Rothery over Thurling????

[Sydney_Raider]

Can someone explain how Rothery is in the starting 17 (thompson out) this weekend after not even playing last week and Thurling remains in Premier League? Thurling has been clearly better than Rothery, Williams & Hodgson all year. Next thing Kahler will be a late inclusion for Tongue!!!

 

[Stuart]

I think its pretty obvious Thurling's non selection isnt because of form...

 

[thickos]

Yeah Stu that theory has been bandied about a bit recently. But does anyone have anything that can support it? Is he a bit of a party animal or something and this is disciplinary?

 

[FullySick]

Id like to think his non selection isnt because of form, that some unfortunate situation with the club has led to some disciplinary action, but then again, we did keep gafa and purtell in firsts for extended periods as well at the expense of better options.

 

[Stuart]

Yeah Stu that theory has been bandied about a bit recently. But does anyone have anything that can support it? Is he a bit of a party animal or something and this is disciplinary?

Nothing to support it, i just cant think of any other reason, surely elliot isnt that bad a judge of form. Thurling was amongst our best when in FG and was by all reports excellent in PL last week.

 

[Timbo]

Elliot can be bone-headed, but nothing this stupid.

However, the first time he was dropped while in good form he was re-included the following week at the last second in #18 so I'm stumped.

 

[hotdogs]

In saying this its the same with what happened to raston he played well in our terms overall, but 3 weeks in a row which were his 3 fg games he was told about his inside marking on defence and he didn't fix the problem which led to 3 tries against us caused by him, which was y he was dropped and told to go clean it up, maybe thats whats happened to trevor, we think hes doing well but there might be something small wrong with him y he's learning in PL.
i heard last night both raston and weyman are on stand-by for the game not sure who's in doubt though. but apparently weyman doesn't think he's ready yet, which answers our questions so far as to y he's not playing. i think thats fair enough for him he knows how fast FG is and how fit he'll need to be he probably doesn't want to go out there and embarrass himself by not being prepared. i don't think we really realise how much fastest and different FG is compared to PL. i think good on him come back when hes ready, hes been out for soooooo long!!!!but good to c raston back in the frame of things.

 

[Raider Azz]

i agree hotdogs, i think weyman should be given all the time in the world to come back, when HE'S ready. no need to change the team too much at this point anyway, a bit of consistancy is always good.

 

[dubby]

i agree hotdogs, i think weyman should be given all the time in the world to come back, when HE'S ready. no need to change the team too much at this point anyway, a bit of consistancy is always good.

Damn straight....

 

[Sydney_Raider]

Is is interesting what you have said about Raston because watching Premier League last Sunday, he got beaten in defence a couple of times by players stepping back to his inside. Reading between the lines you would thing if those 2 are on standby then Tongue will be out. It is a bit of a concern that the 2 forwards with the highest work rate are going to be out and if Weyman and Raston are on standby it adds further weight to the idea that Thurling was dropped for discipline reasons. If there has been an incident it must have been decent, it is now 4 weeks since he was named in first grade.

 

[Edwahu]

I think he was dropped for form. The last couple of games before he was dropped were not great peformances and he had limited game time. He is unlucky in that he is not one of the players who gets a million chances and copped it after just a couple of average efforts.

 

[Boing Boing]

The PL players are being rotated to give them all some experience. Can nobody else see it??

 

[hotdogs]

The PL players are being rotated to give them all some experience. Can nobody else see it??

what just the front rowers? i highly doubt that, this is not kids stuff where you give every player equal amount of time so no ones feelings get hurt!!!
raston was given a chance to prove at the beginning, didn't, defence, dropped, fair enough. williams trialed at starting prop, we all thought that he'd start the season there, didn't play last trial had to give it to players that had, raston and martin, fair call, dropped re-instated for good games, said by both cappy and elliott, then theres martin who didn't play overly great or under so was kept till injury, came back, played well was also re-instated, at the expence of thurling maybe, but thats the coaches call so we don't get a say in who we thinks better!!! tilse played medico IMO and was given a chance in FG and got injured, thats whats happened to PL and FG in the case of props i don't think its case of turns here its who plays well and deserves and can hold their place. i think we're just saying this cos everyones pissed theres no thurling if he was there i don't think we'd have a problem. if we look at rotation y is hodgo not in the mix, he did start the season in PL and at prop!

