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Richard Silverwood.

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This guy refs games the way they should be reffed.
Fifty Minutes before his first penalty .
Makes the pedantic constant whistle blowing NRL refs look 2nd rate.
He let the game flow,& it was great to not have to see constant referee induced stoppages,& lectures...
Would love to see him over here full time,but im sure Hollywood Bill would soon change him ...for the worse...
Is there any chance of getting him for SOO?
 

beads6

First Grade
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Fly him in for origin, would be nice if we could get him over here permanently.
 

Desert Qlder

First Grade
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An extremely well-referreed game. It gave us a glimpse as to how much penalties affect the course of a match.

As Gould noted during half-time, the majority of the game was played in the middle section of the field. This meant that to gain an upper hand one team had to make strong yards up the middle and use craftiness to make a break. No team really succeeded in this and in the end it came down to a few crucial errors from NZ. But the flow of the game was never impeded by pedantic penalties which gave one side significant advantage.

Even the pressure on the kickers was rightfully allowed, fantastic stuff.

I applaud Richard Silverwood for his performance. Of course, he's English, so that means to some he is a poor referee and you will see that opinion voiced loudly in this thread. But give me him over the likes of Suttor and Cummins any day of the week.
 
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And still Gould makes a whinge out of it. Yes, I know he said he wasn't - but he was.

Brilliantly refereed, and I say that because I cannot remember a single thing he did.
 

RL1908

Bench
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EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE in my view by English referee Richard Silverwood in the Australia vs New Zealand test match. Just two penalties in the game, and, what was in my view, a proper application of the knock-forward rules (not every dropped ball is a knock-on).

Mr Silverwood showed you don’t need to blow your whistle at the slighest hold down at the ruck or minor breach of the rules. The 10m rule was devised to give the attacking team space at each play-the-ball, not to put the game into fast-forward mode or won or lost on aerobic endurance and the ubiquitous “momentum” game.

Conversely though, the lack of penalties to “piggy back” a team up the field tended to make the Test match a little boring for many I would think – given the teams spent much of the game marching up and down the field, rather than starting a set of six on the attack. The latter only happened from lost possessions.

The problem with having less penalties in NRL games is that matches would become very boring, at least for a while – without penalties and knock-ons the teams would have to learn how to take chances at their own end of the field to ever be able to attack their opponents at the scoring end of the field.

If the number of penalties is reduced, and/or the reward reduced (eg change the rule so there is no kick to touch allowed from a penalty), then rugby league (at NRL level at least) would almost certainly need the 6 tackle rule changed to something like a “4 + 4 tackle rule” i.e. the six tackle rule is permanently changed back down to four, but if you cross half-way line in possession the tackle count restarts with a fresh set of four tackles.

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Razor

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If the number of penalties is reduced, and/or the reward reduced (eg change the rule so there is no kick to touch allowed from a penalty), then rugby league (at NRL level at least) would almost certainly need the 6 tackle rule changed to something like a “4 + 4 tackle rule” i.e. the six tackle rule is permanently changed back down to four, but if you cross half-way line in possession the tackle count restarts with a fresh set of four tackles.

Why do people need to score tries to make League interesting? It doesn't matter if the play is in mid-field all match.
 

Meth

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Kept a terrible 10 and the ruck was sloooooow. But, aside from that, controlled the game well. Certainly didn't favor one team
 

supersoniceagle

Juniors
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Refs in general are too quick to call a penalty. They should be more lenient and warn players on the go, and if they infringe again then penalise them
 

DecoyRunner

Juniors
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Why do people need to score tries to make League interesting? It doesn't matter if the play is in mid-field all match.


Yeah, it does. I enjoyed this game as much if not more than any this year because of the arm wrestle and the fact the ref and his interpretations did not play a part in the result.

But for TV it needs to be full of attacking footy. TV ratings are the only thing the NRL has over the AFL atm and they need to keep that going. Penalties lead to attacking opportunities which are exciting to watch, so they should reserve refereeing performances like this to Test, Origin and finals football.
 

B-Tron 3000

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Yeah, it does. I enjoyed this game as much if not more than any this year because of the arm wrestle and the fact the ref and his interpretations did not play a part in the result.

But for TV it needs to be full of attacking footy. TV ratings are the only thing the NRL has over the AFL atm and they need to keep that going. Penalties lead to attacking opportunities which are exciting to watch, so they should reserve refereeing performances like this to Test, Origin and finals football.

