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Round 25 V Knights

Crush

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If it leads to serious change, cloud will have a silver lining
What serious change? A new coach? Mate, our bunch of dinosaurs will just put another amateur in the role, there will be no change. It'll be Barrett or Millard or Young or Mick Potter.....
Forget serious change. The board don't want serious change.
 

possm

Coach
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What serious change? A new coach? Mate, our bunch of dinosaurs will just put another amateur in the role, there will be no change. It'll be Barrett or Millard or Young or Mick Potter.....
Forget serious change. The board don't want serious change.
Do this and the fans would raise up and tare these fools down. I have never been so angry and considering I don't own SGI shars I just can't imagine that WIN would want to lose their 6m that they invested into SGI for the job security of a failed coaching staff and recruitment officer.

Yes it appears that SGI was in debt to the NRL for 6m - St George liable for 3m and Illawarra liable for 3m before the WIN investment.

An agreement was struck with WIN to purchase the Illawarra shares and pay down the NRL debt. Total price 10m.

So WIN pays Illawarra 4m for the Illawarra shares - all of which is used to pay Illawarra debt and non of this to pay the SGI debt.

Now WIN is a 50% owner of SGI which is in debt to the NRL for approximately 6m.

WIN pays 6m to the NRL which completes the deal. So SGI benefits to the tune of 3m as WIN was only liable as a 50% owner. to pay 3m.

End result:
Illawarra surrender all of their shares of SGI to WIN for 4m.
Illawarra pay there debts of approximately 4m.
WIN obtain their 50% shares of SGI.
As part of the deal, WIN pays the NRL 6m to discharge SGI debt.
So as St George are liable for 50% of the NRL debt.3m
WIN as 50% owner is liable for 50% of the debt 3m..
 
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Look forward to seeing Lomax play Centre and Field starring as super sub.

Unless the forwards lift the halves will continue to be ineffective.

Am thinking we may have one last win before being embarrassed in week 1 of finals.

If we get smashed by Knights, Mary is gone
 

Vinnie

Juniors
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Look forward to seeing Lomax play Centre and Field starring as super sub.

Unless the forwards lift the halves will continue to be ineffective.

Am thinking we may have one last win before being embarrassed in week 1 of finals.

If we get smashed by Knights, Mary is gone

As usual Field will get 10mins if lucky. unless we cop an injury or sin bin.
 

TruSaint

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We expect to beat Newcastle on their "old boys" day, after the debacle of last week ?

Cant see it, and even if we get over the line, it will be a shallow win that will be shown up week 1 of the finals.
 

Overseas dragon

Juniors
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slightly out of context robbie farah misses one tackle and cleary hooks him .mary takes a little bit longer just a little bit ..............like never
 

rednwhites

Juniors
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The morale has never been so bad in all my years supporting the Dragons.

Even when we've been out of the finals we've had some belief in the club, the coach, the players for the future. There's always been pride in the big red v.

Right now we are waiting to be flogged and then stand around and watch the club honour this guy's last year of his contract because 'we made the finals'. It's all about the players and coach being great mates, just squatting at this great establishment.

So predictable, so gut wrenching and horrible. Testing me to no end. Wish it was possible to change clubs because I truly don't feel this imbecile board stands for what I do. How many frikkin' years...
 

getsmarty

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KICKOFF: Dragons facing fresh character test
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GUTTED: St George Illawarra coach Paul McGregor was at a loss to explain his side's capitulation against the Bulldogs at Kogarah last week. Picture: AAP Image/Brendan Esposito

IT was the ancient Greeks who first posited the idea of self-fulfilling prophecy. Wikipedia describes it as: “a prediction that directly or indirectly causes itself to become true.”

Now ancient Greek philosophy is not Kickoff’s usual fare, and we should probably cop to the fact that the aforementioned knowledge came as we googled the term trying to make sense of yet another late-season fade from the Dragons.

