Round 20 v The Northern Beaches Scum

[OldPanther]

That’s why the peachy call is so weird to me.
The last thing we need is more roster fiddling before the finals.
Look at how long it’s taken for the roosters backs to hit their stride, it’s all about a consistent lineup and knowing the what the defender next to you is going to do.
Fullback is to important to mess around with at this stage of the year unless forced.
DWZ is either fit enough to play first grade or not fit enough. If he isn’t I can kind of see the reason for the peach gamble but otherwise we are messing short and long term structure for nothing.

It actually makes sense from a continuity point of view. Our front line defence will stay as settled as it can under the circumstances rather than shift Peach to centre and Whare to Wing which throws everything out.

 

[franklin2323]

It actually makes sense from a continuity point of view. Our front line defence will stay as settled as it can under the circumstances rather than shift Peach to centre and Whare to Wing which throws everything out.

Exactly. Wingers that know when to drop back. Centres that can read play. With actual backrowers with them. FB aside this is the strongest 13 we have had since round 2. If Peachey goes well we are set

 

[franklin2323]

This is what frustrates me. You could see when we had the ball even after conceding a couple tries our forwards were punching holes through their line and creating plenty of space, we just keep f**king it up similar to the week before against the sharks. So much potential here just no polish.

It was weird the stats didn't show the scoreline. A full week of training for Maloney surely needs to help that

 

[kinghippo]

It actually makes sense from a continuity point of view. Our front line defence will stay as settled as it can under the circumstances rather than shift Peach to centre and Whare to Wing which throws everything out.

I think putting someone in a key position they haven’t played before (peach to fullback) effects the team much more than switching a winger and Center ( peach to centre, whare to wing).
May / Blake or even whare to fullback I can understand because they have both played there, I just can’t see the value of peachy at the back.
Even if he kills it this week he will be found out against the good teams. Look how long it took him to learn how to read the play and defend in the centres. Fullback positioning is way harder.

Don’t forget we have also changed our pack around this week too, so no stability there.

I am hoping to be proven wrong with all this but I honestly think we are changing a lot of things to get rid of a winger ( Crichton).

 

[OldPanther]

I think putting someone in a key position they haven’t played before (peach to fullback) effects the team much more than switching a winger and Center ( peach to centre, whare to wing).
May / Blake or even whare to fullback I can understand because they have both played there, I just can’t see the value of peachy at the back.
Even if he kills it this week he will be found out against the good teams. Look how long it took him to learn how to read the play and defend in the centres. Fullback positioning is way harder.

Don’t forget we have also changed our pack around this week too, so no stability there.

I am hoping to be proven wrong with all this but I honestly think we are changing a lot of things to get rid of a winger ( Crichton).

I agree about having someone who has played the position being better. I would have played May at FB if it was my choice. I just think they are trying to keep the front line as much the same while being able to drop Crighton.

 

[Black Magik]

My prediction is an either/or scenario

Either:
Both teams trained hard on defense - score 10 all
Or
Both teams trained hard on attack - score 40 all

I don't see us winning this I'm afraid and the best I can come up with is a draw.

 

[franklin2323]

I agree about having someone who has played the position being better. I would have played May at FB if it was my choice. I just think they are trying to keep the front line as much the same while being able to drop Crighton.

Problem with is trying to get Peachey on the field.

 

[OldPanther]

Problem with is trying to get Peachey on the field.

Yeah I honestly don't envy Griffin having to work it all out. Any option could work out a master stroke or be a disaster.

 

[Tronald Crump]

My prediction is an either/or scenario

Either:
Both teams trained hard on defense - score 10 all
Or
Both teams trained hard on attack - score 40 all

I don't see us winning this I'm afraid and the best I can come up with is a draw.

I think we can win.
As bad as both teams were last week both teams will be bounce back better this week.
Manly's defence was worse than ours. The Roosters looked like scoring off every play last week. Manly's middle and right edge was pitiful.
We were poor to concede 50 but for us there were a few tries conceded against the run of play.

We have played a lot better than Manly this year and have a higher level to go than them.

I think it will be close and Manly only win if were crap like a month ago, but I think we sneak home.

 

[betcats]

It actually makes sense from a continuity point of view. Our front line defence will stay as settled as it can under the circumstances rather than shift Peach to centre and Whare to Wing which throws everything out.

Mate fullbacks are so important to the front line defence, they are directing it the whole time. Peachey has played centre and Whare has played wing before. Picking Peachey at FB over Dallin is just ridiculous. It really does not make more sense. You pick the best FB you have at FB. Whare came into FG as a winger at manly, he has played there a fair bit. A lot more than Peachey has played FB.

