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Rule changes you would like to see in 2010

Paulie Jay

Juniors
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I hate golden point, but if they must have it there should at least be a stipulation that both teams must handle the ball before the win is awarded. I'm still smarting from the Titans golden point loss to Brisbane from a few years back where we kicked off extra time and lost the game before we had even touched the ball.

What I suggest is that if one team scores on their first possession, the opposition get one one set of six in reply. If they can't score (or knock the ball on or whatever), then the game is over.
 

legend

Coach
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Striking in the play the ball and tap ahead when there is no marker. Not sure why these rules were abolished in the first place.
 

Timmah6991

Juniors
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  • The ball can be stripped regardless of how many people are in the tackle. This will eliminate the 'loose' carry and players deliberately letting go of the ball to get a penalty.
  • Coaches challenge. No video referee at all, but the coaches are issued 3 coaches challenges a half. They do not carry over if you don't use all of them in the first half, only 3.
  • Kicks of 50/30 etc being rewarded. It's basically the same kick of 40/20
  • Instead of a scrum, the team that's been rewarded the penalty is given the ball and the team MUST use a set move. Entertainment factor increases.
  • No corner posts. At all.
 

Phillips

Referee
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Who is going to be measuring how far a player has run? :?

lol good point.

but the player should have a choice if he wants to play on or take the restart.

how many times has a player caught the ball on the full, spotted a gap and took off.. only to be called back.
 

The Colonel

Immortal
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  • Kicks of 50/30 etc being rewarded. It's basically the same kick of 40/20

50/30 would be from the halfway line to the 30 metre line and a distance of just over 20 metres.

A 40/20 is from ten metres inside the halfway line to 30 metres beyond the halfway line and a distance of over 40 metres.

So no, it isn't the same kick.

I'm assuming you mean a 50/10?
 

snickers007

Juniors
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If you can reach out and get the try so be it unless the ref has called you tackled.

Is the emphasis here on 'the ref calling tackled' or the player 'being tackled'?

If it's the latter, than this is exactly how the law currently stands. If it's the former, than we are continuing to diminish the responsibilities of the players. Rugby League is pretty much the only sport in the world where the referees need to tell the players EXACTLY how to play the game. It's absurd.


Strip rule should be 1 on 1, but if you've been touched by a player and he drops off and the next player in strips it "1 on 1" it should be allowed and not penalised.

What you've described here is currently how the law stands, but I think what you mean is that a 2 on 1 tackle that becomes a 1 on 1 tackle should allow for a steal.

The problem with this is determining whether the stealing process begins while there are 2 players effecting the tackle, or after 1 of those players has dropped off.
 

elevenstraight

Juniors
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1. Take out double movement. if you can get it there...good enough- this takes out a grey area

2. Take away the stripping rule. Doesnt matter how many tacklers there are stripping should be allowed if the player carrying it is still moving and attempting an offload. Only when the player is either "down" as in NFL (one knee/elbow/hand etc on the ground) or progression has stopped should a penalty for stripping be awarded. This promotes ball control and lessens the grey area when it comes to stripping/loose carry calls.

3. Bring back contested scrums and play the balls. The game has turned into a non contest for the football which has made it boring to a degree.
 

t-ba

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Allow striking in the play the ball area.

Any kick that crosses three four ten metre lines on the bounce is deemed to be equivalent to a 40/20.

Pinch the 'quick' lineout from Rugby Union. So at the death of the game if the winning side hoofs it over the sideline to force a time wasting scrum the oppositions back three can simply chuck it in and keep the game moving.
 

snickers007

Juniors
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1. Take out double movement. if you can get it there...good enough- this takes out a grey area

To me this sounds like you're suggesting that a player should be able to advance the ball after the tackle has been completed.

If this were to be the case, a player could be tackled short of the line, get to his feet to play the ball, but instead place the ball over the line and claim a try. That's an extreme case, but is a possibility under the change you're proposing.

There needs to be a line drawn in the sand as to when you can no longer promote the ball. This line is called being tackled - aka the current law.

Will we suddenly allow a player to pass the ball off the ground? Will we allow a player to get to his feet and continue running after being tackled?

You are changing the very definition of a tackle, and what it means to the game of rugby league. It is simple. A player gets tackled (as defined in the current laws). He is to play the ball backwards. No passing the ball, no making further ground, and no reaching out for the try line after this point.

99% of the time, when a tackle is completed is extremely obvious to everyone (players, officials and fans). The other 1% of the time, it is up to the official to let everyone know that the tackle has been completed.

Any changes to this has far wider ramifications than just the current double movement interpretation. Anyone who says otherwise has never read the rule book, and doesn't understand why it is written the way that it is.


2. Take away the stripping rule. Doesnt matter how many tacklers there are stripping should be allowed if the player carrying it is still moving and attempting an offload. Only when the player is either "down" as in NFL (one knee/elbow/hand etc on the ground) or progression has stopped should a penalty for stripping be awarded. This promotes ball control and lessens the grey area when it comes to stripping/loose carry calls.

