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Rugby Australia to target top NRL talent - Lomax case settled

Dark Corner

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In 1900 Manchester was a rugby city as was much of the North

But the northern union did little and soccer slowly took over

One of the founders of the northern union went over and became Bradford city fc

If they had fought harder who knows

The difference in Australia is league came up against union vfl and soccer all strong in nsw and qld and beat them all
A nice little piece.
 

T-Boon

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Soccer
Tennis
Golf
Basketball
Cricket
F1 / Motorsports
Athletics
UFC
Boxing

Are all clearly bigger and more global than Union and then you have the NFL that isn't played globally but is way bigger than Union.

Willie is a muppet and Union isn't anywhere near the same league as these other sports.
I would add baseball
 

Wb1234

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A nice little piece.
Good article

Not just wales

Nz, what was left of Australia and the midlands too were allowed to pay players secretly

Rfu didn’t want everyone going over to the nu
 

taste2taste

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Soccer
Tennis
Golf
Basketball
Cricket
F1 / Motorsports
Athletics
UFC
Boxing

Are all clearly bigger and more global than Union and then you have the NFL that isn't played globally but is way bigger than Union.

Willie is a muppet and Union isn't anywhere near the same league as these other sports.
Gemini lists Field Hockey as the world's 3rd most popular sport. And Basball is missing from that list.

International league cops alot of sh#t ( mostly from Union fans who want us to stay in our lane ) but there aren't many sports that can get 50k to an international. league will be getting that in the UK and Australia this weekend.
 

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A nice little piece.
If only the they had banned Gould... a statement that still rings true today.
 

Wb1234

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From elite rugby schools to NRL pathways: One of NZ’s best rugby prospects signs long-term Dragons deal
A 16-year-old prodigy from New Zealand’s most famous rugby school has shocked the sport by signing a long-term deal with the Dragons - and he’s not alone. The elite rugby schoolboys joining NRL pathways.
Fatima Kdouh
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The elite rugby schoolboys joining NRL pathways.
The elite rugby schoolboys joining NRL pathways.
St George Illawarra have pulled off a huge pathways coup, snapping up one of New Zealand’s hottest schoolboy rugby union prospects from All Blacks factory, Auckland Grammar School.
In the latest sign of the NRL’s growing appeal in the rugby union-mad nation, Rokko Walker, a First XV five-eighth at the prestigious Auckland Grammar School, has agreed to join the Dragons on a four-year deal.
Described as a ‘blue chip talent’, Walker, who was on the radar of both rugby codes, will join the St George Dragons Harold Matthews Cup (under-17) set-up in Sydney.
He’ll also attend the prestigious Cranbrook School in Bellevue Hill, making him the latest of a growing number of league prospect in an NRL pathways system to join in a rugby union program at an elite private school.
Walker’s defection follows in the footsteps of Sydney Roosters youngster James Finegan, the son of Wallabies legend Owen Finegan, who has opted to pursue a chance at an NRL career over rugby union.

