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Roebuck - Arrogant Ponting must be fired

Eddie.

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A very Explosive article. Not without merit probably. Ponting has lacked class for a long time in regards to opposing teams.

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Arrogant Ponting must be fired
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The Australian captain's disrespect for his opponents has embarrassed his country, writes Peter Roebuck


RICKY PONTING must be sacked as captain of the Australian cricket team. If Cricket Australia cares a fig for the tattered reputation of our national team in our national sport, it will not for a moment longer tolerate the sort of arrogant and abrasive conduct seen from the captain and his senior players over the past few days. Beyond comparison it was the ugliest performance put up by an Australian side for 20 years. The only surprising part of it is that the Indians have not packed their bags and gone home. There is no justice for them in this country, nor any manners.

That the senior players in the Australian team are oblivious to the fury they raised among many followers of the game in this country and beyond merely confirms their own narrow and self-obsessed viewpoint. Doubtless they were not exposed to the messages that poured in from distressed enthusiasts aghast to see the scenes of bad sportsmanship and triumphalism presented at the SCG during and after the Test. Pained past players rang to express their disgust.

It was a wretched and ill-mannered display and not to be endured from any side, let alone an international outfit representing a proud sporting nation.
Make no mistake, it is not only the reputation of these cricketers that has suffered. Australia itself has been embarrassed. The notion that Ponting can hereafter take the Australian team to India is preposterous. He has shown not the slightest interest in the well-being of the game, not the slightest sign of diplomatic skills, not a single mark of respect for his accomplished and widely admired opponents.

Harbhajan Singh can be an irritating young man but he is head of a family and responsible for raising nine people. And all the Australian elders want to do is to hunt him from the game. Australian fieldsmen fire insults from the corners of their mouths, an intemperate Sikh warrior overreacts and his rudeness is seized upon. It might impress barrack room lawyers.

In the past few days Ponting has presided over a performance that dragged the game into the pits. He turned a group of professional cricketers into a pack of wild dogs. As much can be told from the conduct of his closest allies in the team. As usual, Matthew Hayden crossed himself upon reaching three figures in his commanding second innings, a gesture he does not perform while wearing the colours of his state. Exactly how he combines his faith with throwing his weight around on the field has long bemused opposing sides, whose fondness for him ran out a long time ago. Hayden has much better in him.

Michael Clarke also had a dreadful match but he is a young man and has time to rethink his outlook. That his mind was in disarray could be told from his batting. In the first innings he offered no shot to a straight ball and in the second he remained at the crease after giving an easy catch to slip. On this evidence Clarke cannot be promoted to the vice-captaincy of his country. It is a captain's primary task to rear his younger players and to prepare his successor for the ordeals of office. Nothing need be said about the catch Clarke took in the second innings except that in the prevailing circumstances the umpires were ill-advised to take anyone's word for anything.

The Indians were convinced Ponting grounded a catch he claimed on the final afternoon at the SCG. Throughout those heated hours, the Australian remained hostile, kicking the ground, demanding decisions, pressuring the umpires. So much for the corporate smile that has been produced these last few years.

Probably the worst aspect of the Australians' performance was their conduct at the end. When the last catch was taken they formed into a huddle and started jumping up and down like teenagers at a rave. It was not euphoria. It was ecstasy. They had swallowed a dangerous pill called vengeance. Not one player so much as thought about shaking hands with the defeated and departing. So much for Andrew Flintoff consoling a stricken opponent in his hour of defeat.

Nor could Ponting and Gilchrist stop themselves publicly chiding Tony Greig for daring to criticise the timing of the declaration. They should have been thanking their lucky stars that three wickets had fallen in five balls, one of them in dubious circumstances. Australia had 150 runs and five minutes to spare. It was unfitting conduct from an Australian captain or vice-captain. By all accounts Ponting was later rude towards Indian reporters at his news conference.

Ponting has not provided the leadership expected from an Australian cricket captain and so must be sacked. On this evidence the time has also come to thank Hayden and Gilchrist for their services. None of them are bad fellows. All will look back on this match not as their finest hour but their worst. Obviously a new captain and side is required. But that is a task for another day. It is possible to love a country and not its cricket team.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/01/07/1199554571883.html
 

Eddie.

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Ponting is undoubtably a great player and is becoming a great captain with the way the team has performed. However the way he carries himself and speaks about opposing teams and players is crass and disrespectful at times.
 

JW

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As usual, Matthew Hayden crossed himself upon reaching three figures in his commanding second innings, a gesture he does not perform while wearing the colours of his state. Exactly how he combines his faith with throwing his weight around on the field has long bemused opposing sides, whose fondness for him ran out a long time ago. Hayden has much better in him.

And what the f*ck does that have to do with anything? :lol:
 

Eddie.

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I think his points against Hayden, Gilchrist and Clarke are far less valid, and make him look as if he does have an axe to grind.

