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Round 12 V Dogs

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Ivan agreed to be Panthers coach after his contract was up and was going to see out his contract. Tigers didnt want a coach that had already committed elsewhere so they went looking for his replacement, found him and then negotiated a release. They didnt want him after he committed elsewhere. Obviously Ivan left Tigers in a bad position, but how many coaches have Tigers done almost exactly that to? They got a better coach out of it, paid for by Ivan himself.

Since he left he hasn't tried poaching any players. He has literally only taken players Tigers didn't want. Rejects on minimum wage to pad out the roster with experience for all the guys we can't keep.

Had he remained odds are he's sacked because Tigers miss the top 8 yet again. As it stands now he's still copping all the blame for issue that existed before he arrived and still exist long after he left.

He signed players on overs. But that's an issue with the club itself. Both for allowing him to throw any amount of money at players, and for having a reputation where no player wants to join for anything less than massive overs. Ivan had nothing to do with dumb recruitment decisions like BJ Leilua, James Roberts, Adam Doeuhi etc. These guys are just proof that the recruitment decisions Ivan made while not great were pretty much an issue any coach would face.

No genuine superstar will join the Tigers. They use them for bargaining elsewhere. Instead you get the rock or diamonds guys who want superstar money to join and you sign them hoping they deliver more often than not. On the rare occasions you signed good players on good money, they want out to get bigger money elsewhere. I just hope you don't face that same issue again with Daine Laurie.

I appreciate the comprehensive response, although it contains a couple of concerning factual errors.

I don’t blame you for not understanding how wt recruitment works. Madge does not sign our players, Adam Hartigan does. Madge is only consulted.

Adam Douhie is an excellent player.

Cleary or his representatives connived and met with smug during his tenure as wt Coach.

This was after loading us up with sub standard players at ridiculous prices, making many promises and misrepresenting his intentions.

He couldn’t even face the players to say farewell.

I’m afraid this is argument that you are unable to win.

Ivan is an untrustworthy rat who let thousands of people down for what I think was a selfish ambition to coach his son.

By his conduct, my honest opinion is that he remains disliked and Ill-thought of by many people.

I otherwise appreciated the more objective points you have raised mx, reflects very well on you.
 
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betcats

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I appreciate the comprehensive response, although it contains a couple of concerning factual errors.

I don’t blame you for not understanding how wt recruitment works. Madge does not sign our players, Adam Hartigan does. Madge is only consulted.

Adam Douhie is an excellent player.

Cleary or his representatives connived and met with smug during his tenure as wt Coach.

He couldn’t even face the players.

I’m afraid this is argument that you are unable to win.

Ivan is an untrustworthy rat who let thousands of people down for his selfish ambition to coach his son.

I otherwise appreciated the more objective points you have raised mx, reflects very well on you.

Ivan > West Tigers.
 

Jane Murray

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I appreciate the comprehensive response, although it contains a couple of concerning factual errors.

I don’t blame you for not understanding how wt recruitment works. Madge does not sign our players, Adam Hartigan does. Madge is only consulted.

Adam Douhie is an excellent player.

Cleary or his representatives connived and met with smug during his tenure as wt Coach.

He couldn’t even face the players.

I’m afraid this is argument that you are unable to win.

Ivan is an untrustworthy rat who let thousands of people down for his selfish ambition to coach his son.

I otherwise appreciated the more objective points you have raised mx, reflects very well on you.
Factual errors hey? Your statement is full of them. :rolleyes::)
 

Jane Murray

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You couldnt argue a point to save your life Janey.

Your expertise is personal abuse. Stick to your speciality my friend.

Save the heavy lifting for others.
Personal abuse hey? Nope, not from me. Also, I can argue my point, unfortunately I do not have the time to explain myself to you, time and time again.
 

mxlegend99

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I appreciate the comprehensive response, although it contains a couple of concerning factual errors.

I don’t blame you for not understanding how wt recruitment works. Madge does not sign our players, Adam Hartigan does. Madge is only consulted.

Adam Douhie is an excellent player.

Cleary or his representatives connived and met with smug during his tenure as wt Coach.

This was after loading us up with sub standard players at ridiculous prices, making many promises and misrepresenting his intentions.

He couldn’t even face the players to say farewell.

I’m afraid this is argument that you are unable to win.