Seriously picking peachey at FB would be ridiculous and a huge risk.

 

[betcats]

I doubt we would've named Peachey at FB if we intended to play him there in any event. Giving DCE a week to prepare for an inexperienced FB wouldn't be the smartest thing to do and it is out of character for the club, we usually try to hide these things.

Peacheys defensive issues are being overrated if people think it makes more sense to play him at FB. Seriously overrated.

 

[OldPanther]

Mate fullbacks are so important to the front line defence, they are directing it the whole time. Peachey has played centre and Whare has played wing before. Picking Peachey at FB over Dallin is just ridiculous. It really does not make more sense. You pick the best FB you have at FB. Whare came into FG as a winger at manly, he has played there a fair bit. A lot more than Peachey has played FB.

Seriously picking peachey at FB would be ridiculous and a huge risk.

I'm just trying to put myself in their shoes and the only reason I can think is to keep Whare and Blake as our centre pair. Surely begging to do play FB isn't enough. He was also shit in defence to start the year after a pre season in the centres so maybe Griffin is not willing to risk it this late in the year.

Honestly I don't know and I can see all the options(other than May FB and Peachey bench My preference) being both a complete disaster or a success.

 

[betcats]

I'm just trying to put myself in their shoes and the only reason I can think is to keep Whare and Blake as our centre pair. Surely begging to do play FB isn't enough. He was also shit in defence to start the year after a pre season in the centres so maybe Griffin is not willing to risk it this late in the year.

Honestly I don't know and I can see all the options(other than May FB and Peachey bench My preference) being both a complete disaster or a success.

There is a lot more going on defensively for a fb mate. Its such a hard position to play at this level if you aren't experienced. DCE would have a field day. FBs are helping the front line defence with their communication, positioning themselves to be ready for a kick all the time, covering 40/20s while its on. Then he has to learn the set plays we run with a FB. Has to catch bombs and return kicks - Dallin is already good at that. Putting peach there weakens us massively in defence IMO.

Also its a lot more running and distance to be covered, Peach has been playing off the bench in the forwards lately.

 

[Blade23]

DWZ is either fit enough to play first grade or not fit enough. If he isn’t I can kind of see the reason for the peach gamble but otherwise we are messing short and long term structure for nothing.

DWZ is not fit enough for fullback with his hammy. Word is he doesn't have the miles in the legs this week to play a whole game there.

 

[betcats]

IF Dallins not fit enough for FB just rest him otherwise we will end up with Peachey at FB for the season and still have Crichton or Phillips in the team.

 

[kinghippo]

DWZ is not fit enough for fullback with his hammy. Word is he doesn't have the miles in the legs this week to play a whole game there.

He shouldn’t be played then in my opinion.
Seems very odd to risk him if not 100%.
Weird for the medics to give an orange light rather than green.
But as always I respect the medical team and I won’t pretend to know more than them.

 

[OldPanther]

There is a lot more going on defensively for a fb mate. Its such a hard position to play at this level if you aren't experienced. DCE would have a field day. FBs are helping the front line defence with their communication, positioning themselves to be ready for a kick all the time, covering 40/20s while its on. Then he has to learn the set plays we run with a FB. Has to catch bombs and return kicks - Dallin is already good at that. Putting peach there weakens us massively in defence IMO.

Also its a lot more running and distance to be covered, Peach has been playing off the bench in the forwards lately.

I agree. These people especially Griffin is supposed to know the game as much as us if not more so realistically (like you said before) I can't see it actually happening.

 

[mxlegend99]

The fact we would rather take a punt on Peachey at fullback and a 50% fit DWZ then have Crichton or Phillips in the team is awesome.

But if DWZ isnt fully fit. Don't risk him.
If he is. Put him at fullback with Peachey pushing Whare to centre. That's our best lineup

 

[betcats]

Someone go down to training and get Crichton and Phillips on the injured list so we play Aekins.

 

[Blade23]

He shouldn’t be played then in my opinion.
Seems very odd to risk him if not 100%.
Weird for the medics to give an orange light rather than green.
But as always I respect the medical team and I won’t pretend to know more than them.

I trust the medical team on their clearances.
He would be right to go but a probable risk of re injuring his hamstring if he played a whole game at fullback. He had a 2-3 week injury time frame. Tomorrow will be 15 days after the injury.
There is fit to play and fit to play a whole game at fullback.