However i think he makes some fair points with Ponting (the crux of the article). I know of alot of Australian fans that don't overaly like the way he carries himself.
 

Ziggy the God

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This is the beginning of the end for Ponting.

I cannot wait to see that smug prick out of the side.
 

TheParraboy

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Ziggy the God said:
This is the beginning of the end for Ponting.

I cannot wait to see that smug prick out of the side.

another 3-4 years or so...when he retires :cool:
 

HevyDevy

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Eddie. said:
As usual, Matthew Hayden crossed himself upon reaching three figures in his commanding second innings, a gesture he does not perform while wearing the colours of his state. Exactly how he combines his faith with throwing his weight around on the field has long bemused opposing sides, whose fondness for him ran out a long time ago. Hayden has much better in him.

Probably the worst aspect of the Australians' performance was their conduct at the end. When the last catch was taken they formed into a huddle and started jumping up and down like teenagers at a rave. It was not euphoria. It was ecstasy. They had swallowed a dangerous pill called vengeance. Not one player so much as thought about shaking hands with the defeated and departing. So much for Andrew Flintoff consoling a stricken opponent in his hour of defeat.

I agree with Roebuck re: Clarke but what he says in these two instances is disgraceful.

How could he possibly target Hayden for his faith? Disgraceful. Sour grapes if ever I've seen them
 
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Yep.

It's a well known fact in world sporting circles that the best time to sack your captain is after 16 or 17 wins in a row.

All you have to do is make up a few excuses....
 

Danish

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:lol:


What a classic article. Cricketers of ALL nations have been sledging for decades. Steve Waugh was one of the best at it in the game and stories of the various sledging matches going on during his era are now spoken of fondly in pubs around the nation.

The best part is that he goes the ENTIRE article without actually explaining at any stage his reasons for believing that the last test was an embarrassment for our country. I suppose he tries with his points on Clarke, but then again why he believes a player should walk prior to being given out by the umpire is beyond me. I notice he didn't have too much to say about Ganguly or Dravid in that regard, let alone the pure decent shown by Dravid, shaking his head and bashing his bat into the ground (something any Aussie player would have been fined for).

It never ceases to amaze me that, like clockwork, all the asian teams (and at times NZ) have a big ol' cry midway through their tour of australia relating to the "honour system" that Ponting asks all touring captains to embrace when it comes to catches in the field. Funnily enough they normally come when Australia looks to have the series wrapped up. Sour grapes??

Ponting is the greatest cricketer in the world today. His batting average is ridiculous for the amount of tests he has played, and he is averaging over 60 in his time as captain He is one of the most successful captains of all time, and will finish his career after having broken a stack of batting records, including most runs and most centuries ever.

Yup, lets sack him :sarcasm:
 

Twizzle

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what a rubbish article, some one has a axe to grind

for example

They should have been thanking their lucky stars that three wickets had fallen in five balls, one of them in dubious circumstances.

the wickets just fell by themselves, ffs
 

salivor

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Danish said:
I notice he didn't have too much to say about Ganguly or Dravid in that regard, let alone the pure decent shown by Dravid, shaking his head and bashing his bat into the ground (something any Aussie player would have been fined for).

An Australian would be fined for it would they? Well Ponting did the same thing in the first innings, has he been fined?
 

JJ

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Danish said:
let alone the pure decent shown by Dravid,

yes, Dravid is thoroughly decent

given you seem to have missed Roebuck's point perhaps your should read it again, and again...

Sorry, but being the best team in the world doesn't mean that how you are behaving is appropriate. The descent of this team's behaviour since Ponting took over has been clear and staggering - the legacy it's leaving is not a pretty one, and the comments of some Australians in this forum don't reflect well on them.
 

JJ

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Twizzle said:
the wickets just fell by themselves, ffs

No, but it was a lucky win - and Gilchrist and Ponting's petulant displays about the valid criticism of the declaration are just further evidence that they have lost the plot - but don't worry, we don't expect much to change
 

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salivor said:
An Australian would be fined for it would they? Well Ponting did the same thing in the first innings, has he been fined?

no he didn't, hence he wasn't fined
 

Twizzle

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JJ said:
No, but it was a lucky win - and Gilchrist and Ponting's petulant displays about the valid criticism of the declaration are just further evidence that they have lost the plot - but don't worry, we don't expect much to change

haha

nice one

so it was a poor declaration ?

check out the result

how dare they defend their decision or celebrate a victory,

terrible behavior :roll:
 

JJ

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the result doesn't absolve the behaviour - FFS, it is possible to behave with some grace and dignity, especially when you are as good as they are
 
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JJ said:
the result doesn't absolve the behaviour - FFS, it is possible to behave with some grace and dignity, especially when you are as good as they are

what exaclty was it about their behaviour that you objected to?
 

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