Ivan is an untrustworthy rat who let thousands of people down for his selfish ambition to coach his son.

I otherwise appreciated the more objective points you have raised mx, reflects very well on you.
I never said Madge recruited players. I said it's an issue all coaches at Tigers will face. They want a player. The club has to pay overs to get them unless that player is looking for an opportunity. They then need to fear that player leaving once he has established himself. Doesn't matter who's negotiating the deals. Madge has a say who he wants to keep and target. Anyone he wants will cost more than they would to a successful club.

Adam Doueihi is an average player with lots of talent. He hasn't cemented himself in any position yet. Jumping between fullback, half and centre. Nothing has worked yet and never will because some players just don't quiet fit in anywhere even when they're good enough you feel you must include them.

Blame Cleary all you want for substandard players ln overs. But that's exactly what Tigers did before he arrived and after he left. That's the only type of recruitment Tigers can get. You think Adam Doueihi is an excellent player? Yet he's no better than Josh Reynolds, he's just not busted yet.

Ivan jumped off the bus before Tigers threw him under it. All he did wrong was sign a contract beyond the one he already had. The rate Tigers sack coaches there's an odds on chance they would have sacked him before then anyway. He wasn't the best recruiter. But he shouldn't have been in charge of managing the salary cap in the first place. It was incompetence from the Tigers board to put so much responsibility on a single person with no experience at doing that.
 

Blues Riff

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By the time WT recruited Madge, it was the off season, so instead of a whirlwind tour including Byron and Las Vegas, Ivan informed the players by texer. I doubt any of them were surprised however, since the media had been telling us all for a year that the Clearys wanted to work together.
 
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I never said Madge recruited players. I said it's an issue all coaches at Tigers will face. They want a player. The club has to pay overs to get them unless that player is looking for an opportunity. They then need to fear that player leaving once he has established himself. Doesn't matter who's negotiating the deals. Madge has a say who he wants to keep and target. Anyone he wants will cost more than they would to a successful club.

Adam Doueihi is an average player with lots of talent. He hasn't cemented himself in any position yet. Jumping between fullback, half and centre. Nothing has worked yet and never will because some players just don't quiet fit in anywhere even when they're good enough you feel you must include them.

Blame Cleary all you want for substandard players ln overs. But that's exactly what Tigers did before he arrived and after he left. That's the only type of recruitment Tigers can get. You think Adam Doueihi is an excellent player? Yet he's no better than Josh Reynolds, he's just not busted yet.

Ivan jumped off the bus before Tigers threw him under it. All he did wrong was sign a contract beyond the one he already had. The rate Tigers sack coaches there's an odds on chance they would have sacked him before then anyway. He wasn't the best recruiter. But he shouldn't have been in charge of managing the salary cap in the first place. It was incompetence from the Tigers board to put so much responsibility on a single person with no experience at doing that.

You are still misunderstanding the wt recruitment. Madge does not get final say.

You say “Anyone he wants will cost more”

It doesn’t matter who he wants, he’s told who he gets. He doesn’t control recruitment.

What happened before and after Clearys despicable tenure with our signings has no bearing on his garbage recruitment and the way he conducted himself during his final weeks. Under his watch, he made a negative contribution to the club and was a miserable failure. He left in disgrace.

I stand by Douehi 100% he’s easily origin bound. He’s a better player than most of your lot.

“ nothing has worked yet, and never will.”

That’s a bullshit malicious comment because you’re pretending to know the future. Who is going to win the Melbourne Cup this year? You don’t have a clue.

Our board wasn’t pinching another clubs coach behind that clubs back, like you were.

All this smug has gone to your head and you’d be best served to get off your high horse and remember your humble origins.

Trent gives the same weight for your feelings than lying Ivan gave for ours. So no more crocodile tears, please, give us a break!

He’s just buying the wrong players, that’s my issue with him. I’d be gagging for Kiks if I was him.
 

Jane Murray

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You are still misunderstanding the wt recruitment. Madge does not get final say.

You say “Anyone he wants will cost more”

It doesn’t matter who he wants, he’s told who he gets. He doesn’t control recruitment.

What happened before and after Clearys despicable tenure with our signings has no bearing on his garbage recruitment and the way he conducted himself during his final weeks. Under his watch, he made a negative contribution to the club and was a miserable failure. He left in disgrace.