It’s hard to recall a more empty feeling in our time covering the game than watching Jason Nightingale bid farewell to Kogarah in the rain with a deserted hill as a backdrop after being flogged 38-0 by the Bulldogs on Sunday.

Most Dragons fans had headed for the exits 15 minutes before fulltime. Those that stayed were huddled around the tunnel to hurl abuse at the players as they left the field. A week earlier, Paul McGregor and the Dragons players had described Leichhardt Oval as a hostile environment to play in. Turns out it had nothing on their own back yard.

Tipping the Dragons to fall off their early-season perch is a fun hobby for rival supporters, it’s an easy question for us media types to ask, but it’s a flat out obsession for the club’s own fans. There’s no other fanbase in Australian sport that so readily directs vitriol at their own team.

On Sunday though, it was hard to argue with them. Many predicted the Dragons would finish in the bottom four this season. On that score you could say they’ve succeeded simply by making the finals for just the second time in six years – but we won’t, we can’t and we shouldn’t. Modest preseason predictions can’t be used in retrospect to justify a 2-8 run down the stretch of the season.

Not that those angry fans were surprised, most of them predicted the exact scenario we’re now seeing played out (some seem more satisfied that their doomsday predictions are coming true than with their side making the finals for just the second time in six years).

It’s easier to expect disappointment than to hope and have your heart broken. McGregor was first asked how he’d address late-season wobbles in round five. It seemed absurd at the time, but there’s no escaping the pattern that’s once again reared its head.

It’s where you start to wonder if it’s become a self-fulfilling prophecy – if all the questions, all the denials all the efforts made to avoid the situation that’s befallen them has in fact drawn them closer to the very fate they’ve sought to avoid.

McGregor seemed lost for answers in the post-match presser on Sunday. Tyson Frizell did to. Speak to the players – in particular those who’ve been at the club for multiple seasons – a “here we go again” feeling is palpable.

The Dragons have spent 22 of 24 rounds in the top four, 14 of them on top of the ladder. The prospect of not finishing there is simply unfathomable. The Panthers are in a similar boat and now the only hope either side seemingly has of reaching week two of the finals is if they end up playing each other in week one.

While it’s not hard to see why Penrith have hit the skids, why the Dragons have is a harder question to answer. On Saturday they play Newcastle at McDonald Jones Stadium. In three straight wooden spoon seasons, crowds have never dropped below 10,000.

It makes Saturday’s match in Newcastle a strange affair. Knights fans will turn out in droves to cheer on a side that can’t make the finals, a week after Dragons fans stayed behind in droves to kick their side on the way into them.

It’s impossible to fathom Novocastrians booing their side, win, lose or draw. Then again, in all their losses over those three seasons, it’s hard to find one quite like the Dragons’ last week.

It’s been a mantra of McGregor’s this year that his players have 80 minutes each week to “go out and protect their character.” That’s the task they face this week. They can worry about the finals next week.

https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5614997/kickoff-dragons-face-fresh-character-test/?cs=3713
 

merahputih

Juniors
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It's possible that the self fulfilling prophecy idea holds water. Young guys, even though they don't read newspapers like old farts like me do, are constantly on social media which is full of stories and comment about The Dragons end of year slump. It should inspire them to fire up and prove all the doubters wrong but I think there are other factors at play inside the club which are working against the team bouncing back. Interesting that in Andrew Webster's excellent article in the SMH today he claims Ben Hunt was offered the services of a sports psychologist but refused it. He apparently did something similar at the Broncos after his gaff in the 2015 GF and went into his shell for some time. At least in that case he had an off season to get over it.
 

Dragonslayer

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I found McGregors comments on the coaches preview interesting especially surrounding Dufty.

So, Dufty was put on the bench last week due to fatigue. If he was so fatigued why even put him on the bench? Givd him a week off would have been a logical answer (ah yes we are talking McGregor here) and a pwrfect oppirtunity to play Herbert from the bench.

Herbert played ISP ran for 240+ metres scored a try and set up 2 others, whilst Dufty?
 

rednwhites

Juniors
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It really is a shame. Paul McGregor was a great centre.

