RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

[Noa]

And that attitude is soooooo NRL-centric. People who are involved in grassroots football and care about the international game know how little NRL clubs do for the game at those levels now. Why would they be trusted to do the right thing in the future? It's typical of NRL fans, who don't know or care about the game outside their club, to think the NRL is the be all and end all of the game and to suggest that the rest of the game should be subservient to the NRL. The NRL fails without the rest of the game.

And that attitude is so ignorant and arrogant.

To say we on here dont care about grassroots football is stupid. Everyone on here cares about it, we were all involved in it at some point or still are, we realsie its importance and that it cant be neglected, Im sure the clubs do to. Lets look at 2 clubs in the Titans and the Storm, who have been heavily involved in this, they are doing magnificent work at the grassroots level. Seems to me ECT, and I take it your in the country, your beef should be with some-one else.


TBH ECT you are coming across as some-one worried about their own position as much as anything else.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

My own position? What would that be? Concerned supporter?

Have a look at the people who are not swallowing this whole and are questioning this commission on here. They are all people who clearly have an interest in the game outside the NRL, whether it be country football, internationals or some other level. And contrast it with people who don't seem to even recognise there is a game outside the NRL. Like people who think that because the NRL has the money that it has the right to tell everyione else what to do, even the people who make the NRL what it is and without whom there would be no NRL. And those who don't seem to think it's a conflict of interest that clubs have power over rep football or that there's nothing wrong with a New Zealand club effectively part owning and running Australian Rugby League. Those who are saying "hang on a minute" are those who understand that the NRL is not all there is. This proposal at present has been written entirely to serve the club's interests at NRL level. Not nearly enough consideration has been given to anything outside the NRL. It's an after-thought. Which is why it makes no sense. It hasn't been thought through properly. How the hell can a New Zealand club be involved in the election of a body to run RL in Australia? I don't think anyone has even considered this ridiculous situation, and others, because they only care about the top level of the game.

 

[bartman]

I read the quote from the QRL guy in the SMHerald article today, and to be honest, it made good sense to me.

He was saying we want News out of the game as promised, and that means News gives up their 50% to the clubs.

The game could have a model where the clubs have 50% power, and the league (ARL, or restructure it and call it what you want) has the other 50% - thus protecting the development, the bush leagues, the rep scene etc from 100% "clubs interests". Then they can each appoint 4 directors to an independent commission in the new structure, not the clubs appointing the whole 8. Strangely enough that's the same power split that Super League in England adopted all those years ago, and it seems to have worked ok over there.

If we open the door to 100% (club or player manager) greed, then we'll go back to the bad pre-salary cap and pre-ARL expansion days, where clubs overspent to achieve in the short-term and players went unpaid while clubs folded.

 

[Loudstrat]

News are only leaving the game if the ARL is disbanded.

One wonders what their vested interest is.

 

[Loudstrat]

And that attitude is so ignorant and arrogant.

To say we on here dont care about grassroots football is stupid. Everyone on here cares about it, we were all involved in it at some point or still are, we realsie its importance and that it cant be neglected, Im sure the clubs do to. Lets look at 2 clubs in the Titans and the Storm, who have been heavily involved in this, they are doing magnificent work at the grassroots level. Seems to me ECT, and I take it your in the country, your beef should be with some-one else.


TBH ECT you are coming across as some-one worried about their own position as much as anything else.

See how good the Storm are when they have 3000 junior teams to fund. And that's only their territory. Do the Storm do anything for regional RL in NSW or QLD?

 

[bartman]

News are only leaving the game if the ARL is disbanded.

One wonders what their vested interest is.

A petty grudge... or perhaps something more sinister?

I think a lot of people have just bought the News Ltd line on this independent commission hook line and sinker without looking too deeply. (And Gus Gould's same line to be fair, even though he writes for the other mob but is known for letting his personal agendas interfere with his analysis anyway).

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Funny thing is, News Ltd own 2 clubs, so in effect, they would still have some ownership of the game and the ARL would have none.

 

[bartman]

Good point. So what News is after is unequal after all...

 

[Noa]

Have a look at the people who are not swallowing this whole and are questioning this commission on here. They are all people who clearly have an interest in the game outside the NRL, whether it be country football, internationals or some other level.

Is that people on here, coz god love em, I dont know who they are or what agendas they have. Or are you talking about people in the establishment who's job security seems to be under threat all of a sudden

And contrast it with people who don't seem to even recognise there is a game outside the NRL. Like people who think that because the NRL has the money that it has the right to tell everyione else what to do, even the people who make the NRL what it is and without whom there would be no NRL.

No one thinks like that, no-ones saying it and if they do show me some quotes. People agreeing with what the clubs wants to do has no correalation with with the above paragraph at all. Thats textbook shock-jock propaganda.