The Dragons have locked down up-and-coming teenager Rokko Walker, who will star in their pathways system. Can he turn the sides of the club?
Like Finegan, Walker also has some impressive pedigree in the 15-man game.
The 16-year-old is the son of former Highlanders five-eighth Willie Walker, who also played in England’s top rugby division for Gloucester and Worcester.
“I played professionally for about 18 years, I played at the Highlanders, played for New Zealand Maori, and also spent time in France, played in Italy, in Japan, had about six years in England towards the back end of my career,” Willie Walker said.
“So Rokko has always been in and around rugby.
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you can imagine the pull to stay in rugby would have been quite strong for Rokko.
“But his mother just said, ‘hey Willie, it’s not about you anymore. It’s about your son, and if he wants to play league, let him play league.”
Willie conceded Rokko’s new-found love for the other code did come as a shock.
“Yeah, it was a little bit of a head turner for me at the time,” Willie said.
“I was just thinking, does he really want to play ‘that game’ over rugby union.
“In the end, we were pretty open to it. It’s just another opportunity for him to do whatever he wants to do. And if he goes and excels at it, then cool.
“I understand that as a coach myself, I don’t want parents influencing kids when it comes to stuff we are trying to teach.
“So I try not to let my opinion on things influence Rokko.”
The elite rugby schoolboys linking with NRL clubs.
The elite rugby schoolboys linking with NRL clubs.
Such are his talents, Rokko quickly ascended through ranks, making his First XV debut at just 15 years old at Auckland Grammar School, which has produced more All Blacks than any other school in New Zealand, including the likes of rugby great Grant Fox and current star Rieko Ioane.
Walker’s quick elevation into the First XV side at such a young age is a feat rarely achieved at prestigious union schools in New Zealand.
“It’s very uncommon actually, to be playing for XV’s in that year of school and at that age, because he’s a year young for his grade as well,” Willie said.
“I don’t think there would be many kind of 15 year olds around the country playing at that level.”
To continue his rugby league education, Orr believed a move across the ditch to Australia was the crucial next step in his development, despite some initial interest from the Warriors.
It didn’t take long before NRL clubs started to take notice of the 188cm (6-foot-2) teenager, who is not only skilful but also a speed demon.
“Coming over to Australia is important for his league career, because, as I said to him and the family, ‘if you want to learn about rugby league, you should come to a country that’s very rugby league focused,” Orr said.
“He had landed on the radar of Ian Millward, who was at the Dragons and we met to discuss his transition.
“They were looking at someone who could play in the spine, at one, six or seven.
“Rokko fits that bill, whether it’s at fullback or five-eighth.”
Rokko and Willie aren’t the only Walkers with sporting pedigree. Rokko’s mother Michelle also represented New Zealand in hockey, while older brother Parma is carving out his path to professional sport over in America.
Parma, who was also a promising rugby prospect, is on a golf scholarship at Highland College in Illinois.
South Sydney have signed top Kiwi rugby prospect Saumaki Saumaki. Photo: Waterboy Rugby
South Sydney have signed top Kiwi rugby prospect Saumaki Saumaki. Photo: Waterboy Rugby
“Parma is currently playing golf over in America, and he’s on a scholarship,” Willie said.
“He is a very good rugby player too, he played First XV at Westlake Boys High School but in his final year of school just said, ‘I don’t want to play rugby. I want to have a look at golf’.
“So that what he is doing.
“But again, like with Rokko, its just an opportunity to study and to go and do what he loves, which is play golf every day.”
Rokko will arrive in Australia later this year when he will join the NRL side for pre-season training, giving coach Shane Flanagan a first hand look at the talented teenager.
Meanwhile, South Sydney have snared their own Kiwi teenage cross-code talent in Saumaki Saumaki. Rated as one of the top rugby prospects in New Zealand, and a product of the famed Nelson College, the First XV loose head forward has signed a two-year deal with the Rabbitohs.
 

BODISGOD

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Rugby league was created so that working class players would be covered their lost wages when they went to train or play the game or got injured

Union denying them this was because they didn’t want working class players in their game

It was a game for “gentlemen”

Which is fine enough if your game is elitist

We aren’t

League isn’t banning players who go to union … but they should
Amateur sport is not unique to rugby union. I know this amazes some of you lot but perhaps you should get more perspective.

At the end of the day the fact is that Rugby League went into Wales, pillaged players and then went back home.

When the shoe was on the other foot for the RFL in the 1970s, they looked to deny the players making a better income and instead instituted bans.
 

Wb1234

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Amateur sport is not unique to rugby union. I know this amazes some of you lot but perhaps you should get more perspective.

At the end of the day the fact is that Rugby League went into Wales, pillaged players and then went back home.

When the shoe was on the other foot for the RFL in the 1970s, they looked to deny the players making a better income and instead instituted bans.
Union was as amateur as you are honest
 

BODISGOD

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You still don't lt get it.Within rugby league ,both one and the same professional code ( the two countries were involved).
Rugby union was supposedly amateur ,they were offered money to play rugby union.From amateur to officially being paid.They were not professional ie playing union for love.They were offered money to become full time pros.

Completely different I repeat one more time.we have two rugby codes (professional) all with pathways to the top.
This one out of left field(with no junior development)is quite happy to break contracts of these two traditional codes.
If players are out of contract so be it. But why should they be welcomed back all of a sudden especially if they break contracts?
It's quite OK for RU to ban players who go to R360.

The hypocrisy is Rugby union as a so called amateur sport had no problem in France to decimate a rising professional code (RL) and in the end were rewarded for their efforts.Which no manner of gaslighting or deflection
can be removed from history.
In the business world people might leave a business specialising in such & such , but their decision can involve a legal contract not to start an opposing business in that area for X number of years. Is that a restraint of trade?
I very much "get it".

You see I don't just stop at a myopic (if brain soothing) Star Wars view of the world like so many of you appear to have.

Up until 1995 there were hundreds of Welsh players "going North". The "boot money" did not stop that. Then that stopped, basically entirely.

