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Richie Incognito

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Transcripts of voice mail messages and text messages left for the Miami Dolphins' Jonathan Martin by teammate Richie Incognito indicate a pattern of racial epithets and profane language.

Multiple sources confirmed to ESPN that the following is a transcript of a voice message Incognito left for Martin in April 2013, a year after Martin was drafted:

"Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

Sources tell ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that officials from both the NFL and the Dolphins have heard the tape and have copies of the message.

Sources familiar with the tapes say these are terms Incognito used over time and were not isolated incidents, including the use of the racial epithet multiple times.

Sources also say Martin received a series of texts that included derogatory terms referring to the female anatomy and sexual orientation.

Richie Incognito Timeline

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A timeline of notable incidents involving offensive lineman Richie Incognito, in both his college and professional careers: DateIncidentOct. 2013Suspended indefinitely by Dolphins after alleged harassment of teammate Jonathan MartinAug. 2013Texans DE Antonio Smith suspended for Week 1 for swinging helmet at Incognito during gameDec. 2011Raiders DT Richard Seymour fined $30,000 for punching Incognito during gameDec. 2009Released by Rams two days after being penalized twice for personal fouls and arguing with coach Steve Spagnuolo during game against Titans2009 seasonVoted NFL's "dirtiest player" in poll of NFL players by Sporting NewsOct. 2004Dismissed from Oregon football program after transferring to school in SeptemberSept. 2004Suspended indefinitely by Nebraska coach Bill Callahan for repeated violations of team rulesJune 2004Convicted of misdemeanor assault charge stemming from incident at party in FebruarySpring 2003Suspended by Nebraska coach Frank Solich (reinstated prior to season)-- ESPN Stats & Information




Incognito was suspended indefinitely by the Dolphins on Sunday night for conduct detrimental to the team. Meanwhile, the Miami Herald reported Monday that the team plans to cut ties with him.

"He's done," a team source told the newspaper. "There are procedures in place, and everyone wants to be fair. The NFL is involved. But from a club perspective he'll never play another game here."

In a statement announcing his suspension, the Dolphins said, "we believe in maintaining a culture of respect for one another and as a result we believe this decision is in the best interest of the organization at this time. As we noted earlier, we reached out to the NFL to conduct an objective and thorough review. We will continue to work with the league on this matter."

Incognito, who had been a part of Miami's six-player leadership council, started all eight games for the Dolphins (4-4). He will be an unrestricted free agent after the season. Backup guard Nate Garner will start in his place.

Martin left the team last week after a lunchroom incident. It is unknown whether and when Martin plans to return to the team. The Dolphins have until 4 p.m. ET Tuesday to take him off the non-football-related illness list.

This is not the first time Incognito has been in trouble. In 2009 he got into a verbal altercation with then-St. Louis Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo for multiple penalties in a game. Incognito was waived a few days later.

Incognito also was suspended for the 2004 season in college at Nebraska because of off-the-field incidents.

In the preseason, Houston Texans defensive lineman Antonio Smith swung a helmet at Incognito during a game, alleging foul play.

On Monday, Smith said he wasn't surprised Incognito was involved in such an incident.

"You are what you are I guess," Smith said. "That doesn't surprise me one bit."

New York Jets quarterback David Garrard was a teammate of Incognito's in Miami during the preseason last year and described the embattled lineman as "a jokester kind of guy."

"I would just say he's a jokester kind of guy," Garrard said. "A good guy, but like all of us, you want to have your fair shake of pranks and stuff like that. ... It's unfortunate. You never want it to get to a point where guys want to leave the team. You would hope other guys in the locker room would help police it. It's one of those situations that's sad to see."

Former New York Jets and Baltimore Ravens linebacker Bart Scott told ESPN 98.7 FM in New York that Incognito should be kicked out of the NFL.
"He needs to be gone," Scott said. "No one would miss him anyway. Trust me."

Scott added: "You got to be some type of loser in your spare time away from the building you want to call me and leave threatening messages and text messages on my phone. That's taking bullying to a whole other level."
Scott himself is no stranger to rookie hazing, as he was seen on the Jets' season of "Hard Knocks" as part of a group of veterans tying a rookie player to a goalpost and dousing him in ice, Gatorade and powder.

Incognito talked to NFL.com this past summer about problems he's had to overcome through therapy with anger-management issues and substance abuse, particularly when he was with the Rams at the beginning of his career.

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"I mean, we'd have practice the next morning, and I'm out until all hours of the night, running the town," Incognito told NFL.com. "Drinking. Doing ElephantJuice. I was doing everything that a professional athlete should not be doing."

He had seemed to turn his image around with the Dolphins, however, earning a share last season of the team's "good guy" award, which is given to the player who is most cooperative with the local media. He also was voted to his first Pro Bowl in 2012.

"I'm definitely not a choir boy," Incognito told NFL.com in the story published earlier this year. "You know, I'm definitely not healed, and I'm not saying that I don't make mistakes. But from where I was to where I am now, I mean, it's night and day. And it's something that, you know, I hope people can respect about me."

ESPN.com Dolphins reporter James Walker, ESPN.com Texans reporter Tania Ganguli and ESPN.com Jets reporter Rich Cimini contributed to this report.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9...-dolphins-used-slurs-messages-jonathan-martin
 

Raider_69

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I adore the fact that a guy named "Incognito" has had this kind of off field career.
:lol:

What a muppet
 

Ron Jeremy

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I am going to side with Incognito here, I think this has been taken wayyyyyyy the wrong way on Martin's behalf, and besides there seems to be more support for Incognito the Martin.....
 

