Ricky Stuart Should Be Dropped!

[Sans Souci Sainter]

It was a fair slap in the face to NZ thinking we only needed 2 props going into a World Cup final.

Ryles would have made a huge difference tonight.

But because he doesn't smoke Sticky's bone, he wouldn't even have been considered.

Australia made the same mistake that NSW made this year.

You need at least 3 solid Props.

Second Rowers are Second Rowers, don't pretend they are Props.

Uncle Wayne knows this and it showed.

 

[4wardPass]

To call for Stuart's sacking is a bit harsh, though. Bennet lost a home test to NZ and made some bizare selections (Waterhouse in the centres) in the run up to the 05 loss. At least Stuart had the Kangaroos in the game until the end. He also fronted the media, and didn't use the secret tunnel from Suncorp to platform 3 at Roma St station to avoid the media.

Yeah hes so good.....how many finals has he won as a coach tho ?

LOL he is one of the worst coaches in Australia, The only way his sharks win games is by dirty tactics and being grubs.

Anyone can coach the roos to beat teams like fiji and png to wins of 50+ no skill there.

 

[4wardPass]

It was a fair slap in the face to NZ thinking we only needed 2 props going into a World Cup final.

Ryles would have made a huge difference tonight.

But because he doesn't smoke Sticky's bone, he wouldn't even have been considered.

Australia made the same mistake that NSW made this year.

You need at least 3 solid Props.

Second Rowers are Second Rowers, don't pretend they are Props.

Uncle Wayne knows this and it showed.

Yep and 150yr olds like fitzgibbon don't count either come on if it wasn't for him playing with ricky he wouldnt have made the 24 man squad let alone the 17.

 

[hellteam]

The coach should not be an NRL head coach. Neither should Origin coaches.

End of story

 

[Mr Manly]

a good coach would have made the exteremely hot favourites would have gotten over the line for one more game - instead 10-0 up and arrogance snuck in - i definately think its rickys fault and should be sacked immediately and a non- nrl coach should get the job with no bias.

 

[playdaball]

The Kiwis played 2 games before going to the WC whilst the Aussies played none - perhaps they were still 1 or 2 games away from their peak?

 

[super_coach]

You cant have a situation where a current NRL coach is in charge of the national side. Sticky like Fulton and others before him are too close to some of the fringe players to be objective. You cant blame Sticky for last nights debacle but you can blame him for some of the team selections. Blokes like Fitzgibbon and Topou are good footballers but have plenty of players in front of them yet get selected because of past connections with Sticky. We saw it for years with Manly when Fulton was in charge. Also it can be argued that players are lured to the coaches NRL team on the promise of rep selection.

Really last night was about one team playing to a very simple game plan and doing it well and the other team thinking all that had to do was turn up on the night. If you want to win the big games its about doing the grind, laying a platform and than blowing them off the paddock, the Aussies forgot the grind

 

[TheParraboy]

Stuart should take full responsibility, heres why

Over the course of the tournament, In attacking raids, Australia ran two decoys across the backline in scoring many of their tries. Players were nice and deep, pass, decoy, pass, decoy, and overlap eventuates, onto the outside centre/winger for a try. Worked a treat against the kiwis first up, the hapless poms and PNG.

Kearney/Bennett can thank their lucky stars that Ricky "genius" Stuart kept up that plan as their main attacking weapon like an open book in the final. NZ trained for it. Kearney and Bennett exploited what they knew was coming, so many times kiwi's defence rushed up on the guy getting the ball as oppossed to the once well thought out decoys. There were the expected overlaps, but before the ball got the anticipated player, the ball carrier was creamed. Stuarts A1 game plan was being shut down. Frustration and urgency was setting in

When the kiwis were shutting this down, Australia pannicked, and many of their "superstars" tried to win the game by themselves, they didnt have an A2 game plan whatsover, they panicked and errors eventuated.

They were ambushed by a committed and well coached side on the night that knew what they were going to do...exactly. Something Stuart wasnt expecting. Call it arrogence, call it poor preparation.