He can't seem to do anything right as a coach and is enemy number 1 as far as I am concerned.
 

getsmarty

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Dufty returns to starting role
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TOUGH NIGHT: Matt Dufty in action against the Bulldogs. Picture: AAP

DRAGONS coach Paul McGregor says the Matt Dufty bench experiment is at an end, confirming his No. 1 will start Saturday's match against Newcastle.

It comes after Dufty was benched for last week's match against the Bulldogs, though he was thrown into the action early after Euan Aitken suffered a hamstring injury.

“It's a question that's been raised through the week,” McGregor said.

“Me and Matt had a chat last week and he'd been fatigued for a number of weeks at training and was taking that into games. It was just an open conversation between a coach and a player.

“Both wingers played well against the Tigers and Jase [Nightingale] was back. He was on the field after 15-20 minutes and we were down 6-0 so it wasn't why we lost.

“It was more around the management of Matt because, when a player's fatigued, and he's telling you he's fatigued, you've got to do something about it.

"He'll [start] at fullback this week.”

https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/5619583/dufty-to-start-against-knights/?cs=302
 

getsmarty

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Last chance for Dragons ahead of sudden-death showdown
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PICTURE: NRL Photos

HE'S had plenty of headaches following his side's 38-0 loss to the Bulldogs last week, but St George Illawarra coach Paul McGregor says they're headaches eight other coaches would like to have a week out from the finals.

After spending 22 of 24 rounds inside the the top four, the Dragons let it slip with the heavy loss to the Bulldogs at Kogarah that saw their own fans boo them from the park at fulltime.

The emotional reaction has divided opinion in the aftermath but McGregor, who's copped the brunt of criticism, said the fans are entitled to to voice theirs.

“It was pretty heated on Sunday. There was a lot to play for and we didn't get the result we wanted,” McGregor said.

“We've got passionate fans and sometimes they get frustrated and hurt. When you're frustrated and hurt, it comes out and that's what the players were exposed to on the weekend.

“There were a lot of frustrated and hurt people in the shed afterwards as well. Our whole focus and process had been on finishing in the top four.

“We'd been there for 24 rounds, so it was hard pill to swallow, but it's gone. What we do next is important.”

In contrast to last season, the loss to the Dogs won't cost them a finals berth, but a loss to the Knights in Newcastle on Saturday would see them head in with just two wins from their final nine matches.

It's far from the ideal preparation for sudden death footy, but McGregor is confident his side can still mount a compelling finals charge.

“If you look at the Cowboys last year, they fell in because of us falling out and they went on and made the grand final,” McGregor said.

“We obviously take ownership of our last five weeks, there’s only been one good 80-minute performance, but we are in the finals.

“There's eight other teams next week that start their off-season and eight other coaches who'd like to be in the finals. A new competition starts in a week's time but we need a big performance this weekend first.

"We'll worry about the finals next week, and really enjoy that week, but we're one day away from playing Newcastle so we're just looking forward to that.”

With their top four hopes dashed, McGregor says he's urged his side to play with the freedom that sparked their early season run.

“The expectation's been pretty high, now the expectation's not there because we can't make the top four unless a miracle happens along the way,” he said.

“You probably lose a bit of confidence along the way and get a bit rigid in what you do so it's about freeing that up a bit.

“You can get away from what worked so the main thing is getting back to our style of footy and the way we played the first 16 rounds."

The limp to the finish line has upped the pressure on McGregor amid the wider coaching chaos that's engulfed the game, but he said he's not feeling uneasy about his future.

“When you've won one of your last five games and you lose an opportunity to finish in the top four there's going to be conversations around everyone's position, players coaches,” he said.

"For me it's just about what I need to do as a coach for this club and this team. I'm contracted next year, I'm happy with that.

“There's a lot of other coaches who'd like to be in my position at the moment.”

https://www.illawarramercury.com.au...ragons-ahead-of-sudden-death-showdown/?cs=302
 
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