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Round 10 | Knights 12-32 Cowboys @ Hunter | Sat 7.30pm

Round 10 result :: Knights vs Cowboys


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Bring it home Knights

First Grade
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The bench looks pretty good. It's been a long time since we had a bench that have the potential to get the team rolling forward like that one.
 
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Needs less Cuthbertson and more someone else who isn't cuthbertson but other than than probably the best we've got.
 

Rod

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If people think we get emo on here after a loss, have a look at the comments on Knights FB posts, such as the one naming the side today. I've never seen so much negativity, and most of their suggestions had me ](*,).
 

perverse

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Zeb has been good the past few weeks. minimal errors, shitloads of work. he's never going to be a prop that bangs it up the middle, if that's what you're asking from him though. our left edge attack is our only area of the field that is actually functioning quite well... and Zeb is a part of that. Zeb, Tahu and McManus have been doing great work on the left... and Zeb has been popping up all over the shop in defense. his kick chase has been really good, too.

so tell me, Holla, what exactly do you wish Zeb to step up to?
 
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If people think we get emo on here after a loss, have a look at the comments on Knights FB posts, such as the one naming the side today. I've never seen so much negativity, and most of their suggestions had me ](*,).


The mighty newcastle knights group are the biggest bunch of fools I have ever seen. I am always pointing out how idiodic they are. Not a brain cell between the lot of them.
 
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Our forum rules. That is all. The most rational footy debate i know comes from here. A truly passionate group of supporters we are. I see it as learning as much as opinions.
 

Yosh

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Zeb has been good the past few weeks. minimal errors, shitloads of work. he's never going to be a prop that bangs it up the middle, if that's what you're asking from him though. our left edge attack is our only area of the field that is actually functioning quite well... and Zeb is a part of that. Zeb, Tahu and McManus have been doing great work on the left... and Zeb has been popping up all over the shop in defense. his kick chase has been really good, too.

so tell me, Holla, what exactly do you wish Zeb to step up to?


He seems to be missing key tackles that lead to tries...
 

perverse

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When you're completing sets like we are, then someone is going to be missing them. the trick is don't let the opposition have 30+ tackles in your red zone.

you can isolate a players missed tackles all you like, but at the end of the day most of the tries scored against us this year would have been avoided had we simply held onto the pill. pointless to start finger pointing at individuals when the entire team has a serious lack of respect for possession.
 

Yosh

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You're right we're not playing the percentages. I'm stil meh on Taia at the moment.. We'll see. I'm willing to give him time but Cuthbo needs to get cut...
 

perverse

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I don't really condemn any of our players at the moment. cuthbo needed to be dropped when he was for sure... but that isn't to say i'd put a red line through his name. he wasn't fantastic on the weekend, but he was orders of magnitude better than he had been earlier in the season. i still don't think it's his time in this team yet, but I still very open to the possibility that his time will come.

the main problem i see is our attitude with the ball. we just can't seem to hold onto it. whatever is causing that at the moment is where i would lay the blame at present... whether it be an individual player, unrest amongst the group as a whole or something completely different. it needs to be fixed. i don't really want to be too presumptuous on what the reasons are... because i honestly don't have the foggiest idea.
 

perverse

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right, well when you're doing 30-50 tackles a match - a shitload of them on your own line under pressure due to drop balls, you're going to be pretty tired, too.

if he were missing such tackles at minute 5 or 10 in the match, then it would be a different story. this isn't the case, though.

as i said before, criticism at the moment on individual players is a little pointless. they are being asked to do far, far more than they should have to do in defense because no-one seems to care about retaining possession. our biggest problem is retaining possession, not that Zeb is missing tackles, or that Mullen can't organise, or that Roberts is a dud, or that Buderus is too old, or that our backs suck, or any other number of reasons you care to name. the simple fact is, we're dropping too much ball. week after week after week we drop way too much ball to win a match of football. most of the individual criticisms that the emos peddle out after every loss are simply due to too much drop ball.

