Rule changes you would like to see in 2010

[elevenstraight]

You're placing the onus entirely on the referee to call 'held' though - that's the part I'm arguing.

If a player is tackled as per Section 11, Rule 2, parts a) and d) it is quite obvious. The referee should NOT have to call held in these situations.

If the tackle is as per parts b) and c) (upright and succumbing tackles) - than yes, the referee should call held - and does so currently!

Players need to be held accountable for their actions. The referee 'shall enforce the Laws of the Game' (Section 16 Rule 2) - not coach, or baby the players.

The double movement law is black and white as is. If a player is tackled, they cannot promote the ball. The referee does not have to call held, unless it is an upright or succumbing tackle (in which case - good luck claiming a try). This myth about double movements is a beat up by the media and idiots who do not know the rules.

Fair call, however the refs these days are calling out held almost every tackle along with surrender, move, hold (defensive line prior to PTB), go (when PTB has been done), dominant, roll away and so on and so forth.

So as you can see, the players are already being babied as is. might as well make it official. The double movement may well be B&W in the rule book, but it most certainly is not on the field. I believe my suggestion would take out the current grey area of double movement as it does in Yawnion.

 

[Moz82]

- "Short-arm penalties" replacing penalties for minor indiscretions (play the ball infringments, holding down penalties etc). Attacking team can either take a tap or kick for touch not on the full from which they will get to scrum feed (basically same as optional 20m restart).

- Relaxation of the marker standing square rule, as long at least half markers body in line with player playing the ball this is ok.

- Corner posts no longer out of bounds

- Choice of feeding scrum 10m or 20m in from touch

- As above for penalty taps after kick for touch

- If ball marked on the full inside 20m zone, is an optional 20m restart. This may help reduce the number of bombs.

- Golden point extra time no longer golden point. Extra-time is a set 10 minutes no matter what scoring takes place. If scores still equal at the end of extra-time it is declared a draw. For finals, SOO, if drawn at the end of 10 minutes over-time then Golden point takes place.

- Reduce number of interchanges to 8 (to be reduced to 4 in the future)

- Clock stops when ball out of play (including time between a goal being kicked and kick-off)

- Video ref to rule only on put downs, onside

- 5 minute sin bin to replace 10 minute sin bin (can be used for non-professional fouls as well as professional fouls e.g. for high tackles/graple tackles)

- Trial an NYC game with above rules plus 12 per side, 4 reserves, 7-metre rule instead of 10.

- Top 8 system used by the AFL implemented

- Stand alone SOO on Sunday nights with Internationals between Pac nations, European nations, City v Country (Origin 1 weekend), NZ v Pacific Islands combined (Origin 2 weekend), NZ v Australia A (Origin 3 weekend) played on the same weekends.

- Trans-Tasman test played on Friday night after SOO III

- Return to 3pm Grand Final Sunday with weeks 2 and 3 of finals returning to Saturday night and Sunday afternoon games.

 

[whatsdoing1982]

One rule out of the English Super League is the quick 20m restart after the ball goes dead. I think this a great way to promote quick play and also stops sides from grubbering into the in goal all the time.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

Still won't make the 8.

[Van Damme Voice]We'll see...ok...WE'LL SEE[/Van Damme Voice]

 

[The Tank]

Abolish scrums altogether. Pointless, ugly, and a timewaster. Is simply used as a breather for unfit fatties these days.

 

[snickers007]

One rule out of the English Super League is the quick 20m restart after the ball goes dead. I think this a great way to promote quick play and also stops sides from grubbering into the in goal all the time.

This is a good idea, and was introduced at the start of the 2008 season, but never applied by the referees. Here is the directive from the NRL about it:

"Referees can allow quick 20 metre restarts once officials are in position regardless of whether defence is ready or not."

 

[Gaba]

- "Short-arm penalties" replacing penalties for minor indiscretions (play the ball infringments, holding down penalties etc). Attacking team can either take a tap or kick for touch not on the full from which they will get to scrum feed (basically same as optional 20m restart).

Too much like boring union

- Corner posts no longer out of bounds

They have to be they are on the touch line , the only way they can be in bounds if they come infield, then whats the point of having them

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- Clock stops when ball out of play (including time between a goal being kicked and kick-off)

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Couple problems i see with this , it gives the defence time to rest and not be in a hurry to defend

- Top 8 system used by the AFL implemented

The nrl went away from that because its not really what the finals system meant to be
there were 2 duds games, and only 2 games what meant something

1-4 & 2v3 loser gets the advantage the following week

the nrl went to a system what is fairer for the finals
The only teams who were safe after a lost are 1 and 2 in week 1 if teams 1 and 2 lose in the first week end thier advantage for losing to a lower ranked team

 

[Ant]

There have been some good ideas brought up. Here are the ones I think are best/most important.