This would cause players carrying the ball to surrender earlier in the case of gang tackles in a bid to stop the ball being stolen, but would also cause gang tacklers to hold the tackle up further to allow them time to a) set the defensive line (already occuring) and b) steal the ball.
 

elevenstraight

Juniors
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675
To me this sounds like you're suggesting that a player should be able to advance the ball after the tackle has been completed.

If this were to be the case, a player could be tackled short of the line, get to his feet to play the ball, but instead place the ball over the line and claim a try. That's an extreme case, but is a possibility under the change you're proposing.

There needs to be a line drawn in the sand as to when you can no longer promote the ball. This line is called being tackled - aka the current law.

Will we suddenly allow a player to pass the ball off the ground? Will we allow a player to get to his feet and continue running after being tackled?

You are changing the very definition of a tackle, and what it means to the game of rugby league. It is simple. A player gets tackled (as defined in the current laws). He is to play the ball backwards. No passing the ball, no making further ground, and no reaching out for the try line after this point.

99% of the time, when a tackle is completed is extremely obvious to everyone (players, officials and fans). The other 1% of the time, it is up to the official to let everyone know that the tackle has been completed.

Any changes to this has far wider ramifications than just the current double movement interpretation. Anyone who says otherwise has never read the rule book, and doesn't understand why it is written the way that it is.




This would cause players carrying the ball to surrender earlier in the case of gang tackles in a bid to stop the ball being stolen, but would also cause gang tacklers to hold the tackle up further to allow them time to a) set the defensive line (already occuring) and b) steal the ball.


1. Well der, of cause a player would not be able to reach out and score when called held! if he is not called held then HE IS NOT HELD (were you not taught to play to the whistle???) and can do what he likes. This IS fair because it would apply to both teams. There is no grey areas as there is with double movement rubbish that has been dished up over the years.

2. If a player surrenders then so be it, he doesnt gain any ground and the ref calls it a surrender, simple. It also does not matter if the tacklers hold the ball carrier up, that would be deemed the tackle completed thus it would then be called a strip!
 

Raider_69

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Any player deemed to be scoring a try against the Canberra Raiders will be penalised and sent from the feild. The Penalty will be award to the Raiders 10 metres from their attacking try line, in the centre of the field.
 

TheDalek079

Bench
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A try must be forced downwards by the hands - no other parts of the body.

Play the ball from where the ref calls held. no rushing forward another five metres. no moving sideways a couple of metres. If anything like this happens, a penalty to the defensive team

play the ball with the foot. none of this just roll it through nonsense
 

innsaneink

Referee
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1. Well der, of cause a player would not be able to reach out and score when called held! if he is not called held then HE IS NOT HELD (were you not taught to play to the whistle???) and can do what he likes. This IS fair because it would apply to both teams. There is no grey areas as there is with double movement rubbish that has been dished up over the years.

2. If a player surrenders then so be it, he doesnt gain any ground and the ref calls it a surrender, simple. It also does not matter if the tacklers hold the ball carrier up, that would be deemed the tackle completed thus it would then be called a strip!

I think its better as it is, when the arm carrying ball touches the ground and his momentum is stopped, that way everyone can tell, as opposed to one bloke yelling ''held''...
as stated, a line need to be drawn somewhere
 

CliffyIsGod

First Grade
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Any player deemed to be scoring a try against the Canberra Raiders will be penalised and sent from the feild. The Penalty will be award to the Raiders 10 metres from their attacking try line, in the centre of the field.

Still won't make the 8.
 

Gregbyday

Juniors
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652
Golden 2 points. (Need to win by 2 points, like squash I think)

Either get
2 x drop goals (will not hapen often but will be more entertaining than once for the win)
or
1 x penalty kick
or
1 x try

Do any of these and you get the 2 points for the round.

Needing to win by two will encourage going for a try, (except for Soyward who will try and milk a penalty) not just setting up for the drop goal. Making it more entertaining and fair while still being exciting.
 
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snickers007

Juniors
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1. Well der, of cause a player would not be able to reach out and score when called held! if he is not called held then HE IS NOT HELD (were you not taught to play to the whistle???) and can do what he likes. This IS fair because it would apply to both teams. There is no grey areas as there is with double movement rubbish that has been dished up over the years.

You're placing the onus entirely on the referee to call 'held' though - that's the part I'm arguing.

If a player is tackled as per Section 11, Rule 2, parts a) and d) it is quite obvious. The referee should NOT have to call held in these situations.

If the tackle is as per parts b) and c) (upright and succumbing tackles) - than yes, the referee should call held - and does so currently!

Players need to be held accountable for their actions. The referee 'shall enforce the Laws of the Game' (Section 16 Rule 2) - not coach, or baby the players.

The double movement law is black and white as is. If a player is tackled, they cannot promote the ball. The referee does not have to call held, unless it is an upright or succumbing tackle (in which case - good luck claiming a try). This myth about double movements is a beat up by the media and idiots who do not know the rules.
 

Paulie Jay

Juniors
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123
New proposed law:

Any player stupidly caught in possession on the sixth tackle who then pretends that he "didn't know" that it was the sixth by carrying on to play the ball shall be subjected to the pointy end of my right boot and forever labelled a moron.
 
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