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Robert De Niro...The Greatest Actor Of All-Time...

Danish

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lol What like Mean Steets, Godfather Part II, Taxi Driver, The Deer Hunter, Raging Bull, Once Upon a Time in America, Goodfellas, Cape Fear, This Boy's Life, Heat...

All completely different characters, just to name a few. And all brilliant performances.


I'll rephrase. Every movie since about Good Fellas he's played basically the same character. Prior to that he was a little more varied.

Even so, acting has to be one of the most overrated skills on the planet.
 

Springs

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There's no doubt Brando was a tosser.

But much like what happens away from the field in footy , what happens away from the cameras doesn't change his greatness.

Just because it came incredibly naturally to Brando doesn't change the fact he was an incredible actor.

Eh, before Godfather sure. In the 50s when he might have been a bit more humble yeah he was great to watch. After the Godfather though he seemed obsessed with his own talent and was average. No real good performances in his last 30 odd years in my opinion. Apocalypse Now he plays a fat dickhead, which is what he was at the time.

meh, we're all inclined to nominate actors we prefer more than who we think is the best/greatest...

That's the other key to acting. Everyone has a most hated actor and can stand any performance they give. Anne Hathaway is mine. She is good sure, but pisses me off so much all I see and hear when she is on screen is a smug or whiny Anne.

I didn't recognise De Niro in the Godfather II, but that was one of his first major roles. The only others were Taxi Driver and Frankenstein, which was a poor movie but his performance made it better (which is rare). Goodfellas is a great movie but De Niro plays classic Italian mobster De Niro, and Pesci's energy in that films outshines everything.

The other thing I love about Daniel Day-Lewis is that he shuns the celebrity side of things. He is a complete professional in ever sense. I'd say about 3/4 of A-list hollywood actors are celebrities first, actors second. Day-Lewis is an actor in every sense of the word. In my opinion when it comes to acting, a lot of amateur or professional stage actors are better at acting in the purest sense of the word than a lot of celebrities, who are only cast because of their star power. Day-Lewis though is chosen not because of his success or Academy awards, he is cast because often he is the only actor that can pull off the type of performance the film needs.

Watching indie movies, foreign movies, movies with kids, movies with actors who have never acted before, they can pull off performances just as good or better than the average celebrity actor. Film acting is overrated as a craft. It is rare that a film's acting is as important as the directing or writing. Most of the time they are cast because of their resemblance to the image the writer wanted for the character, or for their pulling power at the box office.

Johnny Depp is another who I think could be Day-Lewis like in talent, if he didn't keep taking pale face, crazy hair Tim Burton roles in which he just plays over-acted weird characters.
 

Springs

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I'll rephrase. Every movie since about Good Fellas he's played basically the same character. Prior to that he was a little more varied.

Even so, acting has to be one of the most overrated skills on the planet.

Bingo.

What's with all the DDL love?

Because he's quite easily the single best, most professional actor on the planet. His three Oscars aren't a fluke.
 

Springs

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Cate Blanchett will be remembered alongside them.

Average in my opinion. Her stage work is better. She always looks too forced on screen.

Can't stand in Lord of the Rings where she takes a minute to shift her eyes or turn her head, like that would make her graceful or mysterious.

And Bruce Willis = one of my favourites. As an entertainer he is unbeaten. And add Moonrise Kingdom to his list of good non-action roles. Plays an old incompetent sheriff who doesn't have a lot of common sense and is hilarious.
 

Amadaca

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You should see Blanchett in The Aviator. Very over-rated film, but she's brilliant.

I love Bruce Willis, always have, & I am an enormous Wes Anderson fan. I was so let down by Moonrise Kingdom. Disappointment of the year, IMO.
 
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God-King Dean

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I have not once been able to watch De Niro cry in a movie, without pmsl.

I like De Niro, but watching him cry is embarrassing.

Another name I'll throw in there is Betty Davis. Never seen anyone play a better bitch.
 

Springs

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You should see Blanchett in The Aviator. Very over-rated film, but she's brilliant.

I love Bruce Willis, always have, & I am an enormous Wes Anderson fan. I was so let down by Moonrise Kingdom. Disappointment of the year, IMO.

You have got to be kidding, on both counts.
 

Tommy Smith

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Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but some of the stuff written in here is just crap. Being a truly great actor is incredibly difficult and certainly not over-rated.

Furthermore, De Niro doesn't "have the same face" in every role. Just because he doesn't take on eccentic roles or ones which require a lot make-up work like Daniel Day-Lewis (Gangs of New York, There Will Be Blood, My Left Foot, Lincoln) doesn't mean he doesn't transform himself any less.

