Rugby League in Commonwealth Games?

[ParraEelsNRL]

What a strange thing to post

Not really, just go through your posts and that'll tell us all about it because that's what you post on every forum you visit.


There are no RL players anywhere, they are all Union players keeping fit over the offseason.

 

[bowes]

What a weird person you are.

99% of my posts don't concern RU but because I happen to have a 2nd favourite sport of RU apparently that means I can't like RL which is my favourite sport? What an odd viewpoint that is.

I think it's safe to say that someone playing 30 games for their RU club and then 3 games of RL representing their RU club in Ireland then that's a RU player having a kickabout, not RL development. People on the ground in Ireland are horrified they've been forced down from a 10 game season to a 3 game season over just 2 years, so I don't know who you are think you are trying to claim it's an acceptable way to develop RL.

As someone actually involved in RL development outside the heartlands I know how much better it is to have RL players through and through than RU players playing a dozen games in their off-season. They're still RL players as well as RU players, but it really isn't the best way to develop the game in the long run.

You've maliciously taken this thread off track for no reason but if you want to continue this discussion on an appropriate thread feel free to start one. But I'll always hold that full rugby league seasons is the better way to develop the sport than small RU off-season ones

Furthermore the semi-professional RU club in Coventry are significantly HELPING the RL club in their bid to turn semi-professional, so I naturally don't share your prejudices. Last year we used mostly dual code players, this year we have mainly RL only players and the difference is very striking, but you couldn't be expected to know this from Australia.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

I don't give a stuff what you think or say, your posts over the years at this site a quite a few others tells the story. (should we go through your posts to see how many times the almighty union is mentioned?)

I don't want to read line after line after line blah blah blah.

Tell it to your mate PW and have another giggle.

 

[roughyedspud]

wow....someone pissed the bed last night...lol

 

[bowes]

ParraEelsNRL I really don't see what your problem is, how come you can have a civilised debate with RL with me on most threads but because I don't support Dublin for SL you start making up false accusations for no good reason? Go to any British RL forum and you'll realise my views on the matter are normal.

Go to totalrl and the vast majority of my posts are about amateur rugby league or the Championship expansion. You know this but are choosing to ignore the fact. You also made up lies about me writing magazine articles when I've never done such a thing.

 

[Sam_the_man]

You do seem to have a certain RU leaning, Bowes. Weather thats by accident or a conscious thing i'm not sure.

 

[bowes]

You do seem to have a certain RU leaning, Bowes. Weather thats by accident or a conscious thing i'm not sure.

It's my (distant) 2nd favourite sport but I haven't watched a game for 2 years, I was more into it 5-6 years ago. If my 2nd favourite sport were cricket or soccer noone would try to claim I didn't like RL but some people are still in the dark ages with prejudice.

But my major interest is grassroots expansion of rugby league and unfortunately that is currently reliant on RU in the UK. A few ignorant armchair warriors mainly from Australia like to think of expansion purely in terms of setting up brand new clubs for SL but that's not all it's about (this is an Australian cultural attitude that doesn't translate to the UK). Those who actually truly do something about it know that unfortunately new development clubs ate often reliant on RU clubs and players. Many a more involved person than me could explain something of the downfalls but also opportunities of this approach. Anyone saying RU is irrelevent to the issue is too ignorant to have an opinion on the topic.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

I like to know who these armchair warriors are that want to throw teams straight into SL are.

And if it's an Australian thing, why the f**k do the Western Reds have an U18 side instead of an NRL side right now?

You think we're ignorant, how about having a look in the f**king mirror for once.

 

[bowes]

It's an Australian thing to want to chuck teams straight into SL not the NRL (this forum's full of harebrained suggestions to that effect). People have more sense wen it comes to their own country's league. I bet you wouldn't have supported creating an NRL team in an area with NO juniors whatsoever the way you did with an Irish SL team.

Of course you're ignorar of the nature of expanding RL in non-heartland areas of the UK next to me. Next to you I would be ignorant of Parramatta Eels or your local Country Group but the difference is I don't try to lecture you on them or claim you write magazine articles on then with no evidence.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

It's an Australian thing to want to chuck teams straight into SL not the NRL (this forum's full of harebrained suggestions to that effect). People have more sense wen it comes to their own country's league. I bet you wouldn't have supported creating an NRL team in an area with NO juniors whatsoever the way you did with an Irish SL team.

1st one smartarse, get the post where I said to PUT an IRISH team into SUPER League straight away.