How bout having ONE set of rules and interpretations that gives a fair balance between attack and defence?

Last night's game had plenty of attacking play, and it all came about naturally, it was not manufactured.

Anyway, if teams get less penalties eventually they will be forced to work out a way to score tries from long distance - like running the ball on the last tackle, or going for more 40-20s so that the wingers drop back earlier etc.


ps the refereee was great
 

Paullyboy

Coach
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I agree it was fantastic not having the pedantic penalty for holding down that refs in the NRL clearly blow if they think the game hasn't had a penalty recently enough.

I'll happily take a slower playtheball if it means 7 or 8 less penalties a game
 

DecoyRunner

Juniors
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How bout having ONE set of rules and interpretations that gives a fair balance between attack and defence?

Last night's game had plenty of attacking play, and it all came about naturally, it was not manufactured.

Anyway, if teams get less penalties eventually they will be forced to work out a way to score tries from long distance - like running the ball on the last tackle, or going for more 40-20s so that the wingers drop back earlier etc.


ps the refereee was great

Yep. Less penalties, or at least less kick-for-touch penalties would improve the overall attacking abilities of most teams.

But it would take two to three years at least for them all (juniors, coaches, refs and NRL players), to change their mentalities and the NRL can't afford that just yet. Once they're mega-rich aka NFL, NBA, and to a lesser extent AFL, then they can afford to experience a couple of seasons of less exciting football while waiting for the skills to catch up to the rules.

I hate endless ruck infringement penalties gifting points to a team who has done very little to earn them, but full sets of six inside the opposition half is more exciting, and we need that right now. At least until this fabled New Broadcast Rights Deal is a go.
 

lockyrulz

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Yea great...

Lockyer Thurston, Inglus etc etc could barely crack the line. Why? Shit 10 and slow rucks.

Multiply the inept reffing displayed last night by a few weeks, and the coaches will have their players lying in the ruck so long you'll be able to head to the fridge in between tackles and wont miss a thing.
 

ceagle

Bench
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He was great, both penalties were undebatable, unlike some of the ruck penalties which are never consistent, and leave you scratching your head.
 

B-Tron 3000

Juniors
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but full sets of six inside the opposition half is more exciting, and we need that right now. At least until this fabled New Broadcast Rights Deal is a go.
Sorry, i think you've got things the wrong way round. We shouldn't be changing the game to try and package it for television. That's a sure-fire way to f**k it up. First you make the game good and then you think about how to market it. The game is fine anyway (could do with a few tweaks) and changing it for the wrong reasons will ruin what makes it great.

Anyway, what league has over other sports is the exciting part. Rugby League is a WAR. Two teams face each other and run straight at each other. People love the big hits and gladitorial nature of the game. With your knowledge of US sports, do you know that when they banned fighting in the NHL the ratings dropped? As soon as they made rules for fighting (ie they allowed it again) the ratings went back up!
 
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His 10 was terrible for both teams unlike games I've seen with Tony Archer, Ben Cummins and Jarred Maxwell with 12 metres for one team and 8 for the other. I was also happy he didn't penalise Jeremy Smith (I think?) for smashing Thurston, that would have been a penalty everyday in the NRL.

Another good thing was there was no evening out of the penalty count, the usual 5-1 penalty count one way in the first half then 4-0 in the second the other way wasn't there which left the game in the balance and up to the players.

As for the speed of the game I've always thought that it needs to be slowed down and not sped up.
 

DecoyRunner

Juniors
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Yea great...

Lockyer Thurston, Inglus etc etc could barely crack the line. Why? Shit 10 and slow rucks.

Multiply the inept reffing displayed last night by a few weeks, and the coaches will have their players lying in the ruck so long you'll be able to head to the fridge in between tackles and wont miss a thing.

Fifty percent of the game is defence. I never found the rucks in the Test match to be overly slow. Club games need help to be consistently exciting for 26 weeks. Test matches don't.

Maybe they couldn't crack the line cause they don't know how to without help from the refs?

Are you saying there weren't exciting or skillful footballers in the days of the five metre rule? That rule improved attack because players had to be a lot more creative to get past the defence.

Ken Irvine scored 200+ tries in his career. This will likely never be beaten and he did it in the days of the five metre rule. So did Renouf, Meninga, Lewis, Sterling, Kenny, Ferguson and many of the game's greatest ever attacking players.
 

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