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Rugby league's dirty secret

possm

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They are known as "the money men" and they are rugby league's dirty secret.

Every club has them, said one businessman, and he should know because over the years he has both collected "the folding stuff" and put in his own money to try to buy an advantage for his team.

The money men are club diehards whose loyalty to their team is being exploited by club officials who are organising for cash payments to be made directly to players or their managers. The know they are part of an underhand scheme to deliberately subvert the salary cap. But the money men don't care. Every club does it, they say – especially the wealthier clubs.

"The stronger clubs have got more hangers-on willing to pay. People with clout tend to hang round people with clout," the bagman said. Clubs like Parramatta, which are run by non-businessmen, are at a disadvantage, he said. "The smart clubs, which are run by professionals, they are the ones who don't get caught." "If you honestly believe the [name successful club] players fit under the salary cap, you need rocks in your head," the bagman said.

"The top 17 players at the [names club] – every one of those players gets a brown paper bag full of the folding stuff," he said. He goes on to name a prominent official at this club who collects hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by "putting the squeeze on business people who want to be part of the inner sanctum". In 2010 the self-confessed bagman was called upon to pay almost $100,000 in cash to a one-time Queensland State of Origin star to sweeten the deal for the famous player to sign with a new club.

Such was the interest in the player, his signing delivered more than 10,000 "bums on seats" at the home games, the bagman told Fairfax Media. The bagman said some clubs didn't want to know how it was done. They just say that player X needs a certain amount of money, can you sort it out? At other clubs the bagman said the first thing a coach wanted to know when he came to a club was: Who are the money men?

"They [club officials] organise a dinner, a barbecue or a cruise and they invite all the people who "help out". The coach meets people and then with the CEO they work out a plan of attack, who can do what, who they want to buy and then they approach the money men to see if they can help out After the "plan of attack" is worked out, sometimes the money men are dispatched to collect payments from the "so-called third party sponsor". "We are told: 'Go and see Joe Blow at SpareParts.com.
"I say, 'I am here to see you about your player, can you help out?'

"He's already been told, so he says, 'Yeah mate'. And then he goes to the safe and hands over the money. I say, 'If you want the player to come and do some promo work, just let us know'." In return, the "donors" are given access to the dressing rooms, they and their mates are given tickets, they go on trips with players, their kids get to be ball boys, and they feel part of the inner sanctum. "Anyone who helps out 'in folding' [money] gets access to anywhere they like. They get looked after," the bagman said.

At the heart of the scheme are the player managers, some of whom siphon off a cut of the money, he said. One player manager lost several high-profile clients after he was caught pocketing cash payments that were meant for his players. "The player managers orchestrate it. They don't care if the payments to their players are on the books, legitimate TPAs [third party agreements] or a brown paper bag," he said. He said in the past players were paid outside the salary cap through cars or apartments. The apartments were commonly in brand new developments. The player sold the apartment upon completion but before the land title was officially registered.

That way, it was difficult to trace that they had ever had an interest in the building in question. The bagman named a club official saying, he is "far too clever to do cars or units or anything like that. [The club official] says it is all in brown paper bags and it gets left on a table for the player manager to pick it up." Peter Grimshaw, the media spokesman for the NRL, said he would wait to see the allegations before making any comment.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...essions-of-an-nrl-bagman-20160508-gop7ys.html

WOW! Is this the reason why we can't sign the better players.
 

BrissyRedV

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Gee it would be nice to see some clubs actually get caught when we all know that they are guilty as sin. Pardon the pun...
 

Jubileeboy

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Gee it would be nice to see some clubs actually get caught when we all know that they are guilty as sin. Pardon the pun...

If Inspector Clouseau (Ian Schubert) can't find the money trail with Parramatta, this will show the NRL up for the bumbling fools they are.
To date, Schubert has not uncovered any of the rorting clubs as they have all been discovered by complete accident or the result of a whistleblower.
However, I am reliably informed there are a few player managers sweating on the results of the NRL's findings with this.
 

BennyV

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If Inspector Clouseau (Ian Schubert) can't find the money trail with Parramatta, this will show the NRL up for the bumbling fools they are.
To date, Schubert has not uncovered any of the rorting clubs as they have all been discovered by complete accident or the result of a whistleblower.
However, I am reliably informed there are a few player managers sweating on the results of the NRL's findings with this.