honestly, where is the criticism for House not wrapping the ball up in a tackle for the Roosters 3rd try (or for McManus' lack of positioning on that play)? in fact, McManus had an absolute shocker against the Roosters compared to his usual standard. dropped high balls, caught out of position... it was a lousy day for him. what about Houston not even laying a finger on the ball runner for their final try? totally misread the play there. the answer is simple - House is immune to criticism around here and Zeb is fashionable to criticize at the moment. the truth of the matter is that they were both tired as f**k and couldn't get to their men. it all happened in the last 20 minutes of the game. picking out any of these individual moments is nonsense, we shouldn't have been in those positions in the first place if we were playing good football. the blame, first and foremost, is on the drop ball. when you're an 80 minute player that has been tackling all day due to your teams lack of ability to retain possession, you get bloody tired in that final 10 or 20 minutes. mistakes will compound themselves late in the game through fatigue. it's not rocket science.

but no, apparently Zeb is the one that needs to lift, because he isn't doing enough playing 80 minutes and doing the work of 2 blokes in defence. his tight functioning on our left edge in attack is useless. the bloke has to lift his game. JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
 
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Joker's Wild

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The mighty newcastle knights group are the biggest bunch of fools I have ever seen. I am always pointing out how idiodic they are. Not a brain cell between the lot of them.

f**king tell me about it. There are twits on there actually calling for Wes or Timana to move to the bench so we can have cover for the backs. Madness
 

Big Tim

First Grade
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Awesome post that told it like it is

Completely agree.

This forum goes through phases. Zeb is the current scapegoat, with Edwards, Boyd and Cuthbo.

You got it right with what caused the tries against us. The lack of ball control.

House has been around long enough now to avoid unwarranted, consistent criticism. Most of the people on the FB page would tell you he is a Knights junior.

I just wish he offered a bit more in attack at the moment, like he did in the past.
 
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Joker's Wild

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Shit, did someone pick on pervy's man crush? lol

Seriously though, its hard to disagree with what pervy has said. Zeb aint the problem, no individual in the side is. Our forwards are getting monstered and whether panic is setting in or just a case of the fumble fingers, they are turning over possession. You simply cant win games if you cant get out of your own 30m zone.

The only player who had no excuse for his shitty defence was Wes and he was promptly dropped to NSWCup.
 

perverse

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the criticism of Zeb was warranted earlier in the year, but he's getting better and better. the errors and missed tackles he was making earlier in the year were truly unforced and deserved scorn. he has cleaned up his act massively over probably the past month. he's still getting manhandled a bit with the ball (although less than earlier in the year - he looks like he's getting more confident)... but he's also running a lot more lines and functioning very well with T and co over on the left. he's also digging in and doing quite a lot of work that others just seem disinterested in.

the forum groupthink is just very slow at adapting. Zeb is busy getting back to his best whilst everyone seems to just want to stew on his early season form (which were really his first games he got to string together since breaking his neck). many blokes with Zebs injury never come back, many are never the same, but Zeb is truly bucking the trend. he's only played 11 games of football since having an injury that would end many careers. it would even be reasonable to say he may not be back to 100% until next year.

with Willie gaining fitness, McKinnon continuing to develop and Tetevano due back soon (i assume)... not to mention Costigan... it's not like Bennett doesn't have options. the worst Zeb has seen thus far has been a 1-week drop to the bench in round 2. since then his improvement has been obvious and consistent aside from another game where he had a true case of the dropsies (and who in the team hasn't?). i seriously feel that our backrow is the least of our worries at the moment. i think Bennett would be more than happy with Zebs progress and i feel his team selections reflect that. Zeb would be rotating with McKinnon far more often at the very least if there was an issue.

so yeah, have at my man crush... but make sure you can back it up beyond "burrr... he's missing some tackles". a FAR more legitimate criticism would be his lack of ability to get over the advantage line, particularly coming out of our own end... but the truth is he's never been particularly strong in this area. it's not really what he brings to the team. where you want Zeb is when you're in the oppositions half. then the real Zeb comes out in full and his value is clearly obvious. we haven't really spent much time in that area of the field lately. ultimately i think the truth is he's just not up to 80 quality minutes yet. if he were playing the first 60 of every match then his error rate and missed tackles would be way, way, way down. he's probably capable of 80 quality minutes if we could just hold onto the ball for any reasonable amount of time.
 
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Big Tim

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I think our backrow is very strong, possibly the strongest part of our team. I do think that we are lacking something on that right edge though. It should be were all our points are coming from, but it isnt working.

I dont know if it is fair to put this on House, and the right centre keeps changing, but I feel the opposition doesnt respect him as a weapon at the moment, so they have plenty of time to cover Aku.
 

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