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RFL, don’t kill grassroots with quick-fix imports!

Desiderio

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What a dilemma this whole rugby league world cup qualification series conjures. Should the sport be rewarding the countries that have done the most on grassroots development, only to see them embarrassed at the World Cup? Or should they bolster weaker countries that have plenty of genes floating around in rugby league hotbeds to make them competitive, though thereby creating a false impression of their state of development?

I don’t want to imply that Italy and Lebanon have done less than Serbia and Russia to develop the game, but I do want to imply that Russia and Serbia would be more than competitive against Lebanon and Italy teams that comprised home-grown or locally nurtured talent.

Last weekend’s results (Italy 92 – Russia 6; Lebanon 96 – Serbia 4) were an embarrassment. Not for Serbia and Russia, who sent their strongest boys into battle, but for Lebanon and Italy, who saw their strongest boys watching from the sidelines as their fight was usurped by English-speaking imports; false countrymen who had grown up far away from Italy and Lebanon, likely having had a rugby league ball placed in their hands on the first day of school.

According to reports, the Lebanon 17 included just one player actually playing in the Lebanese league. The Serbia 17, in contrast, included 14 home-based players, one home-grown Serb now based in France and two ‘imports’ playing in the UK’s highest Amateur league.

Ask the rugby league tourists of BARLA or the British Community Lions which of these four countries have the most competitive national rugby league teams and the answer is unlikely to be Italy or Lebanon.

Anyone who’s followed the grassroots development of rugby league in the four countries currently competing in the World Cup 2013 European Qualifiers must know that a great injustice is being done to the game itself.

But I don’t want to merely rant about what’s already been done and is soon to be dusted in Belgrade in late October. Rather I’d like to suggest a remedy.

I suggest that the next RLWC, presumably to take place in 2017, be a two-tiered competition comprising a World Cup and a World Shield, or something to that effect.

Both championships should include ten teams, i.e. Cup: Australia, New Zealand, England, Wales, Ireland, France, Papua New Guinea, Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands and some other ‘established’ nation; Shield: Canada, Czech Republic, Germany, Italy, Lebanon, Malta, Russia, Serbia, South Africa, USA or similar ‘development’ countries like Jamaica.

There would be no restrictions on the origins, residence or playing level of players competing in the World Cup, but players in the World Shield would have to be home-grown or playing in that country’s domestic league or an equivalent league.

The Shield games could be played as curtain-raisers to the Cup games and development countries would be able to take pride in competing against players at a similar level of development.

Alternatively, we could have a stand-alone amateur rugby league World Cup and European Cup. Even that would more than likely be won by the British Community Lions, but at least not with 90-point victories every game.

In many ways we are all indebted to the rugby league folk of New South Wales and Queensland for being at the forefront of rugby league advancement for so long, but the trade-off has become a diluted global development dominated by the multiculturalism of Sydney to the detriment of the long-term growth of the sport.

The Russian RFL is seeking greater recognition from the Russian Ministry for Sport. How much do you think these RLWC qualifiers will help their cause?

The Serbian RFL has taken massive strides in developing the game locally, but finds its attempts to spark media interest thwarted by its own reluctance to publicise news of crushing defeats at the hands of other non-established RL countries!

We have the greatest game and great people who are working to develop it beyond the heartlands, but it’s time the methods were rethought if we want to ensure that work is successful.

Mark R. Pullen,
Red Star Belgrade RLFC
 

billy2

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Great post.

We need to find a way to do more for countries like Serbia, Russia, South Africa, Canada and all the new countries emerging in the last few years who are doing things the right way by developing from the ground up.

Of course, we need money to do more, and we get money by having a great world cup, so it's all catch 22.

2017 WC looks like being 16 sides, and after that we could get really bold and go for 20 or so.

It needs to be done.
 
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To be honest I do feel sorry for Serbia and Russia not having the advantage of picking overseas eligible players. The RLIF should have been smarter by only allowing homegrown players to compete in the qualifiers. However in saying that Serbia and Russia still do have a chance :roll: if they could pull out some unrealistic scoreline if not then the work must continue to get to the 2017 World Cup, youth development is a must the Serbian u18s sounds promising and I'm sure the hard work will pay off.
 

deluded pom?

Coach
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good point, RLIF is one to blame.


And that's where your post becomes futile Mark because if you didn't already know the RLIF is but a boy's jolly rather than the serious sporting entity that it claims to be. Great first post by the way. Welcome to the boards. It's good to have another view of things from a developing nation.
 

langpark

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Agreed, brilliant post. The Serbs have done it the honest way, built it up from scratch and have made huge progress, only to get thumped by a team of Aussies who float between pledging allegiance to Aus and Italy/Lebanon as they please....
 

Markoveastull

Juniors
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And that's where your post becomes futile Mark because if you didn't already know the RLIF is but a boy's jolly rather than the serious sporting entity that it claims to be. Great first post by the way. Welcome to the boards. It's good to have another view of things from a developing nation.

I know all too well what those bodies get up to. I chose to pick on the RFL because I'm English I suppose.
 

bender

Juniors
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What a dilemma this whole rugby league world cup qualification series conjures. Should the sport be rewarding the countries that have done the most on grassroots development, only to see them embarrassed at the World Cup? Or should they bolster weaker countries that have plenty of genes floating around in rugby league hotbeds to make them competitive, though thereby creating a false impression of their state of development?

I don’t want to imply that Italy and Lebanon have done less than Serbia and Russia to develop the game, but I do want to imply that Russia and Serbia would be more than competitive against Lebanon and Italy teams that comprised home-grown or locally nurtured talent.