De Niro's roles in Taxi Driver and Raging Bull are the peak of acting. His face wasn't unrecognisable, but his personality and expressions absolutely were.

The fact that Martin Scorsese used him in so many films speaks volumes for his ability.

And for the record, im a huge fan of DDL. He's an extraordinary actor who chooses his roles very role. Every movie he makes (except Nine) is something worth watching.

But De Niro isn't any less talented, no way.
 

Springs

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Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but some of the stuff written in here is just crap. Being a truly great actor is incredibly difficult and certainly not over-rated.

Furthermore, De Niro doesn't "have the same face" in every role. Just because he doesn't take on eccentic roles or ones which require a lot make-up work like Daniel Day-Lewis (Gangs of New York, There Will Be Blood, My Left Foot, Lincoln) doesn't mean he doesn't transform himself any less.

De Niro's roles in Taxi Driver and Raging Bull are the peak of acting. His face wasn't unrecognisable, but his personality and expressions absolutely were.

The fact that Martin Scorsese used him in so many films speaks volumes for his ability.

And for the record, im a huge fan of DDL. He's an extraordinary actor who chooses his roles very role. Every movie he makes (except Nine) is something worth watching.

But De Niro isn't any less talented, no way.

And you're basing this on?
It's hard to do what Day-Lewis and Oldman do, to do what De Niro sometimes does is hard as well. For the vast majority of roles in films, it's not hard at all. That's why 8 year old kids can do it with no experience.

There are far, far more difficult things than acting in this world. The craft does not deserve the attention and respect it gets. The fact that along with singers they are some of the most famous people in the world is complete crap.

The fact Scorcese used him in films speaks volumes about their friendship. They worked together well and clearly liked and respected each other.

As Alfred Hitchcock said, the 3 most important things in a film is the script, the script and the script. I can't stand when people make a big deal when 'this actor improvised that line all by himself! He's such a talent', but what about the other thousand lines in the damn thing? Oh that's right, it's just the writer's job.

The fact that it's very, very rare that a non-English speaking or god-forbid, a stage actor is ever involved in a discussion about acting speaks volumes about how it's more of a celebrity thing and a subjective thing than an acting thing.
 

Springs

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Not to mention it's rare to see an actor get a leading role when he or she isn't considered incredibly attractive by popular standards. When it comes to casting a big film, most of the time it's about the name or about the looks.
 

Amadaca

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Again, I mention Postlethwaite. Ugly as sin & never truly a celebrity, but who could watch him in In The Name Of The Father & say he was anything less than Day-Lewis' equal?

While I'm inclined to agree with those arguing acting is over-rated, a well-acted scene or overall performance is a thing of beauty (look at Robert Shaws monologue about the Indianapolis in Jaws).
 
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Amadaca

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Not to mention it's rare to see an actor get a leading role when he or she isn't considered incredibly attractive by popular standards. When it comes to casting a big film, most of the time it's about the name or about the looks.

This is sadly true. Scarlett Johansson & Jessica Biel instantly come to mind. I especially use Biel as a guideline to a films quality, be it comedy, action, what have you. If Biel is in the cast, bank on the movie being garbage. Johansson gets meatier roles, but that only highlights her ineptitude.

The best thing this trend provides us (eye candy aside) is that it makes us appreciate hotties who can act (a dying breed) such as Jennifer Connelly or Julianne Moore (in their primes).
 
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I've never seen anything thing better than Pacino in the early to mid '70s

He was absolutely phenomenal in Godfather I & II, Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon and Scarecrow (very underrated film imo)
 

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DeNiro, Pacino, Hoffman, Nicholson, Hanks, Daniel Day Lewis, Walken, Penn, Duvall, Denzel Washington, Kevin Spacey, Ed Norton, Dicaprio and Clint Eastowood. All living legends.
 
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DeNiro, Pacino, Hoffman, Nicholson, Hanks, Daniel Day Lewis, Walken, Penn, Duvall, Denzel Washington, Kevin Spacey, Ed Norton, Dicaprio and Clint Eastowood. All living legends.

Eastwood is garbage as an actor. Absurd.

Great director though.
 
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I've never seen anything thing better than Pacino in the early to mid '70s

He was absolutely phenomenal in Godfather I & II, Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon and Scarecrow (very underrated film imo)

I probably rate Pacino slightly higher than de Niro , but I'd say de Niro pips Pacino in the 70's.


Godfather 2.
Raging bull
Taxi Driver
mean streets
1900


De Niro as the young Vito stole the picture in godfather 2.
 

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