Also Australias bench lacked size and form. This is partly cause of Steve Prices injury, but a lack of planning by Stuart and an infacutation by "rewarding mates" like toupou and fitzgibbon were his fault, no one elses. We could get away with a light and out of form bench vs poms and PNG, but not against a large kiwi side. Glen stewart was often seen taking the ball up from tap kicks, master stroke. Again call it arrogence or poor coaching

Both sets of players has the passion and desire to win but overall it was great coaching and team selection by the kiwis, poor coaching and team selection by Stuart. It was that simple

NZ well deserved world cup champions.

 

[icewind]

yeh, have to say, Congrats to NZ, well deserved and wonderful passion, which they carried right through to the end of the 80 minutes. Smells distinctly of Bennett. The Haka to start the game was awesome, and this will be great for the international game, and a kick in the pants to us ego-centric Aussies somewhat.


My thoughts though, was, besides Civeniceva who toiled hard but missed his mate Price, we had no one willing to do the hard yards. Fitzgibbon, Perry, Watmough, Kite, didn't stand up imo. Someone like Myles woulda been perfectly suited to an occasion like this, big engine, big heart, goes strong to the 80th minute, and can make some momentum-changing tackles late in the game like he's done for Qld a few times now.

 

[sass]

Too much was made of Inglis' brilliance, which only shows when the forwards are winning the ruck and his halves give great service.

Slater cost us a try, but engineered at least two. Watmough also had a big part to play in Heather's second try. Thurston could have engineered the big comeback play late in the game had Jeremy Smith not ankle tapped him.

Cameron Smith, like Inglis, went MIA. Slater had a dig, IMHO his biggest blunder was being absent when Jeremy Smith strolled through.

Where Sticky and the selectors went wrong was not having the foresight to have a forward leader to take the reigns when the going got tough - read Hindmarsh, Ryles and Mason (who is still possibly injured). Even the likes of Carl Webb and Nate Myles could have produced that when the Kiwis surged home.

And cutie as the utility? What does he add? Clearly Kidley was missed, but since Craig Wing, Australia has not developed anyone for that role, when Prince, Farah, Cronk, Lyon, Mullen, Rogers, Anasta or Bowen provide a pool of players capable of filling that role with development and experience.

To call for Stuart's sacking is a bit harsh, though. Bennet lost a home test to NZ and made some bizare selections (Waterhouse in the centres) in the run up to the 05 loss. At least Stuart had the Kangaroos in the game until the end. He also fronted the media, and didn't use the secret tunnel from Suncorp to platform 3 at Roma St station to avoid the media.

good post mister.

and the other thing, obviously, is just the kiwis had more passion. those boys had a good game.

 

[Chook Norris]

what's the go with cutie getting only 9 minutes? wasted...

 

[hellteam]

Hard call on Stuart to be dropped, but Australia played all year with cute selections. From the start, the likes of Ryles, Hindmarsh and O'Meley were never going to get a look in - and in hindsight Dallas Johnson, Danny Buderus and Justin Hodges would have been handy inclusions, too.

Too much was made of Inglis' brilliance, which only shows when the forwards are winning the ruck and his halves give great service.

Slater cost us a try, but engineered at least two. Watmough also had a big part to play in Heather's second try. Thurston could have engineered the big comeback play late in the game had Jeremy Smith not ankle tapped him.

Cameron Smith, like Inglis, went MIA. Slater had a dig, IMHO his biggest blunder was being absent when Jeremy Smith strolled through.

Where Sticky and the selectors went wrong was not having the foresight to have a forward leader to take the reigns when the going got tough - read Hindmarsh, Ryles and Mason (who is still possibly injured). Even the likes of Carl Webb and Nate Myles could have produced that when the Kiwis surged home.

And cutie as the utility? What does he add? Clearly Kidley was missed, but since Craig Wing, Australia has not developed anyone for that role, when Prince, Farah, Cronk, Lyon, Mullen, Rogers, Anasta or Bowen provide a pool of players capable of filling that role with development and experience.