Last weekend’s results (Italy 92 – Russia 6; Lebanon 96 – Serbia 4) were an embarrassment. Not for Serbia and Russia, who sent their strongest boys into battle, but for Lebanon and Italy, who saw their strongest boys watching from the sidelines as their fight was usurped by English-speaking imports; false countrymen who had grown up far away from Italy and Lebanon, likely having had a rugby league ball placed in their hands on the first day of school.

According to reports, the Lebanon 17 included just one player actually playing in the Lebanese league. The Serbia 17, in contrast, included 14 home-based players, one home-grown Serb now based in France and two ‘imports’ playing in the UK’s highest Amateur league.

Ask the rugby league tourists of BARLA or the British Community Lions which of these four countries have the most competitive national rugby league teams and the answer is unlikely to be Italy or Lebanon.

Anyone who’s followed the grassroots development of rugby league in the four countries currently competing in the World Cup 2013 European Qualifiers must know that a great injustice is being done to the game itself.

But I don’t want to merely rant about what’s already been done and is soon to be dusted in Belgrade in late October. Rather I’d like to suggest a remedy.

I suggest that the next RLWC, presumably to take place in 2017, be a two-tiered competition comprising a World Cup and a World Shield, or something to that effect.

Both championships should include ten teams, i.e. Cup: Australia, New Zealand, England, Wales, Ireland, France, Papua New Guinea, Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands and some other ‘established’ nation; Shield: Canada, Czech Republic, Germany, Italy, Lebanon, Malta, Russia, Serbia, South Africa, USA or similar ‘development’ countries like Jamaica.

There would be no restrictions on the origins, residence or playing level of players competing in the World Cup, but players in the World Shield would have to be home-grown or playing in that country’s domestic league or an equivalent league.

The Shield games could be played as curtain-raisers to the Cup games and development countries would be able to take pride in competing against players at a similar level of development.

Alternatively, we could have a stand-alone amateur rugby league World Cup and European Cup. Even that would more than likely be won by the British Community Lions, but at least not with 90-point victories every game.

In many ways we are all indebted to the rugby league folk of New South Wales and Queensland for being at the forefront of rugby league advancement for so long, but the trade-off has become a diluted global development dominated by the multiculturalism of Sydney to the detriment of the long-term growth of the sport.

The Russian RFL is seeking greater recognition from the Russian Ministry for Sport. How much do you think these RLWC qualifiers will help their cause?

The Serbian RFL has taken massive strides in developing the game locally, but finds its attempts to spark media interest thwarted by its own reluctance to publicise news of crushing defeats at the hands of other non-established RL countries!

We have the greatest game and great people who are working to develop it beyond the heartlands, but it’s time the methods were rethought if we want to ensure that work is successful.

Mark R. Pullen,
Red Star Belgrade RLFC

Do you think there is scope for the World Shield to basically be a world amateur championsip. Meaning that sides like Tonga, Italy, etc could still send their big players to the World cup, but their domestic players wouldnt be forgotten and would all have something to aim for.
 

bazza

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Will Serbia and Russia give up on rugby league because they didn't qualify for the 2013 world cup?
 

TommyGun

Juniors
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94
I think someone has already brought this up in another thread saying that their is not enough money to fund such an idea. I believe it could be fixed to some extent by making players stick with one nation for life. Although it may raise the profile of league in italy having minichiello playing at the moment, it does not do justcie to the nations developing the game by allowing players to pick and choose their nation as they please
 

Wilson1

Juniors
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497
Great post.

We need to find a way to do more for countries like Serbia, Russia, South Africa, Canada and all the new countries emerging in the last few years who are doing things the right way by developing from the ground up.

Of course, we need money to do more, and we get money by having a great world cup, so it's all catch 22.

2017 WC looks like being 16 sides, and after that we could get really bold and go for 20 or so.

It needs to be done.

20 sides? No way. That would mean basically every country with any sort of actual rugby league presence would be in the world cup. The competition would be a joke.
 

Bluebags1908

Juniors
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I think someone has already brought this up in another thread saying that their is not enough money to fund such an idea. I believe it could be fixed to some extent by making players stick with one nation for life. Although it may raise the profile of league in italy having minichiello playing at the moment, it does not do justcie to the nations developing the game by allowing players to pick and choose their nation as they please

Spot on. The solution to all this is simple:

* One nation for life
* Play state of origin = you're an Australian. Can't play for any other country.
* Scrap the residency rule

If it is one nation for life, I think 75% of the Italian team would pull out (less for Lebanon). This would reward the genuine heritage players and also even out the playing field a little bit. Serbia and Russia might then have a fihgting chance or at least lose by less.
 

billy2

Juniors
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2,341
20 sides? No way. That would mean basically every country with any sort of actual rugby league presence would be in the world cup. The competition would be a joke.
That's 10 years from now.
In the last 10 years we have gone from about 5 or 6 countries with actual comps (depending on if you think the American comp was genuine in 2000 or not) to about 30 countries who may have genuine comps, depending on your definition.
I think we will have a minimum of 40 countries with comps in 10 years, with 20 of them being strong enough to put up a good side.
 

Evil Homer

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Staff member
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He is right though! If you are a new south Welshman or queenslander, you're an australian!
Origin is not an international match. It has nothing to do with any international matches. Any selection criteria for Origin are completely seperate from anything related to international RL, and what happens regarding Origin is of no concern whatsoever to international RL. Amazing how many Australians do not understand this.
 

paulmac

Juniors
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776
I totally 100% agree with a "world shield" concept.But it must be for Homegrown players.We wouldnt want a repeat of the 2000 emerging nations world cup where Italy selected a bunch of aussies and beat up on Morrocco,Canada and Japan.I would also like it if Tonga,Samoa could enter thier amateur side although costs may prevent it.This is why the World Sevens were so good,it gave players from developing countries something to aim for.A World Shield could do the same.
 

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