And those who don't seem to think it's a conflict of interest that clubs have power over rep football or that there's nothing wrong with a New Zealand club effectively part owning and running Australian Rugby League.

Once the clubs cede control to the commision, thats it. Its over. They will basically have given up any form of control in Rugby League whatsoever, save for a scenario they feel so passionate about that 87% of them will have to agree on it too change anything. Sure the INDEPENDANT COMMISSION may make changes to the calender, but thats something we all think is necessary. And allowing Brisbane into the NSWRL didnt spell the end of football in Dubbo, cant see NZ having one vote changing much. In fact this will be the best thing for league in NZ

Those who are saying "hang on a minute" are those who understand that the NRL is not all there is. This proposal at present has been written entirely to serve the club's interests at NRL level. Not nearly enough consideration has been given to anything outside the NRL. It's an after-thought

Again, hot-air based on mistrust which is all your really going on. Which is fine. But please stop making out your the ONLY one thinking things through and we're but mere puppets, incapable of thought.

Which is why it makes no sense. It hasn't been thought through properly. How the hell can a New Zealand club be involved in the election of a body to run RL in Australia?

When that country provides minimum $15-$20 million a year to the NRL (and will only get bigger) when that country is the birthplace for, wild guess, 20-25% of players in the competition (not too mention countless others in grassroots football) and when that country provides a sporting contest that, IMO, will overtake SOO in 15-20 years as the greatest test of Rugby League there is, I think its fair to let them make up 6.25 % of the vote.

I don't think anyone has even considered this ridiculous situation, and others, because they only care about the top level of the game.

No your right, its only you ECT who know all the answers, in fact I think you should be the first Chairman.

 

[Loudstrat]

Have you got anything other than rhetoric and bullsh*t propaganda?

What representation do country based clubs have on the commission?

 

[Noa]

Have you got anything other than rhetoric and bullsh*t propaganda?

Does anyone, its all rhetoric and suppostion at the moment, from everyone on here.

What representation do country based clubs have on the commission

Do they need one, doesnt that make an independant commission just a commission.

Are you telling me that if we adpot a model similar to the AFL, with a boss with the same power as Fat Andy that rural areas will be neglected. It just wont happen and anyone who says otherwise is scaremongering.

If the right model is chosen, the right decisions will be made
If the right people are chosen, the right decisions will be made.
Its that friggen simple.

 

[bartman]

The point being made is that this - NRL clubs appointing 100% of the 8 commissioners - isn't the right model.

 

[Noa]

But how do we know till we see the candidates. Imo respected businessman and woman arent going to volunteer just to be puppets of clubs and i dont think the clubs will vote people on just to do there bidding.


I'll say it again, the AFL do it this way, the NBA do it this way and the NFL do it this way. The 3 best run sports organisations in the world.

 

[nadera78]

But how do we know till we see the candidates. Imo respected businessman and woman arent going to volunteer just to be puppets of clubs and i dont think the clubs will vote people on just to do there bidding.


I'll say it again, the AFL do it this way, the NBA do it this way and the NFL do it this way. The 3 best run sports organisations in the world.

Those organisations only have to look after a competition, they have no role in the development of their sports or the amateur game or the schools game. They are there purely and simply to make sure that the NFL or NBA is running nicely, has good sponsorship and TV deals, and that clubs are profitable.

The IC might well have very different roles to those organisations listed above, in which case it would be wrong for the commissioners to be elected solely by 16 clubs with vested interests.

 

[Quidgybo]

Those organisations only have to look after a competition, they have no role in the development of their sports or the amateur game or the schools game. They are there purely and simply to make sure that the NFL or NBA is running nicely, has good sponsorship and TV deals, and that clubs are profitable.

So how does that explain the tens of millions of dollars the AFL is plowing into grassroots development in NSW and QLD? That's money that could be going to solve the financial difficulties of a couple of Victorian clubs or to further topping up the wages of the next Gary Ablett. But it isn't, it's going to Development Officers and parks in Blacktown. Why should we expect any different from an NRL commission proposed along the same model?

Leigh

 

[siv]

There is a lot of talk about money being generated by the TV rights deal but little about the money churn occuring across RL in Australia

And we know that the NRL comp runs on about $15 mil per club x 16 about $240 mil all up

So what is the money turnovers outside of the NRL comp

About $10 mil for all of the junior registration fees and running junior comps
I'd say around $25 mil for NSW Cup & Qld Cup
And maybe $75 mil across all of the A-grade comps

Then the revenue from rep football
- RLWC riased in order of $60 mil

And I'd say SOO make around $80 mil

So when you tally all of that up yu will see that Junior-Rep footabll ($250 mil) is on par financially with the main NRL comp ($240 mil)

So a 50-50 ARL / the clubs split is very sensible for the ARLC

 

[Noa]

Those organisations only have to look after a competition, they have no role in the development of their sports or the amateur game or the schools game. They are there purely and simply to make sure that the NFL or NBA is running nicely, has good sponsorship and TV deals, and that clubs are profitable.