Schubert isnt the auditor these days...
 

grouch

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Schubert isnt the auditor these days...

Do you have facts to confirm this? What would you know about the management structure and requirements of the NRL? Maybe you should go support another club!.. and so on and so forth etc ad infinitum
 

Mr Red

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Do you have facts to confirm this? What would you know about the management structure and requirements of the NRL? Maybe you should go support another club!.. and so on and so forth etc ad infinitum
:lol::lol:
great impersonation !
 

Mr Red

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Schubert isnt the auditor these days...

yeah he hasnt been for years...

And the irony is that last November the eels actually hired Schubert as an independent consultant to help them clean up their financial situation.... :shock:
 
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It's plain to see. They are openly flaunting the rules and the NRL is powerless. We all know where that money went from the Bronco's leagues club via Andrew Gee's hands.

one of the great NRL mysteries isn't it
 

Mr Red

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Yeah, I know that, thanks. He has still been hired as an independent auditor to the Parramatta club to 'clean up their mess'. ...lol

so how will Schubert show the NRL up to be fools as per your original post??
"if Inspector Clouseau (Ian Schubert) can't find the money trail with Parramatta, this will show the NRL up for the bumbling fools they are."
 
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Jubileeboy

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so how will Schubert show the NRL up to be fools as per your original post??
"if Inspector Clouseau (Ian Schubert) can't find the money trail with Parramatta, this will show the NRL up for the bumbling fools they are."

Aw ffs, keep up potato.

If Schubert couldn't find any discrepancies whilst working for the NRL, what makes people think he will help Parramatta self-report to the NRL on any anomalies now?
Do you understand that?
Do you want me to draw it in crayon for you?
 

Mr Red

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Aw ffs, keep up potato.

If Schubert couldn't find any discrepancies whilst working for the NRL, what makes people think he will help Parramatta self-report to the NRL on any anomalies now?
Do you understand that?
Do you want me to draw it in crayon for you?

LOL...
i'm keeping up...

- you thought he is still employed by NRL. You first post clearly alludes to that. Otherwise if thats not what you alluded to, then your post is utter jibber...
- BennyV corrects you
- i mention Parra employed him last year
- you then realise you are caught out and conveniently twist your story.. but really you look even more foolish with your new twist...

move along, nothing to see here.... :lol:
 

Jubileeboy

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LOL...
i'm keeping up...

- you thought he is still employed by NRL. You first post clearly alludes to that. Otherwise if thats not what you alluded to, then your post is utter jibber...
- BennyV corrects you
- i mention Parra employed him last year
- you then realise you are caught out and conveniently twist your story.. but really you look even more foolish with your new twist...

move along, nothing to see here.... :lol:

What? You seriously are as dumb as dog shit. The only thing your post lacks is a 'nah-nah, nah-nah, nah-nah! ...what are you, 12?
I knew he wasn't employed by the NRL and know that he has been independently employed by Parramatta late last year to assist them 'identify' any cap issues.
Keep digging dopey... Are you Schubert? You sure seem dumb enough.
 

Mr Red

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What? You seriously are as dumb as dog shit. The only thing your post lacks is a 'nah-nah, nah-nah, nah-nah! ...what are you, 12?
I knew he wasn't employed by the NRL and know that he has been independently employed by Parramatta late last year to assist them 'identify' any cap issues.
Keep digging dopey... Are you Schubert? You sure seem dumb enough.

You're the first to jump in and correct someone or ask for factual evidence if you dont agree with someone's thoughts, however now the shoes on the other foot and you resort to insults or name calling. Classy stuff.
Anyway... I'll pull out one of your famous lines you constantly use as a fitting end to this conversation...

SSHHHH, the adults are trying to talk....
 
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WTF is going on with this forum? It is getting to Souths forum levels.

No need to turn on each other fella's.

FWIW regardless of how Jubilee's post read, he is still correct. Schubert couldn't find a peanut inside a peanut shell.
 

Como Connection

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WTF is going on with this forum? It is getting to Souths forum levels.

No need to turn on each other fella's.

FWIW regardless of how Jubilee's post read, he is still correct. Schubert couldn't find a peanut inside a peanut shell.

I was at Ballina races in February and your man Miller was there along with Nathan Long.
Both looking fit enough, didn't think the gold chains around Longy neck was very classy!
 

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