Rugby league was "counter fitting" the code. It was pillaging grassroots. You are really going to claim this had no impact on the development of players?

Outside of the Tony Collins view of the world (he's a good historian but very much has a perspective), I'd encourage you to read more widely on this. Les Williams, the historian of Llanelli rugby for example described how the loss of players when they were reaching their peak heavily impacted the development of players. And btw, the attempts to ever get a rugby league side up and running there were laughable to say the lease. Why would short termists in Wigan or elsewhere care? They kept coming back for the players though.

That the NRL have taken this approach is completely understandable. The same way it was for the RFL in the 1970s. The same way it was for rugby union. Don't act as though you morally pure though.
 

BODISGOD

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Union was as amateur as you are honest
There is no "amateur" sport in history that does not have elements of professionalism that seep in. This happens to this day with the likes of the GAA. Again, nothing unique about this, despite the framing by certain people rugby league. Some people really need to read more.

There are compelling reasons why sports have tried to remain amateur historically.

If the "boot money" was sufficient, you would not have had hundreds of Welsh players "going North" and then suddenly stopping in 1995. At the end of the day, the historic record of rugby league is largely as an insular game that catered for local interests. Attempts to expand were largely into rugby union places and only occasionally, and for every France expansion (where you can spin the good v evil yarn) there is the uncomfortable reality that rugby league also targeted Apartheid South Africa.
 

Wb1234

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There is no "amateur" sport in history that does not have elements of professionalism that seep in. This happens to this day with the likes of the GAA. Again, nothing unique about this, despite the framing by certain people rugby league. Some people really need to read more.

There are compelling reasons why sports have tried to remain amateur historically.

If the "boot money" was sufficient, you would not have had hundreds of Welsh players "going North" and then suddenly stopping in 1995. At the end of the day, the historic record of rugby league is largely as an insular game that catered for local interests. Attempts to expand were largely into rugby union places and only occasionally, and for every France expansion (where you can spin the good v evil yarn) there is the uncomfortable reality that rugby league also targeted Apartheid South Africa.
Arthur Gould was given a house by the welsh Rugby Union

And the rfu ignored it because they didn’t want to lose wales to the northern union

Just like they ignored players being paid in New Zealand and by the midlands clubs

Seems like the rfu and the union game were ok with it when it suited them
 

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Arthur Gould was given a house by the welsh Rugby Union

And the rfu ignored it because they didn’t want to lose wales to the northern union

Just like they ignored players being paid in New Zealand and by the midlands clubs

Seems like the rfu and the union game were ok with it when it suited them
Yes yes yes, we all know they did these things.

You can't seem to follow a point though. Your brain a bit fried so you're just blurting out the greatest hits now?
 

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I very much "get it".

You see I don't just stop at a myopic (if brain soothing) Star Wars view of the world like so many of you appear to have.

Up until 1995 there were hundreds of Welsh players "going North". The "boot money" did not stop that. Then that stopped, basically entirely.

Rugby league was "counter fitting" the code. It was pillaging grassroots. You are really going to claim this had no impact on the development of players?

Outside of the Tony Collins view of the world (he's a good historian but very much has a perspective), I'd encourage you to read more widely on this. Les Williams, the historian of Llanelli rugby for example described how the loss of players when they were reaching their peak heavily impacted the development of players. And btw, the attempts to ever get a rugby league side up and running there were laughable to say the lease. Why would short termists in Wigan or elsewhere care? They kept coming back for the players though.

That the NRL have taken this approach is completely understandable. The same way it was for the RFL in the 1970s. The same way it was for rugby union. Don't act as though you morally pure though.
I've read Tony Collins. I've also studied Rugby league under Vichy.I have the book"The untold story of French rugby league by Mike Rylance.
QED: I don't need any lectures on that aspect.

Well the pillaging of rugby league players & assets by the French rugby union ,had a detrimental, impact on not only young players but the code as a whole.
Union in France treated amateurism as a joke,as did Italy an even SA.
Even in NZ senior ABS received financial benefits admitted to by PM Muldoon.

Consequently any pillaging of players at grassroots did not diminish the respective unions as a code around the world ,nowhere near the extent union did in France.They all survived and thrived, rugby league in France is a shadow of its former self.
You miss the issue of private schools who do not allow rugby league in their school sports curriculum, the tradition of not allowing another sport like rugby league continues.