The IC might well have very different roles to those organisations listed above, in which case it would be wrong for the commissioners to be elected solely by 16 clubs with vested interests.

Maybe the NBA and NFL dont actually run the grassroots level of the game but they have a massive influence on the decisions made, especailly the NFL. And they do more at the community level then any sport in Australia (or the world for that matter) has ever done.

And sure clubs may have vested interests in who they vote for, but they are not all the same, which should ensure a diverse commission. Anyway I'll wait till I see the nominees before I start getting paranoid.

 

[Loudstrat]

Are you telling me that if we adpot a model similar to the AFL, with a boss with the same power as Fat Andy that rural areas will be neglected. It just wont happen and anyone who says otherwise is scaremongering.

If the right model is chosen, the right decisions will be made
If the right people are chosen, the right decisions will be made.
Its that friggen simple.

Crap.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

And News Ltd want to leave it in a certain way that benefits them - they still want some power/control, while killing off the ARL structure.

In other words, this is the final battle of Super League. And the cost will be junior and bush footy.

Did you not think it odd that there were representatives of only ONE competition at the seminar? Again, who represented Group 9? Who represented the Referees Association? Who represented the coaching accreditation?

But how do we know till we see the candidates. Imo respected businessman and woman arent going to volunteer just to be puppets of clubs and i dont think the clubs will vote people on just to do there bidding.

The power lies with the clubs, who won't approve anyone who will work against them. FFS, News Ltd aren't even giving up control - they stand to gain more control in fact as I see it.

I'll say it again, the AFL do it this way, the NBA do it this way and the NFL do it this way. The 3 best run sports organisations in the world.

:lol::lol: You poor brainwashed f*cktard!!!!!!!!!

AFL is a laughing stock mate. They are pouring millions into places that think it's a stupid passtime, and always will. They are obsessed with spending big $ luring players from a code with an entirely different skills set. In over a century they have not spread beyond the 3 southern states except for 2 expat fuelled clubs in Sydney and Brisbane.

If you want a successful model from another sport, look no further than what Lowy has done with Soccer. A League hasn't declared war on anyone, or pissed anyone off. They have quietly gone about their business and now they have a solid comp and a national side finally given due access to the World Cup.

So how does that explain the tens of millions of dollars the AFL is plowing into grassroots development in NSW and QLD? That's money that could be going to solve the financial difficulties of a couple of Victorian clubs or to further topping up the wages of the next Gary Ablett. But it isn't, it's going to Development Officers and parks in Blacktown. Why should we expect any different from an NRL commission proposed along the same model?

Leigh

3 points.

1) The AFL is not at the beck and call of News Ltd, nor does it prop up any of it's clubs

2) Who knows what their funding structure is toward rural teams in Vic, SA, WA and Tas - and what say do these teams have?

3) The return for the $ invested in NSW and QLD is poor - they only do that because they are obsessed with driving League out. How long have the Swans been in Sydney for - and how long will it take for the average Sydneysider to adopt them as their team? It's been, what, a quarter of a century so far?

 

[Noa]

Crap.



:lol::lol: You poor brainwashed f*cktard!!!!!!!!!

AFL is a laughing stock mate. They are pouring millions into places that think it's a stupid passtime, and always will. They are obsessed with spending big $ luring players from a code with an entirely different skills set. In over a century they have not spread beyond the 3 southern states except for 2 expat fuelled clubs in Sydney and Brisbane.


1) The AFL is not at the beck and call of News Ltd, nor does it prop up any of it's clubs

?

You expect to be taken seriously with that comment. They prop up Demons, Kangaroos, Bulldogs, Swans, Lions, Gold Coast, WS, Richmond all through some form or other.

NFI.

As for your first statement , I realise that the AFL is pissing money away in a desperate attempt to get more market share, but that doesnt take away the fact they have an incredibly well run organisational structure (not there fault their product is sh*te), anyone who says otherwise is a mor.....

 

[East Coast Tiger]

The AFL has NO international scene. Their commission has no say on international matters because there are none. We have an international structure based on national governing bodies or the RLIF (made up of national bodies) organising World Cups, tours, Four Nations and other events. No other country has a club-based organisation representing them at international level. There is a reason for this. If we want to give clubs power over international football then expect more World Sevens situations. Clubs don't want the comp to happen because they don't want their players playing an hour of (practically touch) football, so it dies. If we want to be like the AFL then this proposal will do that - ie: we'll have no international football either.