Round 16 v Warriors

[Luke Bowden]

All this talk about military courses being tough and doing five days of intensity is off the mark. The players aren’t coping with a week, they are coping with half a season of grinding games and training. It is nothing like doing a job day to day. The intensity is just not there.

It is more like military selection (I can’t speak on behalf of the Police) for things like special forces. They may have a single week of tests, but usually there are months of intense training before this. Just like a season of football. The recruits are ground down until by the time they hit test week they are mentally and physically knackered. They are trying to test their mental strength. Many of the recruits break down long before they even get to the five day test week. Their bodies can’t handle it. Have a look at the pass rates for things like Marines, Paras, Sas, Seals etc Half the people don’t finish because their bodies fail, the rest mentally capitulate because of the stress. The list of injuries you see is just like the NRL. ACL’s, ruptured achilles, torn muscles, busted ankles. I realise the players are the physical elite which is why they are there in the first place and recruits are more like average Joes without the physical gifts of somebody like Bizza or Lomax (strong!!). But even so, they need rest and recovery just the same.

The science on the impact of high intensity work outs like an SOO game is pretty well understood. There are research papers on this and they now NRL clubs high performance units will have plenty of their own data. I would be amazed if any data they have would conclude the players will be fine.

Remember they already participating in a grueling season which is slowly wearing them down, just like a military course. The flying will reduce their sleep and recovery time and then add in jet lag and they will most certainly be tired. The players will not recover adequately in three days and the risk of injury increases as a person is fatigued. That said, is it a risk/reward balance that might be worth considering?

Having watched the highly combative and physical Warriors demolish the Sharks, I think asking the players to go from SOO to another very physical high intensity game with limited rest is more on the “risk” side than the “reward” side. I would rest them, in fact let them fly to Sydney and have a few days off.

5 days would have been nice….. try 6 - 10 weeks.

but anyway, I think my point has either been misinterpreted or I explained it poorly.

let’s just move on and see who gets picked.

 

[Panfa]

If the 5 origin players dont back up id like to see this line up 1.Alamoti 2.jenkins 3.tago 4.Mclean 5.Fale 6.cole 7.Talagi 13.Sorenson 12.Papalii 11.Garner 10.Smith 9.kenny 8.Leota 14.Schneider 15.henry 16.Patea 17.Price

 

[Panfa]

Laurie too soft eisenhuth too slow toelau too small and as for sommerton he doesn't add much to kenny so leaving those 4 out

 

[Pomoz]

5 days would have been nice….. try 6 - 10 weeks.

but anyway, I think my point has either been misinterpreted or I explained it poorly.

let’s just move on and see who gets picked.

Well Luke, I agree, that's why said two to three months. Test week is the final bit. Do the Police have anything like this? Maybe not as long physically. Not really the same demands as the military. Horses for courses.

Anyway, yeah let's see whose picked.

The thing is though, whoever designed this draw is incompetent. NZ should have had an away game because it is obvious they will have minimal SOO reps. The way they design the draw is just stupid from start to finish. Teams with no byes and some with two! WTAF. Its almost like they fiddle the draw to favour certain teams. Surely not?

 

[maple_69]

So no Laurie, Alamoti, Eisenhuth, Toelau, Schneider, Sommerton or Riki in Cup this week. I dunno if any of them are injured but if not you’d have to imagine they’re all going to New Zealand. Hassett and Cole named. I doubt we have any surprises based on that. If Talagi and Laurie had screamers it’s a perfectly competitive team but if the Warriors put in a 7/10 they win.

Laurie, Jenkins, McLean, Tago, Alamoti, Talagi, Schneider, Leota, Kenny, Henry, Sorenson, Papali’i, Smith, Sommo, Eisenhuth, Patea, Garner and Toelau/Riki at 18/19.

 

[Frankus]

Please, the Panthers high performance team have the players training load and recovery regime down to the hour. It’s an actual science.

Unless they say it can’t be done, I won’t be listening.