I stand by Douehi 100% he’s easily origin bound. He’s a better player than most of your lot.

“ nothing has worked yet, and never will.”

That’s a bullshit malicious comment because you’re pretending to know the future. Who is going to win the Melbourne Cup this year? You don’t have a clue.

Our board wasn’t pinching another clubs coach behind that clubs back, like you were.

All this smug has gone to your head and you’d be best served to get off your high horse and remember your humble origins.

Trent gives the same weight for your feelings than lying Ivan gave for ours. So no more crocodile tears, please, give us a break!

He’s just buying the wrong players, that’s my issue with him. I’d be gagging for Kiks if I was him.
:):):):):rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

GongPanther

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Panthers saying all allocated tickets sold.Great to see considering we are playing the team in last place
May as well be brutally honest, the crowd is turning up for a bit of a laff. A champagne comedy Saturday arvo.

Should have circus clowns forming a guard of honour for the Dogs when they run out.
 

mxlegend99

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You are still misunderstanding the wt recruitment. Madge does not get final say.

You say “Anyone he wants will cost more”

It doesn’t matter who he wants, he’s told who he gets. He doesn’t control recruitment.

What happened before and after Clearys despicable tenure with our signings has no bearing on his garbage recruitment and the way he conducted himself during his final weeks. Under his watch, he made a negative contribution to the club and was a miserable failure. He left in disgrace.

I stand by Douehi 100% he’s easily origin bound. He’s a better player than most of your lot.

“ nothing has worked yet, and never will.”

That’s a bullshit malicious comment because you’re pretending to know the future. Who is going to win the Melbourne Cup this year? You don’t have a clue.

Our board wasn’t pinching another clubs coach behind that clubs back, like you were.

All this smug has gone to your head and you’d be best served to get off your high horse and remember your humble origins.

Trent gives the same weight for your feelings than lying Ivan gave for ours. So no more crocodile tears, please, give us a break!

He’s just buying the wrong players, that’s my issue with him. I’d be gagging for Kiks if I was him.
Right. So your coach has no say in his roster. Adam 'cant lock down a spot' Doueihi is better than most our players and your board does no wrong. Might want to look into how Tigers got Justin Pascoe.... Though you ultimately did us a favour.

i guess I'm just feeding the troll replying. Hopefully it's just trolling as I refuse to believe anyone who can string together a sentence is that stupid. The Adam Doueihi thing is a bit of a giveaway though. He wouldn't crack our side and is nowhere near Origin. I mean we have a guy who started the year in reserve grade in talks for an Origin spot and Adam Doueihi covers the same positions with no mention at all.
 

GongPanther

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The whole Burton thing stunk. Not only did they sign him but the way they publicly said hand him over now. I laugh at all the media gurus who wanted to give opinion Penrith are being stubborn letting him rot in NSW cup.
Now who has egg on their faces? Burton's costs himself 300k a season. On open market right now he would,d be getting atleast 800k. A desperate side may even throw him a 5yr x 1 mill deal imo.
I still think long term he will be a Rooster. But porb should of went to Brisbane.
Most of that was coming from Cooper and co as we are all aware that Cooper deep down still has an axe to grind for us.
 
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Right. So your coach has no say in his roster. Adam 'cant lock down a spot' Doueihi is better than most our players and your board does no wrong. Might want to look into how Tigers got Justin Pascoe.... Though you ultimately did us a favour.

i guess I'm just feeding the troll replying. Hopefully it's just trolling as I refuse to believe anyone who can string together a sentence is that stupid. The Adam Doueihi thing is a bit of a giveaway though. He wouldn't crack our side and is nowhere near Origin. I mean we have a guy who started the year in reserve grade in talks for an Origin spot and Adam Doueihi covers the same positions with no mention at all.

misquoting, mis-characterising and a reliance on abuse.

You’re without a clue.
 

mxlegend99

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May as well be brutally honest, the crowd is turning up for a bit of a laff. A champagne comedy Saturday arvo.

Should have circus clowns forming a guard of honour for the Dogs when they run out.
Everyone loves a sure thing. Who wouldn't want to be at the venue when we beat our 2004 record breaking win by nearly doubling it?

This is as sure as a win gets. But i wouldn't be surprised if we phone it in and only win by 30 though. Hopefully Origin has the guys who might get a shot wanting to really put in a huge claim.
 

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