a goat this year. His reluctance to trail any ball players except for Benji shows exactly how much of a team player he really is.

Junior Moors - 8 - has been brilliant when he's had his chances for us, but they have been fleeting.

Ben Murdoch-Masila - 8 - has been great this year and is playing like Fifita did (when he was in-form) with us last year.

Joel Reddy - 4 - Given he's had plenty of opportunity to assert himself in the backline, he really offers little to us, other than his offload.

Beau Ryan - 9 - Our best back, easily. Has been better than ever before under the high ball, to the point that opposition teams will usually kick high to the other wing. Runs the ball back hard and has done a mammoth amount of work from dummy half. Not scared to go up front and tackle like a demon either, especially given his slight frame.

James Tedesco - 7 - Looked great when he was playing and looked set to make the fullback jumper his own. I certainly hope he gets first shot at the jumper again when he returns. Looks like the best fullback we've had since Hodgson.

Lote Tuqiri - 4 - started off reasonable but in recent weeks his form has dropped away savagely. He rushes up and in leaving at times, a two man overlap outside him. This has lead to mostly Ayshford being isolated (which is why he has missed so many tackles this year). His handling has also been abysmal, 5 handling errors in a game recently, has to be the worst display with hands since Dene Halatau v Cowboys in the rain in 2004 I believe (at Campbelltown).

Matt Utai - 5.5 - Doesn't really offer much other than an extremely strong running game. He has a pathetic leap, his tackling technique is frankly abysmal and he has little pace.

Aaron Woods - 9.5 - Tigers star player this year. Boy he has done some massive work, making current test players in the team look amateur. This kid is going to be a rep star in the very near future and his current form is showing that he is most likely good enough now.
 
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Can't argue with just about any of that. Spot on.

Pretty generious with both Ayshford and Lawrence, though. They've been woeful this year. But apart from that, seems we've been watching the same team this year.

Sheens hasn't.

Therefore:
Groat will continue his apprenticeship in first grade
Tuqiri will continue to be picked
Moltzen will continue at fullback
Blair won't get dropped
Moors will continue in reserve grade mostly
We won't buy a half in the off season
 

Magpies Forever

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MU- how do you rate Sheens as coach- compared to his peers and what he is doing with his playing roster and tactics. I know the answer pretty well but I think if we rate the players its only fair to rate the coach too.
 
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MU- how do you rate Sheens as coach- compared to his peers and what he is doing with his playing roster and tactics. I know the answer pretty well but I think if we rate the players its only fair to rate the coach too.

He's probably ascribed to the theory that if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.
 

madunit

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I'll be Fair and say Sheens gets a 3.5 compared to his peers in the areas of recruitment, retention, set plays, defensive structure, player positioning/field placements etc.

I think Furner is worst, Kearney second worst and Sheens is equal 3rd worst with Cartwright. Cleary is excused for most part because he's inherited a shit squad of overpaid players.

Sheens inability to sign players suited to our structure in key positions is killing the team, and has been for years.

Our offseason this year was the first in many years where we paid massive overs for a player and the subsequent months afterwards have seen us chasing old players to add to our roster, instead of recruiting from within. This has been happening more and more over recent years, the performances of Balmain and Wests in NSW Cup is evidence of this, as they have lost a number of quality players to other teams.

The team is now aging and a large core of players will all retire around the same age (Heighington, Farah, Marshall, Fulton, Galloway) and with no emphasis now on young players coming through, we can expect a poor few years when they do retire.

Positional changes mid game are killing our attack massively. Any set plays and structure we have at training is throw out the window when players are reshuffled everywhere during play.

There seems to be no set play that focusses on Benji running the ball at the line, hence our attack just goes side to side with no forward movement at all. His reluctance to play a genuine fullback at the back starts our attacking sets off deep in our own half and with no go forward at all, our forwards are busting their backsides just to get us up to our own 30 metre line most of the time.

Sheens focus on quick play the balls is making our props null and void. Woods reluctance to following this teaching is a reason why he is playing so well. How important is a quick play the ball in todays game? Not very much at all. If you want evidence, watch Melbourne and the Sharks play. They have some of the slowest play the balls possible, and look at how many metres they are making and how much time and space their halves have to create plays.

His use of the bench is woeful. His halfbak options are abysmal. He has done nothing at all to force Blair to be more involved, he's just left him to his own devices. He has failed to see how well Ryan is performing under the high ball and kept Moltzen who squats and falls backwards to take bombs so as not to get hurt, at fullback.

His reluctance to drop poor performing players has lead them all to be comfortable. So what if Blair is moved to prop or Lock and he plays like shit. He'll still be picked next week. Where's the motivation to perform?

The players don't fear getting dropped, they don't fear bad form and some of them don't look at all interested in playing. That is another coaching failure.
 

madunit

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Can't argue with just about any of that. Spot on.

Pretty generious with both Ayshford and Lawrence, though. They've been woeful this year. But apart from that, seems we've been watching the same team this year.

Sheens hasn't.

Therefore:
Groat will continue his apprenticeship in first grade
Tuqiri will continue to be picked
Moltzen will continue at fullback
Blair won't get dropped
Moors will continue in reserve grade mostly
We won't buy a half in the off season
Yeah, I had considered giving them lower ratings but to be fair and honest, their poor performances isn't entirely down to their own actions.

Ayshford would appear to have missed a lot of tackles and had poor defensive reads, but when you look at how many teams he was left stranded defensively by Tuqiri who'd rush up and in and fail to make a tackle, then what is he supposed to do. He's also been moved during games from left centre to right centre and back again, as well as filling in at Lock on occasion.

Lawrence has been pushed out of his specialist position into the second row most of the time and now he's in no mans land between a lock and five-eighth positionally, but still expected to play like a centre, but he has to rely on himself to give himself good ball. Madness.

Reddy has had the best opportunity of the three centres to play his preferred position and make a real fist of it and he hasn't done so. Because Ayshford and Lawrence have been largely put out of position to accommodate Reddy, and have performed at least on par with him, suggests to me that they are in fact playing better than him, and would be if they were allowed to play in their natural positions for 80mins every week.
 

dumpy

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The players don't fear getting dropped, they don't fear bad form and some of them don't look at all interested in playing. That is another coaching failure.[/QUOTE]

Agree completely - some players look as interested as looking into a bag full of arseholes.
 

Ghipo

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That's basically as I see it. Agree on all your individual ratings.

Great report madunit. 10 out of 10
 

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