A charter flight from Perth to Auckland, with only Penrith Players and staff, is not that big a deal when you compare it to what others do on the Daily for work.

Others spend ~$150k on a one way flight to work? GTFOH.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Others spend ~$150k on a one way flight to work? GTFOH.

Yeah, companies do it all the time. It’s not that much when you need to move that many people.

 

[Oldpanther86]

Yeah, companies do it all the time. It’s not that much when you need to move that many people.

The bigger point should be what was pointed out by someone earlier which is the draw. The warriors who historically have little to no SOO representation have a NZ home game a couple of days after the Perth origin. It makes no sense.

 

[Luke Bowden]

The bigger point should be what was pointed out by someone earlier which is the draw. The warriors who historically have little to no SOO representation have a NZ home game a couple of days after the Perth origin. It makes no sense.

Ok, if that’s the case, they won’t do it.

I thought we moved on

 

[Oldpanther86]

Ok, if that’s the case, they won’t do it.

I thought we moved on

Huh? I was moving on. I was talking about how dumb the draw is. Warriors should've had a Sydney game. If it was vs us at commbank it'd be better surely.

 

[maple_69]

We’ve had two byes before Origins, play two home games against a shit team after two Origins and one home game against a shit team before another. One dud set up is pretty good considering there are 6 games that can be effected.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

I disagree. As someone on here pointed out if the origin boys played. 3 games in 8 days. Origin noted for being harder than a grand final. Then off to New Zealand with no direct flights....so probably no origin players.

Then back to Sydney to play the Dogs 5 days later, with dogs having something like a 10 day turn around as their bye is next weekend.

In my opinion NOT a good draw for Penrith.

New Zealand game should be played in Sydney for starters.

 

[globalpanther]

D Laurie
T Jenkins
I Tago
C McLean
P Alamoti
B Talagai
B Schneider
M Leota
M Kenny (Capt)
L Smith
S Sorensen
L Garner
M Eisenhuth

J Cole
I Papali’i
L Henry
L Patea
18.T Toelau/L Sommerton

 

[Black Panther]

A big no to Schnieder please. Surely Toelau gets a crack, we will need to score points against NZ to win and he is much better and unpredictable in attack.

 

[Pjf04b]

Perhaps they should have Warriors v Penrith in Perth. Would have been a great promotion and solved the problem.

 

[age.s]

This is obviously a shit schedule for us but we've been dudded worse in previous years. The schedules around games 1 and 3 are about the best we could hope for.

If we hadn't played like shit for most of the weeks where the scheduling was not an issue, a blip like this wouldn't be particularly important.

 

[Hooked]

So no Laurie, Alamoti, Eisenhuth, Toelau, Schneider, Sommerton or Riki in Cup this week. I dunno if any of them are injured but if not you’d have to imagine they’re all going to New Zealand. Hassett and Cole named. I doubt we have any surprises based on that. If Talagi and Laurie had screamers it’s a perfectly competitive team but if the Warriors put in a 7/10 they win.

Laurie, Jenkins, McLean, Tago, Alamoti, Talagi, Schneider, Leota, Kenny, Henry, Sorenson, Papali’i, Smith, Sommo, Eisenhuth, Patea, Garner and Toelau/Riki at 18/19.

Riki, Sommerton and Mav late ins for NSW Cup.

Cole a late out.

 

[Murraymob1]

Back on subject you merkins Yeo and too are the most likely to not play too is carrying a injury and Yeo is clearly fatigued now let alone after a origin game
The rest potentially could play but due to the short turn around I doubt any play

 

[IcemanCleary]

If knights can some how hang on here and dogs win on Sunday, Penrith will stay In the eight

 

[Stinkfinger]

Let the Warriors have this, keep the score tight, throw everything at the Dogs, then after the last bye a string of five winnable games against struggling teams. Then 3 tough ones and the Dragons in the last round. The six might be enough but if we can win just one of the other 5 we make the 8, anything can happen from there, although hopefully we don't get the Dolphins first up.