2nd, if you don't like the forum, don't post and don't come here so you don't have to put up with the harebrained suggestions from us wacky Aussies and Kiwis.

3rd, yes people have more sense in regards to their country, yet you seem to be able to blah blah blah about Australia, France, Russia and god knows don't you?

We put teams here and there because it's not SL blah blah blah, well where the hell are these so called teams?

4th, Aren't the Melbourne Storm a team that was created without juniors or anything else?

Do some homework ffs.

Of course you're ignorar of the nature of expanding RL in non-heartland areas of the UK next to me.

Not ignorant, pissed off that sports England can give 30 million to RL and all they seem to be doing is trying to convert Unionites and paying Unionites to teach them, talk about a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Expansion is the same the world over and don't even try and say it isn't.

Next to you I would be ignorant of Parramatta Eels or your local Country Group but the difference is I don't try to lecture you on them or claim you write magazine articles on then with no evidence.

You don't lecture, naaa never, you also don't think anyone plays RL because they are all Union juniors.

Your article was a Union suck up, nothing more and nothing less, why you even thought you needed to mention them in a RUGBY LEAGUE magazine and for them to print it in the first place is f**king well beyond me.

 

[bowes]

Your point about Sports England trying to convert RU players rather than develop RL players is actually exactly the point I was trying to make and the main reason I bring up RU (in fact the only other time is when someone else brings it up). We can discuss this on an Irish thread but there's a lot of resentment by legitimate RL clubs in Ireland that the RLI emphasise development through RU.

Seriously what magazine article are you claiming I wrote? That's just a lie as I think I'd remember writing a magazine article, unless someone used by name falsely.

I use this forum because it's the best source for international RL. Unfortunately now and again someone's allowed to ruin it.

 

[Bluebags1908]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226050089466

League in bid for Games

JAMAL Idris and Jharal Yow Yeh could be on their way to becoming Commonwealth Games stars if rugby league wins its bid for inclusion in the program at a meeting starting in Kuala Lumpur tomorrow.

The Rugby League International Federation confirmed yesterday it would make its case for inclusion before the Commonwealth Games Federation's sport committee, with the aim of being included in the 2018 competition if the Gold Coast wins its bid to host the event.

The Gold Coast and its only rival, Hambantota in Sri Lanka, will present their bid books to the CGF in Malaysia next week, with the host city decision to be taken on November 11 in St Kitts and Nevis.

The British-based Rugby Football League is taking the lead in the sport's bid and the RLF's director of participation, David Gent, will present the proposal. Gent was previously involved in a successful bid by the International Canoe Federation to be added to the list of optional sports for the Commonwealth Games.

Australia captain Darren Lockyer and New Zealand counterpart Benji Marshall have made video messages to be presented as part of rugby league's pitch.

RLIF international development manager Tas Baitieri was optimistic yesterday.

"We have been working on it for the last six months and we have 16 countries lined up to participate," Baitieri said.

"Let's hope it goes our way -- we think we have a good showing."
The proposal is for either a sevens or nines competition to be added to the 11-day Games program, but the RLIF favours the nines version.

Australian Commonwealth Games Association chief Perry Crosswhite is also enthusiastic about the proposal.

"The future of the Commonwealth Games is to make sure that you have sports that are strong in the Commonwealth," he said.

"That's what it's about, it's not a small version of the Olympics, it needs that point of difference."






Any decision on this yet?

 

[The Observer]

Teams should probably select players from outside the NRL and SL, as their players will invariably be required for club duties. RU's World Sevens teams select specialist players that aren't on Super Rugby or European club duty for the 7s circuit, and they are mostly young 20 year old players. Australia, NZ and England could select primarily from the NYC and SL Academy Under 20s. The other nations could select from their domestic competitions as much as possible.

 

[bender]

Maybe RL should consider nominating Touch Rugby League as the game of choice?

 

[juro]

Rugby 7s is already a sport at the Comm Games (not that I ever recall seeing footage of it). Would they be willing to have two closely related sports? Would it cause problems with needing more venues?

 

[Knownothing]

Rugby 7s is already a sport at the Comm Games (not that I ever recall seeing footage of it). Would they be willing to have two closely related sports? Would it cause problems with needing more venues?

RU Sevens is an established part of the Commonwealth Games programme, and is unlikely to be supplanted in the forseeable future. RL Nines might have a good shot as an "exhibition" sport, if the Goldie wins the gig.

 

[docbrown]

RU Sevens is an established part of the Commonwealth Games programme, and is unlikely to be supplanted in the forseeable future. RL Nines might have a good shot as an "exhibition" sport, if the Goldie wins the gig.