Paullyboy

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It's part of the culture of the NFL. It's been going on for decades, if you read any NFL player autobiography they all make reference to it.

This situation is so ridiculous.
 

one tree hill

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Just because it's a tradition doesn't make it right, it's BS. Make players feel welcome not like a worthless piece of garbage.
 

Ron Jeremy

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So new players should just accept hazing, bullying etc

No, but I dont think it was all out bullying, I think most of it was probably a jokes on Incongnito's behalf who is a well known joker and locker room funny guy, hell, i have left similar messages on my mates phone after a few :lol:
 

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000277233/article/

ricky-williams-maybe-martin-doesnt-belong-in-nfl

Ricky Williams might have a reputation for flakiness, but is there any NFL player of the past two generations more qualified to weigh in on the controversy involving Miami Dolphins offensive linemen Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin?

Williams played with Incognito in Miami and shared Martin's need to step away from the NFL lifestyle. One never knows what answers Williams will provide, but they are consistently refreshing and thought-provoking as opposed to typical jock bromides.

In a Tuesday morning interview with KGMZ-FM in San Francisco, Williams balked at the idea that Incognito's actions qualify as hazing or bullying in the uniquely demanding culture of professional football.

"How is bullying something that's even mentioned regarding the NFL?" Williams wondered. "Because that's kind of what we're taught to do -- at least on the field -- is to bully the guy across from us so we can win the football game.

"It's kind of what we're subjected to on a day-to-day basis that most people will never be able to understand. ... What we're required to do physically, mentally and emotionally for the course of a season is astronomical -- it's amazing," Williams added. "And I'm not saying that it's bad. I'm saying it just really speaks to what it takes to be a professional football player. And to me there's no room to play the victim or to be bullied or to even have that discussion when it comes to the NFL. If you're having that discussion, it just means that maybe you don't belong in the NFL."

Williams should know. Nine years ago, he came to his own realization that he didn't belong in the NFL.

"I think I can relate and I can speak on this because I was at a point where I was done with the NFL and I needed to take a break," Williams said. "But unlike Jonathan, I didn't have to find a scapegoat or someone to blame. ... I didn't have to bring anyone else down when I found out that I just couldn't handle what I was going through at the time."

Williams went through many of the same experiences as Martin early in his career, but emphasized that he never took it as a personal attack.

"I just understood that's the nature of the game," Williams explained. "When I came in as a rookie, they called me 'Ricky Weirdo.' And they busted my balls and they gave me a hard time, but I just laughed because it was funny. ... If someone sent me those messages, I would send a text back and call him a redneck and put 'lol.' To me, situations that you got yourself into, you got yourself into. It falls on you to find a way to get yourself out. And I'm not judging the way he got himself out of the situation. I actually think it's quite brilliant.

"There's all these text messages and these voice messages," Williams went on. "It takes some awareness and some planning and some orchestration to actually save those and record those. ... (Martin) is fighting (Incognito), but he's just doing it in his own way. If we're going to talk about the story as a hazing story -- which doesn't fit -- or as a bullying story, it's really a great example of the kid that is 'getting bullied' fighting back in his own way. ... I think they're both victims. I think the truth is never going to come out. One guy has a paid vacation. And one guy has a vacation that's not paid right now."

Asked about the racist language allegedly used by Incognito in text and voice messages, Williams took exception to the notion that societal standards apply to a locker room setting.

"It's not inflammatory if it's your family," Williams said. "When you look at a team, especially two guys that play the same position, and you really understand how much time they spend together, you can't put it in the context that you would put it outside of a family setting. ... If you had a tape recorder in the locker room, you would hear a lot of stuff that wouldn't fly in the media. A football team, the NFL, it's a fraternity. ... It's not fair and it's not right for people on the outside to judge and try to figure out what's going on on the inside, because most of the people on the outside wouldn't last a week on an NFL team."

In Williams' experience, Incognito is not a racist. He also believes coach Joe Philbin's responsibility was to step in only when the actions of the other linemen affected Martin's play.

"The locker room, we keep coaches out for a reason. It's our space," Williams emphasized. "When I look at the issue, it's not about racism, it's not about bullying, it's not about hazing. It's about a lack of leadership in that locker room. ... And this is just one of the ways in which it's manifested."

Williams' comments are fascinating, but it's fair to wonder if he's letting Philbin and a troubled Incognito off the hook.

Hall of Famer Bill Walsh's coaching tree never tolerated any form of hazing or harassing. Pete Carroll doesn't allow it in Seattle. Jimmy Johnson and Mike Shanahan have said they've never witnessed bullying to the extent that is alleged in this circumstance.

The hope now is that the Dolphins' leadership failure will lead to positive change as more NFL locker rooms embrace Walsh's philosophies and reject a philistine vestige of the sport's past.
 

Ron Jeremy

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I agree, but Williams nails it, Martin is soft imo, and I dare say a few more of them were involved...
 

Paullyboy

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He's a grown man. Not a child.

Sometimes initiations/hazing whatever you call it are a bit rough - but it's part of sporting culture. No one was physically harmed, and let's be honest, the things that were said were way less offensive than many of the things you'll hear said any day in any blokey environment.
 

Paullyboy

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In the context of the message it clearly wasn't a threat. No one could possibly interpret that he was actually threatening to kill him.

It's a shit choice of words, but if you looked at text messages sent between some of my mates you could find a lot worse things typed. Everything needs to be put in context, and in a team sport environment, nothing we've seen so far is out of the ordinary other than an over-the-top response by the 'victim'.
 

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