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[Smurf]

That was bad

 

[Inisai Toga]

We've got to stop this bullshit belief that just because sides are below us, we should win! SInce when? Canterbury turned up like they do most weeks, even when we beat them last time it was an even money bet at half time. We are and have been battling to avoid the spoon, and with this squad we have never been a chance for a top eight IMO. They play ok sometimes and bog average the next and unfortunately i just can't see that changing. Just hope we can develop at least half a dozen players by the season end and then start to see some culture change. We'll win again, but let's just temper the enthusiasm and the expectations until consistency becomes the standard.

 

[Reflector]

There are losses and there are losses.

That's the kind you don't bounce back from. If we were looking to play finals you can now be certain that won't happen.

This club does this to its fans now far too often. It is the new us. This is who we are. Griffin, Price, McGregor, doesn't matter we are the new easy beats and even worse, we are the heartless club of the competition.

What a disgrace.

I was at a mates' place yesterday and talking about how regardless of what you think of the Roosters (he's a Souths fan) you can't help but admire their professionalism. There is a culture of accountability at that club and it started when Politis bought into the joint 25 years ago. Before then, Easts were a transit lounge club and besides the odd decent season were largely mediocre or worse.

The Dragons are a club with a big traditional supporter base. When doing well, it's up there in numbers with Souths. Surely amongst the supporters there is a Politis type figure who could buy into the place and turn the culture around? If it could happen to a club like Easts, it could happen to Saints.

 

[Ted bartolo]

Macgregor nothing changed in 8 years only people dropped were injured.Time will tell with Griffen but like all good coaches he doesn't play favorite's or mates.

 

[since77]

I’m prepared to judge Griffin at years end considering the giant turd he inherited but wow that was such a gutless pea hearted performance. And shows why the roster rebuild has already begun .
It is just numbing though knowing after nearly a decade of these kind of spineless performances that games like these - where we play the team running last, or the tigers a few weeks back - these are the games this group of players ALWAYS go missing in. It’s now in their DNA. It’s happened for the last 10 years. All this week, little old me, just a fan sitting on his couch, KNEW that this is what they would dish up.

 

[Reflector]

There's a lot of old boys from both clubs wondering what's happened. I thought we'd both be proud clubs forever. I got that wrong. This issue runs deep.

Both had a successful former coach with a reputation for salting the earth when he exits...

 

[thebigredv]

Both had a successful former coach with a reputation for salting the earth when he exits...

And man is it salty!

 

[thebigredv]

I was at a mates' place yesterday and talking about how regardless of what you think of the Roosters (he's a Souths fan) you can't help but admire their professionalism. There is a culture of accountability at that club and it started when Politis bought into the joint 25 years ago. Before then, Easts were a transit lounge club and besides the odd decent season were largely mediocre or worse.

The Dragons are a club with a big traditional supporter base. When doing well, it's up there in numbers with Souths. Surely amongst the supporters there is a Politis type figure who could buy into the place and turn the culture around? If it could happen to a club like Easts, it could happen to Saints.

Challenge accepted. I will be that person.... How many Trbojevics will $500 get me?

 

[Forbes Creek Dragons]

Macgregor nothing changed in 8 years only people dropped were injured.Time will tell with Griffen but like all good coaches he doesn't play favorite's or mates.

It’s fun to talk about dropping players but who do we actually have to replace them is the issue. Amone is not ready, we have two forward out with suspensions but hopefully Lomax is back. The whole team looked flat, I can only imagine the Norman and Dufty news has ruffled a few feathers. Norman looks like a good bloke who would hold a bit of sway amongst the group. Hopefully the core of the team going forward can unite and build into something. It is a necessary job which probably isn’t finished so I’m expecting more pain but this is the cleanout we needed to have.

 

[BLM01]

I’m prepared to judge Griffin at years end considering the giant turd he inherited but wow that was such a gutless pea hearted performance. And shows why the roster rebuild has already begun .
It is just numbing though knowing after nearly a decade of these kind of spineless performances that games like these - where we play the team running last, or the tigers a few weeks back - these are the games this group of players ALWAYS go missing in. It’s now in their DNA. It’s happened for the last 10 years. All this week, little old me, just a fan sitting on his couch, KNEW that this is what they would dish up.

100%. As I keep saying it is a rocky road back from the clog mire we were in and will take some time and patience.
People expected us to fiinsh last this year with the squad we have, even after that debacle today, we are still in the 8.
People should look at the the comp and top teams V the bottom 10 as a whole.
The bottom 10 or so are on even par in reality and the top 5 basically continue keep on keeping on

 

[thebigredv]

Where’s Peter Pan when you need him?

4 year deal with Roosters.

 

[Ted bartolo]

Norman on report hopefully he gets 6 weeks

 

[thebigredv]

The bottom 10 or so are on even par in reality and the top 5 basically continue keep on keeping on

Completely agree with this statement. As I stated, the right attitude alone can lift you to top of the 'bottom 10' then you need a professional club culture and a whole lot of talent to lift you into the top tier teams.

