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Round 6 vs Rabbitohs

Pomoz

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Good points ChrisD. They are still making plenty of metres though. I think part of the issue is that they aren't getting much help from the back row so that momentum is moving our way. We desperately need JFH and Carty. Losing Peachey hasn't helped either. He might not pass but he did break tackles.

You cited St George, but their props do at least have backorders like DeBelin making an impact, creating momentum and reducing the time the defence can make gang tackles. We have been one out and our back row, except for Yeo haven't hit form yet or are injured.
 

chrisD

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Yeo is playing the best he's ever played, CHN was likewise actually good. The props take the ball before the second row anyway, all they're reliant on is dummy half service, which is fine, and support players for their offloads, not applicable because they've never got a free arm. They make meters because they make so many hit ups, which is a bad thing because their hit ups are arguably of the poorest quality of all the other starting props in the game.
 
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Rothfield is saying that Moylan, Hiku & Blake were guilty of missing a 10.30pm hotel deadline, nothing else.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...n/news-story/3c3e02ed2eb9e5913a352282172e72fa

If true I can't support the suspension. I'm all for rules but the punishment should fit the crime. Treating grown men like they're children will backfire eventually, it will not instil respect.

rothfield is a clown though. look at his twitter page it is full of crap including a massive diatribe about how hooks suspension was dumb. you would think he would present every possible piece of evidence to back up his argument here. im 100% for what griffin did - at least he didnt go full bezerk like rothfield was suggesting and strip the captaincy off moylan
 

Pomoz

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Yeo is playing the best he's ever played, CHN was likewise actually good. The props take the ball before the second row anyway, all they're reliant on is dummy half service, which is fine, and support players for their offloads, not applicable because they've never got a free arm. They make meters because they make so many hit ups, which is a bad thing because their hit ups are arguably of the poorest quality of all the other starting props in the game.
Sorry Chris. It makes a difference if the defence can set itself and make gang tackles en masse. You need momentum with your backs and back row also moving the defence. We have not been doing that. Last year Mansour, DWZ, Blake, Merrin and Cartwright bent the line and moved it around. The props then weren't meeting a set, static defence line. It doesn't matter how much Tamou is paid or how good he is, a set defence will swamp him and stop his offloads.
 

mxlegend99

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Rothfield is saying that Moylan, Hiku & Blake were guilty of missing a 10.30pm hotel deadline, nothing else.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...n/news-story/3c3e02ed2eb9e5913a352282172e72fa

If true I can't support the suspension. I'm all for rules but the punishment should fit the crime. Treating grown men like they're children will backfire eventually, it will not instil respect.
They broke the rules. If you aren't going to enforce the rules why bother having them at all?

If your captain doesnt follow the rules. You need to come down hard so that he and the others fall in line.

Our coach is trying to fix the attitude problem. According to this there have been plenty more incidents... this only became public because players were dropped.

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/nrl/news/why-it-was-the-right-decision-to-drop-moylan
 
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They broke the rules. If you aren't going to enforce the rules why bother having them at all?

If your captain doesnt follow the rules. You need to come down hard so that he and the others fall in line.

Our coach is trying to fix the attitude problem. According to this there have been plenty more incidents... this only became public because players were dropped.

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/nrl/news/why-it-was-the-right-decision-to-drop-moylan

If there were other incidents then fair enough.

However that piece is very vague on the details, aside from being woefully written.

But I go back to my original point if this wasn't a first offence, you need to treat them like men not boys. The later will backfire.
 

Copperhead

Juniors
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I use Bellamy as an example to show how coaches improve players. If we can agree that coaches can and do improve players, it would seem a tad unfair to attribute any improvement to Panther players as down to just experience. Both experience and a coach have their role to play and what makes the most influence is hard to prove. It might not of a Bellamy magnitude coaching improvement, but it is unlikely to be zero either.

You responded to Umina's comment that "nobody improved under Griffin". You make a rebuttal and then qualify it by saying "the players probably improve anyway". I think that is damning Griffin with faint praise so to speak. You imply that Umina is correct. Griffin doesn't improve players.

I would make the point that just by giving the young players the playing time he has, he has helped develop them and improve them. ME wouldn't give our youth much of a chance at all, Jennings being the notable exception. Cleary wasn't big on promoting youngsters either, although to be fair the production line was only starting to yield good juniors towards the end of his reign.

The difference between Bellamy and Griffin is that most players have improved under Bellamy and only a few have under Griffin. My post wasn't a rebuttal, just a direct answer to Uminas' question on player improvement.

Overall I agree with him and others that the coach isn't doing much of a job. When your team has poor defence, no discipline and no idea in attack, how could you come to any other conclusion. We've started this season off like it's a newly assembled side trying to find a structure and combinations, when we should have been building on what was done last season, not starting again.

The only thing I applaud Griffin for is the introduction of the young players, but whether that turns out a positive in the long run depends on how he develops them. That's a big question mark for me.
 

betcats

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We are currently top 3 for errors and penalties conceded and top 5 for missed tackles. Were in trouble this year for sure.

Our attack needs Moylan to be dominant and really fire, TMM and Cleary are fantastic young halves but they are 2 years away from being ready to take us to the top four. Merrin needs to start performing, I actually think Tamou is outplaying him atm so I don't really get the hate.
 

billypilgrimnz

First Grade
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I don't know why Griffin would come out and state that he's had to deal with "a hundred" incidents at Penrith before this one - it does nothing but make both him and the club look bad (I mean, why are all these disciplinary problems still happening then?). Just say "All clubs deal with disciplinary issues, most happen behind closed doors, this one didn't, that's all there is to it" and be done with it.
 

betcats

Referee
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The ones that he miscued were the occasions where we were all over him on the fifth. We were able to put that much pressure on him on the last because it became obvious what he was trying to do. That is why he should have mixed it up a bit - to keep the South Sydney defence guessing.

No matter what kick or run he was going to do the pressure was still going to be there.
 

PANTHERMIKE

Juniors
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Players improve under Bellamy yeah. Lets not forget he has 3 future Immortals basically also running the show down there, all 3 could get start up coaching gigs in the NRL. So its no wonder players become 10 times they were before those 4 got their hands on them.
 

chrisD

Coach
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Sorry Chris. It makes a difference if the defence can set itself and make gang tackles en masse. You need momentum with your backs and back row also moving the defence. We have not been doing that. Last year Mansour, DWZ, Blake, Merrin and Cartwright bent the line and moved it around. The props then weren't meeting a set, static defence line. It doesn't matter how much Tamou is paid or how good he is, a set defence will swamp him and stop his offloads.
No, other players besides the props are not responsible for the momentum generated out of the middle, that is their role and they are paid and rated according to how well they achieve it.
 

GongPanther

Referee
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Rothfield is saying that Moylan, Hiku & Blake were guilty of missing a 10.30pm hotel deadline, nothing else.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...n/news-story/3c3e02ed2eb9e5913a352282172e72fa

If true I can't support the suspension. I'm all for rules but the punishment should fit the crime. Treating grown men like they're children will backfire eventually, it will not instill respect.

LOL,the week leading up to the clash with the Sharks,who happen to be Rothfield's team, and Rothfield just so happens to be Paul Kent's boss,rubbish like this happened last season to unsettle Cronulla's opposition V Panthers. In fact for as long as Rothfield and Gould have been feuding,there has always been some bullshit the DT will try to get mileage out of.

Can't believe people are buying into what Kent says anymore.
 

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