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Richard Fa'aaso

Utey

Coach
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His hands, now they were bad at Parra, but geez :crazy::crazy::crazy:

I'm suprised he hung onto the winner last week. He'll be hooked surely...

Also, did Vuna hit the line when he scored? It was a bit tough to see on the screen.
 

Johns Magic

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Utey said:
His hands, now they were bad at Parra, but geez :crazy::crazy::crazy:

I'm suprised he hung onto the winner last week. He'll be hooked surely...

Also, did Vuna hit the line when he scored? It was a bit tough to see on the screen.

I'm not willing to give up on Fa'as just yet. He's the only one of our props whon consistently hits the line at speed.

No Vuna didn't hit the line. As I watched it live, when he fell to put the ball down I got chills down my spine. What an idiot, and he was very lucky he just missed.
 

Karmawave

Bench
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Faas was solid throughout, but his handling ability ( or lack thereof ) was more than well known when he signed with the Knights.

I tend to believe that taking away the handling errors, Faas is more effective than either Tolar or Royal while on the field and carting the ball up.

Its the kinda thing we have to live with. If a first grade footballer has poor ball security after all these years, and has since his junior career - we are little chance of changing that now.

We might have to live with him having poor hands in exchange for him being one of our better go forward men.

I think we are resigned to times like the last 2 weeks - a matchwinner one week, a scapegoat the next.

Its going to be up to Smith if he is prepared to roll the dice with Faas.

Personally I think he brings more to the team than his handling errors take away.

As for Vuna, he did all the hard work to score that try, and simple muffed the grounding up. Was very frustrated at the try McManus squandered early in the game. Alot of people seem to forget it. Naiqama was called for a forward pass ( which was questionable anyway ) , but it all would have been irrelevant had McManus been standing deeper like a good winger should be while in support. I think out of all the mistakes last night, that mistake p*ssed me off the worse because it was a simple error that directly led to a bombed try. You can defend McManus all you like, but Naiqama was not at fault with the forward pass. Maybe McManus stands flat in support to compensate for his lack of speed?
 

roopy

Referee
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Utey said:
His hands, now they were bad at Parra, but geez :crazy::crazy::crazy:

I'm suprised he hung onto the winner last week. He'll be hooked surely...

Also, did Vuna hit the line when he scored? It was a bit tough to see on the screen.
you just worry about your own players.
Grothe is a joke.
Whoever you play next week is already practicing goal kicks from that side of the ground.
 

Karmawave

Bench
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Oh yeah, that try! Vuna would have already received a kick up the ass for that, and I'm sure it won't happen again :lol:
 

Spike

First Grade
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Did anyone else see Vuna give a little wave towards the sideline or up towards the coaches box whilst walking back to position after the try. I don't know if he was acknowledging someone or it was a little apology wave toward the coach for almost f*cking up the try.
 

Hanscholo

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I thought it was a sorry to Smith. Vuna was spoken to by the trainer just before that.

Fa'aoso played well, and his handling was about as good as everyone else's in the second half. The drop that really killed us was Patterson before full-time. Cant really get upset with him either, he had a blinder too.
 

Karmawave

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Hanscholo said:
The drop that really killed us was Patterson before full-time. Cant really get upset with him either, he had a blinder too.

He played 28 minutes of football.

Well 31mins if you count extra time.

He is a standout talent - and surely he needs to be on the field longer than 28 minutes a game?

He is good for an error, but he has freaky natural skills. The error he made was a costly one, but it seemed like the pass was behind him and it didn't make it real easy for Patto. I'll watch the game again today. ( on at 11.30am on Fox )

I have to question Smiths tactics with Patto. I can see the point that he is an impact player coming off the bench, but having said that, surely he still needs to see more minutes a game than he got last night and get into the game earlier than the 52nd minute?
 

Utey

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roopy said:
you just worry about your own players.
Grothe is a joke.
Whoever you play next week is already practicing goal kicks from that side of the ground.

Tell me about it :oops::oops::oops:
 

Karmawave

Bench
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Back to Faas, I remember when Steve Simpson had terrible ball handling skills.

To rectify, coach at the time Warren Ryan got Simpson to juggle oranges to improve his ball handling - and it worked.

Maybe its time to buy some oranges for Faas?
 

darkness

Juniors
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People who say Tolar and Royal dont have as much impact as wicks or fas are kidding themselves. Fas and Wicks are impact and come on when players are tired, there tired because Tolar and Royal have been running at them. There the only two who consitently take it up the middle, that is there job, thats why fas and wicks can do what they come on to do. Defensively, the impact players actually let throug more then the starting props.
 

League_God

Juniors
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darkness said:
People who say Tolar and Royal dont have as much impact as wicks or fas are kidding themselves. Fas and Wicks are impact and come on when players are tired, there tired because Tolar and Royal have been running at them. There the only two who consitently take it up the middle, that is there job, thats why fas and wicks can do what they come on to do. Defensively, the impact players actually let throug more then the starting props.

good point.
 

KniGhTs BaTTLeR

Juniors
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darkness said:
People who say Tolar and Royal dont have as much impact as wicks or fas are kidding themselves. Fas and Wicks are impact and come on when players are tired, there tired because Tolar and Royal have been running at them. There the only two who consitently take it up the middle, that is there job, thats why fas and wicks can do what they come on to do. Defensively, the impact players actually let throug more then the starting props.

Spot on. Tolar especially,his a machine, I can't remember the last time he hasn't made it across the advantage line. Royal is solid his off load is good but I dunno he lacks something for mine. Patto might be still under an injury cloud?
 

Hanscholo

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Smith not starting patto is complex and i can recall a few reasons for it. Firstly he is still a kid and im not sure if he has even finished growing yet, he was having pain in his joints associated with it last year. That problem kind of leads into the next issue. Next thing is Smith is concerned, or as he puts it, thinks patto needs to do some work on the physical side of the game.

To me, he is the 2nd most talented back rower in the game. SBW and Patto share a lot of similar abilities. Both are just prodigious offloaders and are very skillful. Both hit holes like no others. Obviously they are both huge. Patto can also kick, and is superb in the air.

I just dont think Smith wants a 20 year old kid out there who is 4 years away from getting a footballers body to be getting smashed taking hit ups. He knows this kids future is massive and i dont think he wasnt to jeopardise it at this point.

Ciraldo, Houston and Taia have been fantastic anyway. I love patto and id like to see him play another 10 or so mins at this point. If Smith isnt starting him for a reason ill give over to his exprience.
 

Karmawave

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Its one thing to protect a player and another completely to use a strike weapon for only 28 minutes a game.

The week before he played 60+?
 

antonius

Coach
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I'm happy to put up with Fa'aasos dodgy hands, he is a true impact player consistantly breaks the line with brute force (I love watching him hit the ball up.)
 

roopy

Referee
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Jesse Royal had terrible handling for years and just suddenly got over it - but he never had the junior career or coaching of Fa'oaso.
If you make all the junior rep sides up to Junior Kangaroos you would think you would have had every chance to reach your potential by 23.
 
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