I was expecting losses this year but I was thinking our attitude may improve almost immediately under Hook. It did seem to and now has regressed which to me says more about the players than the coach. On the flip side we saw this in the 15-18 seasons, solid starts and then dead in the water. Most of those players don't play here anymore so its as if the culture has hung around rather than the dud players.

 

[BLM01]

It's that simple. Good clubs never allow things to get this bad. The truth is the mess will eventually become too great for any mortal coach to completely fix. There's definitely been a start to this to give Hook credit, but I am just hoping upon hope it is extending to the likes of Ellis, Kerr, Ford et al. who haven't grabbed their many chances in first grade.

We have a coach that was defending Norman today and basically blamed the forwards. If what the papers say are true Griffin wanted to retain him. That instills little confidence as far as I am aware. So will Griffin persist with these same forwards? Molo alone won't turn it around.

Griffin was the one that made the decision that Norman was not to be retained.
Believe what you want from the papers but I was told that personally on Friday by a major sponsor.
As for the forwards, they deserved criticism today
Griffin will always defend people publicly and not throw any player under the bus.
truth is he sees what we see.

 

[BLM01]

Completely agree with this statement. As I stated, the right attitude alone can lift you to top of the 'bottom 10' then you need a professional club culture and a whole lot of talent to lift you into the top tier teams.

I was expecting losses this year but I was thinking our attitude may improve almost immediately under Hook. It did seem to and now has regressed which to me says more about the players than the coach. On the flip side we saw this in the 15-18 seasons, solid starts and then dead in the water. Most of those players don't play here anymore so its as if the culture has hung around rather than the dud players.

100% the culture needed a huge shift and Griffin said so much back in November
But culture cant change until you have the right people to instill it.

 

[thebigredv]

Griffin was the one that made the decision that Norman was not to be retained.
Believe what you want from the papers but I was told that personally on Friday by a major sponsor.
As for the forwards, they deserved criticism today
Griffin will always defend people publicly and not throw any player under the bus.
truth is he sees what we see.

Skeptical of anything in the paper. Im sure Hook gets his way so that makes more sense. Personally would love to see more time given to Amone/Sullivan now, assuming we won't be replacing him from the outside.

 

[Dragon David]

I have put off my comment for as long as possible but I just have to get it out otherwise I won’t sleep tonight .

They were damn disgusting ! We expected a win today, in fact a big win at that , at least I thought , but once again the team played miserable football , let every supporter down not to mention themselves.

No real enthusiasm whatsoever , no spark and certainty no will to win . Some of those players have no right to wear the Big Red V jersey . They have cocooned themselves into believing that they were world beaters after their win over the broncs , well the dogs brought them crashing back down to earth with an almighty thud - I do hope that it knocks some sense into them .

The bulldogs - good luck to them , they were the underdogs and no one wanted to back them , but if a team has self belief then that’s half the battle won . Hopefully ( I am sick to death of using that term when referring to the Dragons ) our boys will find the same and very quickly .

The problem is Gareth that even if they do find self belief, it might just be for one game only and the rest just like today. They don't have any consistency in effort, energy and desire for victory and whatever the game plan for today, if ever there was one, it took a massive nosedive.

I just don't think that our coaching staff know how to get our guys motivated and look at playing to the other teams deficiencies. Other coaches know our deficiencies really well, even those clubs' coaches below us on the table.

Team spirit starts with people who can motivate the individuals really well. That's what is lacking at our club.

 

[verticalsmile]

Im a Parramatta fan but from my point of view.
It doesnt help telling players they are not wanted any more as they will do F#ckall from now on.
As for Norman i was happy when we let him go.

Melbourne players have a good attitude and give 110% every game not just turn up for pay checks like most players who are on the big bucks and just take it easy.

NFL players have a bonus add to the contract and if they dont meet that bouns then no extra cash.

Example must make 20 tackles a game on average or run and average 100m a game.

 

[jeffdragon]

But it's always the dragons who end up not being competitive, by getting flogged by the dogs again who have only won two games one being us this year..
Against a side on the bottom we were never in it
That's a piss poor effort.
And we only scored one try from a kick.

 

[denis preston]

We were never going to be on top forever.
We were on top because in the 50's/60's/70's we had a successful business model that was ahead of it's time - as well as being innovative in respect to player recruitment and development, training and playing the game. Unfortunately, the successors of the likes Frank Facer didn't have the same acumen. Since the 90's we have been a chook raffle club compared to the likes of Easts, Brisbane, Melbourne and Souffs. I don't see that changing in the near future and, until we transform this, any success we have will be both relative and fleeting.

Sorry mate the reason was an emerging junior base & a absolute shitload of. Cash. From the leagues club,. Facer was good but he had enough cash to buy 2 x five eights & a pommy second rower so nobody else could. His biggest f**kup was getting Langlands but ignoring Fulton ( hence later buying Branson & Hawthorne for a motza )