 

[edabomb]

One thing I've noticed with Thurling is the scrappy offloads he throws. I clearly remember at least two errors coming from him dumping it out the back on early tackles, without much control over where it's going. This could be cause for his dropping, as Elliott's gameplans revolve around low error counts.

 

[hotdogs]

One thing I've noticed with Thurling is the scrappy offloads he throws. I clearly remember at least two errors coming from him dumping it out the back on early tackles, without much control over where it's going. This could be cause for his dropping, as Elliott's gameplans revolve around low error counts.

yeah must say i've heard that one aswell with elliott, he's not to keen on offloading unless it is totally clear its a go-explains y we're so boring.
i think if it was an off field problem we would of heard about it by now, nothing ever stays under wraps!!! i think its something we've missed and well coaching staff aren't xactly gonna tell the media the problem!!!

 

[waltzing Meninga]

So we have a very good young promising forward in Trevor Thurling that is dumped for a supposed defensive problem, and we have a nuffy in Howell who continually misreads plays and lets in tries, who is constantly picked every week.

FFS Elliots answer to every problem is to drop them back to PL. Sure he may have made some defensive mistakes, but going back to PL sure isn't gonna fix it. The only times he will be exposed to this pressure in defense is in first grade. Same with Carney. Sure they are going to make mistakes, as does every young promising player, but sending them back to PL because of their mistakes is only going to hamper their development.

Tim Sheens last year could have sent half his side to PL early in the year for the amount of stupid mistakes and inconsistencies they were showing, but look what happened. He persisted with them, gave the young kids some time in FG to iron out their mistakes and look at the results. Elliot just has no idea on how to make a young talented player into a Good FG player

 

[hrundi99]

So we have a very good young promising forward in Trevor Thurling that is dumped for a supposed defensive problem, and we have a nuffy in Howell who continually misreads plays and lets in tries, who is constantly picked every week.

You don't know the reason he was dropped, but go ahead and judge the situation.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

You don't know the reason he was dropped, but go ahead and judge the situation.

i don't, Im just assuming what hotdogs is saying is true

 

[Raider Azz]

So we have a very good young promising forward in Trevor Thurling that is dumped for a supposed defensive problem, and we have a nuffy in Howell who continually misreads plays and lets in tries, who is constantly picked every week.

FFS Elliots answer to every problem is to drop them back to PL. Sure he may have made some defensive mistakes, but going back to PL sure isn't gonna fix it. The only times he will be exposed to this pressure in defense is in first grade. Same with Carney. Sure they are going to make mistakes, as does every young promising player, but sending them back to PL because of their mistakes is only going to hamper their development.

Tim Sheens last year could have sent half his side to PL early in the year for the amount of stupid mistakes and inconsistencies they were showing, but look what happened. He persisted with them, gave the young kids some time in FG to iron out their mistakes and look at the results. Elliot just has no idea on how to make a young talented player into a Good FG player

first you say elliot should drop howell who (according to you) "misreads plays and continuely lets in tries" (without any supporting evidence to that mind you), but then you sum up your argument by saying that elliot should follow sheens' suit last year by keeping the players in first grade "to iron out their mistakes". :? make up your mind!

premier league is where players go to "iron out their mistakes", not first grade. i'd like to see thurling in first grade as much as the next guy, but there was obviously an issue elliot had with one point of his game, and has obviously sent him back for that reason. similar situations occured with miller and tounge last year and the year before, and look what elliot has done with them. whilst i think it's time for elliot to move on as much as the next guy, and whilst i don't always agree with alot of his selections along with everyone else here, if theres one thing he knows it's developing forwards. we only need to see the work he's done with thomo, tounge and miller to see the proof.

 

[hrundi99]

i don't, Im just assuming what hotdogs is saying is true

So your argument is completely redundant then...?