To call for Stuart's sacking is a bit harsh, though. Bennet lost a home test to NZ and made some bizare selections (Waterhouse in the centres) in the run up to the 05 loss. At least Stuart had the Kangaroos in the game until the end. He also fronted the media, and didn't use the secret tunnel from Suncorp to platform 3 at Roma St station to avoid the media.

1) Ryles was not picked because it has been shown he can not perform in big matches. This has been seen in Origin over the years and although he has improved, Civoneceva, Kite, Price and Perry are all in front of him in the pecking order. Same goes with O'Meley. Hindmarsh simply isn't up to this level anymore. Doesn't offer enough in attack and his performances weren't exactly awesome this year at all.

2) Buderus and Hodges are injured.

3) You can't possibly say that Inglis doesn't deserve to be in the team. He's just about the best player in rugby league and you'll struggle to find a centre in the world that is brilliant playing behind a struggling forward pack.

4) Well most would say Slater's biggest blunder was giving the Kiwi's 4 points.

5) Mason is injured, Nate Myles hadn't played much football because of lengthy suspension and Carl Webb... Seriously ?

6) Hunt at utility offers a great deal more then any of those players you have listed. He can play fullback, wing, centres, five eight and lock. He adds more then Gidley who can only play at fullback or halfback. Prince is only a half/five eight, which means there is absoloutely no point in having him on the bench unless one of the halves gets injured, same as Mullen and Cronk. Farah is a hooker and Lyon is a centre/five eight. There may be some merit in putting Anasta in, but not in front of Hunt. Bowen hadn't played the whole year and is only a fullback, so what's your logic in saying he should be put on the bench? Also Rogers is 30+ which therefore pretty much makes it a ridiculous suggestion to suggest he can be 'developed' into filling this bench role.

7) How is it harsh? Bennett knew the writing was on the wall, so should Stuart. Anyway as other people have said an NRL coach shouldn't be coaching the Kangaroos anyway.

 

[adamkungl]

Fitzgibbon was only inthere cause hes ricky's mate, come on hes like a 150 years old and drops the ball more than any other forward!

If ricky and fitzy didn't play together and stuff would he have been in the australian team ? Not likely!

He dropped one ball didn't he? Big deal...Nor did he play together with Stuart. He did his job, make decent meters (well, i think he did, i havnt seen stats tbh), and tackle lots. The forwards weren't to blame for last night (well Gallen was as useless as ever but hey). A lack of involvement by a couple of backs (At the 50th minute I seriously asked whether Inglis was injured or something), and a couple of brainsnaps by others cost us the game.

As for Stuart, picking Gallen isn't reason enough to sack the bloke. Really he has done a brilliant job with Australia over the past few years. There have been a couple of selection blunders (Hornby and co, 06 loss to GB, ugh). I believe he did everything in his power to ensure we won last night, a few MIA superstars should be shouldering the blame, not the coach.

 

[bartman]

I was never really convinced by Ricky Stuart's greatness. Thought his golden patch at the Roosters was mostly down to Gus behind the scenes.

I won't lose sleep if he moves on or is moved on from the Australian job.

 

[adamkungl]

I was never really convinced by Ricky Stuart's greatness. Thought his golden patch at the Roosters was mostly down to Gus behind the scenes.

I won't lose sleep if he moves on or is moved on from the Australian job.

Imo he is a top rep coach, if I wanted a team of top players running sh*t hot for a few weeks, he'd be the first bloke I'd go to.

 

[Loudstrat]

1) Ryles was not picked because it has been shown he can not perform in big matches. This has been seen in Origin over the years and although he has improved, Civoneceva, Kite, Price and Perry are all in front of him in the pecking order.

Inglis can't perform in big matches either, but he's always picked.

Hindmarsh simply isn't up to this level anymore. Doesn't offer enough in attack and his performances weren't exactly awesome this year at all.

Your'e kiddin, aren't you? Hindy has, as usual, been awesome.

3) You can't possibly say that Inglis doesn't deserve to be in the team. He's just about the best player in rugby league and you'll struggle to find a centre in the world that is brilliant playing behind a struggling forward pack.

The Roos pack wasn't totally outgunned.