Well whether or not it were to remain part of the regular fixture would be determined by the popularity and competitiveness of the first edition.

The Rugby Sevens in Dehli was played over two days at one venue which solely hosted that one event. If Rugby League can field the same number of entrants (the 16 who have confirmed interest) then I can't see why they wouldn't go for it as it increases their return value for that facility plus there's an overlapping interest across the two codes.

Some of the nations who would be involved struggle to compete in the more traditional Olympic event type categories but can put in strong performances in football.

Getting into the Commonwealth Games will no doubt help nations in the Pacific, Africa and Carribean decide to invest funds into Rugby League development.

 

[Knownothing]

Well whether or not it were to remain part of the regular fixture would be determined by the popularity and competitiveness of the first edition.

The Rugby Sevens in Dehli was played over two days at one venue which solely hosted that one event. If Rugby League can field the same number of entrants (the 16 who have confirmed interest) then I can't see why they wouldn't go for it as it increases their return value for that facility plus there's an overlapping interest across the two codes.

Some of the nations who would be involved struggle to compete in the more traditional Olympic event type categories but can put in strong performances in football.

Getting into the Commonwealth Games will no doubt help nations in the Pacific, Africa and Carribean decide to invest funds into Rugby League development.

It probably would. On the other hand, RU Sevens will be in the Olympic Games from 2016, so in countries where there is some government funding for the rugby codes, you would guess that it might be more likely to go to RU because there are the two opportunities for medals every four years.

 

[docbrown]

It probably would. On the other hand, RU Sevens will be in the Olympic Games from 2016, so in countries where there is some government funding for the rugby codes, you would guess that it might be more likely to go to RU because there are the two opportunities for medals every four years.

There is alot of player overlap in these places.

That said - some funding > no funding

 

[docbrown]

Phase One Successful! Congratulations!

Rugby League’s success as a growing international sport has been recognised by the Commonwealth Games Federation at their meeting in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur.

The Federation today gave its unanimous support to an application for Rugby League to become a Category Three sport, an important step which will enable the sport to continue to expand and develop across the globe.

The application was presented to the Sports Review Committee of the Commonwealth Games Federation by a delegation from the Rugby League International Federation led by David Gent, Chairman of the RLIF’s Commonwealth Commission.

“This is an exciting day for Rugby League and I would like to place on record my thanks to the Commonwealth Games Federation for their support of our application,” said Gent.

“Rugby League has a long tradition of being played in Commonwealth countries and so this recognition by the CGF will ensure that the game continues to prosper in regions such as Europe and Oceania.

“Recognition by the Commonwealth Games Federation will also enable Commonwealth countries in Africa, the Americas, Asia and the Caribbean to develop the game and help the RLIF strengthen competition at a Commonwealth and world level.”

Category Three recognition is an important first step towards presence at a future Games and will allow Rugby League to work with the regional Commonwealth Games associations on development projects.

Commonwealth Games Federation vice-president HRH Tunku Imran said: “Category Three sports are those that we recognise as working towards future inclusion and we are very pleased to see the high level of commitment by the Rugby League International Federation to further develop the sport across the Commonwealth.

“It is a key criteria that any sport on our programme is played widely across as many of our member nations as possible.”

Rugby League’s successful inclusion followed an eight-month application process steered by the RLIF’s Commonwealth Commission, representing all six regions of the Commonwealth Games.

Richard Lewis, the Deputy Chairman of the RLIF and Chairman of the RFL, said recognition by the Commonwealth Games Federation has deep significance for Rugby League.

“This is the first time we have had official recognition by a global multi-sports organisation and is a massive step forward for the sport,” said Lewis.

“Although it does pave the way for Rugby League to be played in future Commonwealth Games, that’s not what this application is about. In the short- to medium term, Commonwealth Games recognition will help us realise our ambitions to further establish Rugby League as a truly international sport.”

The officers of the Commonwealth Commission, which will now draft a Commonwealth development strategy, comprises Eric Perez (Canada Rugby League and Americas), Sue Morris (Jamaican Rugby League Association and Caribbean), Anthony Micallef (Malta Rugby League and Europe), Louis Fourie (South Africa Rugby League and Africa), Asia (no representative) and Colin Love (Australian Rugby League and Oceania); Richard Lewis (RLIF), Nadene Conlon (New Zealand Rugby League and ‘athlete representative&#8217 and Danny Kazandjian (co-ordinator).

http://www.superleaguefans.com/rugb...e-secures-commonwealth-games-recognition.html