Ever though the kids who played rugby league as juniors, parents sent their children to private schools and in past years that pretty much ended their rl grassroots.These days the NRL clubs actually pay for young players to go to these schools where they play both codes school and rl club juniors.
You still have difficulty in accepting that your code in France did not only diminish juniors but the game itself from juniors to the top.
Now finally as both codes are professional there is some growth in Wales.They get a choice funny that.

You have a strange view on morality when a code is decimated at all levels by a ru whose officials had relationship with Vichy Officials to ensure rugby league was put in its place & has never recovered .
As I've actually played rugby union at school for 5 years , never played rugby league, and I am of French descent
I don't have a myopic view , I have experience more so with union , but much prefer rugby league as a far better spectacle.
When you have a shot at me supposedly being morally pure, reality check try appalling apartheid in Sth Africa where ru was ATT deeply involved. It makes what happened in France small bikkies.
 
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Wb1234

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Yes yes yes, we all know they did these things.

You can't seem to follow a point though. Your brain a bit fried so you're just blurting out the greatest hits now?
I’ll simply this for you

Union was never amateur

Yet it banned players who went to the sport that did what it did openly and honestly

That’s really dishonest and it’s not even close to the worst it’s done as a sport
 

BODISGOD

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I’ll simply this for you

Union was never amateur

Yet it banned players who went to the sport that did what it did openly and honestly

That’s really dishonest and it’s not even close to the worst it’s done as a sport
It was very much amateur in many parts of the world.

If the game wasn't, the players would not have left as they did in "convenient" geographies.

The point here is there is nobody who is whiter than white or wholly "honest".

It's time you put your big boy pants on and accepted that.
 

Wb1234

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It was very much amateur in many parts of the world.

If the game wasn't, the players would not have left as they did in "convenient" geographies.

The point here is there is nobody who is whiter than white or wholly "honest".

It's time you put your big boy pants on and accepted that.
Yeh it was amateur in the parts that don’t count or don’t play the game

England wales and nz however all cheated.

Obviously if they had followed their own rules wales nz and the midlands would’ve all been lost
 

BODISGOD

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I've read Tony Collins. I've also studied Rugby league under Vichy.I don't need any lectures on that aspect.
Well the pillaging of rugby league players & assets by the French rugby union ,had a detrimental, impact on not only young players but the code as a whole.Union in France treated amateurism as a joke,as did Italy an even SA.
Even in NZ senior ABS received financial benefits admitted to by PM Muldoon.
Consequently any pillaging of players at grassroots did not diminish the respective unions around the world ,nowhere near the extent union did in France.They all survived and thrived, rugby league in France is a shadow of its former self.
You miss the issue of private schools who do not allow rugby league in their school sports curriculum, the tradition of not allowing another sport like rugby league continues.
Ever thought about the kids who played rugby league as juniors, parents sent their children to private schools and in past years that pretty much ended their rl grassroots.These days the NRL clubs actually pay for young players to go to these schools where they play both codes school and rl club juniors.
You still have difficulty in accepting that your code in France did not only diminish juniors but the game itself from juniors to the top.
You have a strange view on morality when a code is decimated at all levels by a ru whose officials had relationship with Vichy Officials to ensure rugby league was put in its place & has never recovered .
Honestly can some of you lot follow a discussion or are you just regurgitating the greatest hits?

I did not bring up Vichy to "educate" you. I brought it up because the likes of your repeat it like a robot, because it fits into the Victimhood "good v evil" narrative. You don't bring up the efforts to expand the game in Apartheid South Africa by Bill Fallowfield and others, because that would be awkward. At a time when other sports were beginning to ban SA, Rugby League went in there to try to convert Rugby Union. It doesn't fit your narrative that you tried for a "Rugby League Springboks" in 1962 for example, when FIFA had banned them the previous year from playing football.

Wrong on pillaging of players. You just don't get it. Northern Rugby League clubs went in and weakened clubs and the game in Wales. They put the square root of f all into the grassroots but took all that "IP" (to use the PVL quote). They were lazy and short termist - they went to Wales because Wales was down the road the motorway. They did not care for the game there, just taking the resources.

I am not here to defend every single thing RU did because much of it is indefensible, I am simply laughing at some of you and your mental gymnastics.
 

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Yeh it was amateur in the parts that don’t count or don’t play the game

England wales and nz however all cheated.

Obviously if they had followed their own rules wales nz and the midlands would’ve all been lost
It was very much amateur in many parts of the world and some breaks of amateurism does not mean the game was not such.

Again if it was so sufficient, the Welsh players wouldn't have moved north in their droves.

That's the point.
 

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