Besides, Folau had a dig. Inglis didn't

Well most would say Slater's biggest blunder was giving the Kiwi's 4 points.

Most would say India is a great place to live, too. Do you have an opinion for yourself?

Mason is injured, Nate Myles hadn't played much football because of lengthy suspension and Carl Webb... Seriously ?

All can fire up when needed. And it was needed.

6)

Hunt at utility offers a great deal more then any of those players you have listed. He can play fullback, wing, centres, five eight and lock.

He is good at fullback. Crap at pivot. Never seen him play anywhere else.

He adds more then Gidley who can only play at fullback or halfback.

Has played pivot and centres in first grade, hooker as replacement in Origin. That's 5 positions to cuties 2

Prince is only a half/five eight, which means there is absoloutely no point in having him on the bench unless one of the halves gets injured, same as Mullen and Cronk. Farah is a hooker and Lyon is a centre/five eight.

Same can be said of Craig Wing and Terry Lamb - which is why I said DEVELOP them over time. All can cover half and hooker, and can be trained to be a centre. All have the ability to be decent utilities.

There may be some merit in putting Anasta in, but not in front of Hunt.

Why not? Anasta has a kicking game, and experience in forwards and backs. Again, what can cutie offer?

Bowen hadn't played the whole year and is only a fullback, so what's your logic in saying he should be put on the bench? Also Rogers is 30+ which therefore pretty much makes it a ridiculous suggestion to suggest he can be 'developed' into filling this bench role.

Bowen's been a sucessful utility in Origin before - won a series with a try I recall. Rogers has played fullback, wing, centre and pivot before. His age? How old is Heather and our front row, or Fitzgibbon?

How is it harsh? Bennett knew the writing was on the wall, so should Stuart. Anyway as other people have said an NRL coach shouldn't be coaching the Kangaroos anyway.

Bennet got punted!

 

[Ian_Brown]

Inglis can't perform in big matches either, but he's always picked.
Your'e kiddin, aren't you? Hindy has, as usual, been awesome.


The Roos pack wasn't totally outgunned.

Besides, Folau had a dig. Inglis didn't

Most would say India is a great place to live, too. Do you have an opinion for yourself?

All can fire up when needed. And it was needed.

6) He is good at fullback. Crap at pivot. Never seen him play anywhere else.

Has played pivot and centres in first grade, hooker as replacement in Origin. That's 5 positions to cuties 2

Same can be said of Craig Wing and Terry Lamb - which is why I said DEVELOP them over time. All can cover half and hooker, and can be trained to be a centre. All have the ability to be decent utilities.

Why not? Anasta has a kicking game, and experience in forwards and backs. Again, what can cutie offer?

Bowen's been a sucessful utility in Origin before - won a series with a try I recall. Rogers has played fullback, wing, centre and pivot before. His age? How old is Heather and our front row, or Fitzgibbon?




Bennet got punted!

Is this bloke for real?

Inglis doesnt perform in big matches :lol:

 

[TheParraboy]

yeh, have to say, Congrats to NZ, well deserved and wonderful passion, which they carried right through to the end of the 80 minutes. Smells distinctly of Bennett. The Haka to start the game was awesome, and this will be great for the international game, and a kick in the pants to us ego-centric Aussies somewhat.


My thoughts though, was, besides Civeniceva who toiled hard but missed his mate Price, we had no one willing to do the hard yards. Fitzgibbon, Perry, Watmough, Kite, didn't stand up imo. Someone like Myles woulda been perfectly suited to an occasion like this, big engine, big heart, goes strong to the 80th minute, and can make some momentum-changing tackles late in the game like he's done for Qld a few times now.

yeah, along with the others, I thought Perry had an awefully quiet game too

 

[gurudave]

coach and selectors should be auto sacked. k hunt in the side and australia win as expected. billy sh*tter in the side and loss....... australia losing a one team world cup is a disgrace lets face it. its like australia losing to solomon islands in a football game. new coach and new selectors plz.

 

[Perth Red]

No props for cover and Hunte wasted sat on the bench all game. Yep great tactics and squad decisions!