1. The no penalty when a player doesn't here he is held. This can be a game changer, a guy off loads under pressure or gets up and runs when he thought he wasn't held can't hear the ref. Currently for this minor error from a player his side loses possession and territory through the penalty kick down field. Go back and play it, no penalty.

2. Player must have complete control over ball when places it down, if he is already carrying the football. If you are losing control of the ball and it would be called a knock on elsewhere its a knock on. Downward pressure should only be applied to balls rolling or sitting in the in goal, where it is just first to get a hand to the ball.

3. Corner flags are only to show where the ball went out and are not to be considered when ruling if a player went out. Also flags on the 20m line for 40-20 adjudiciation with same rule as above.

4. I like the new set of 6 for off side and hold down penalties, because currently players can lose between 20 and 40m, but if they are offside in their 10m , they only have to face more sets or 2 pts.

5. Stripping, its a silly rule, unless its a blatant rake. But many people fail to understand what is one. If a ball runner is trying to free his arms and another players is trying to keep the ball under control it often looks like a strip when the arms come free. But its simply one person trying to stop the ball being passed, one trying to make it happen. There may need to be no rules on stripping as its hard to judge. But at the moment people get penalised for applying pressure around the ball.

 

[Jankuloski]

I'm just watching the 1982 Grand Final and I've had change of heart. Leave the scrum alone. Just like it is now.

BTW - is the playing the ball to yourself still allowed?

 

[Timmah6991]

50/30 would be from the halfway line to the 30 metre line and a distance of just over 20 metres.

A 40/20 is from ten metres inside the halfway line to 30 metres beyond the halfway line and a distance of over 40 metres.

So no, it isn't the same kick.

I'm assuming you mean a 50/10?

Yes, my mistake.

 

[LazyDreamer]

BTW - is the playing the ball to yourself still allowed?

??? I take it you mean playing the ball under your foot, stepping back & picking it up, and not the no-marker tap-&-run that was outlawed some years back.

NFI!

 

[Jankuloski]

That's what I'm asking - when was it outlawed? I'm not suggesting to bring it back.

 

[Canard]

There have been some good ideas brought up. Here are the ones I think are best/most important.

1. The no penalty when a player doesn't here he is held. This can be a game changer, a guy off loads under pressure or gets up and runs when he thought he wasn't held can't hear the ref. Currently for this minor error from a player his side loses possession and territory through the penalty kick down field. Go back and play it, no penalty.

Can you imagine how much that would be exploited though, every tackle the player would claim to have not heard it.

It would turn into a free for all, why not chance it.

 

[Gaba]

4. I like the new set of 6 for off side and hold down penalties, because currently players can lose between 20 and 40m, but if they are offside in their 10m , they only have to face more sets or 2 pts.

That will slow down games alot more, players know they will get away with more foul play instead of getting penaltise metres. the team with the ball will get penaltise more then the defending team, by getting thier play the ball slower and the opposition can continue to be offside knowing they wont lose metres by giving penalties

the team with the ball could be 50 m away and still be 50m , so the repeat set of 6 isnt going to be much of an advance for the attacking team


The penalty rule should stay as it is,

 

[Non Terminator]

That's what I'm asking - when was it outlawed? I'm not suggesting to bring it back.

Pretty sure if it was right after super league war.

 

[Western_Eel]

Dont know why you are talking about it, They come out and said there will be no changes for next season

 

[bileduct]

Video refs should only be able to view replays in full motion.

 

[caylo]

I think its better as it is, when the arm carrying ball touches the ground and his momentum is stopped, that way everyone can tell, as opposed to one bloke yelling ''held''...
as stated, a line need to be drawn somewhere

Most of these problems come from the video ref, when a player is tackled mid field he can still pass the ball until held is called (which is called immediatly if he is on the ground and touched by an opposing player). The problem arises when a player slides to the line and lands short, it becomes very difficult to tell if momentum takes him over on video replay and thus the solution in simple.

Just like forward passes, video refs should not be allowed to judge double movements or obstruction, there are two refs and two touchies... make a fu*ken call. Video refs should only judge grounding and it should only include anywhere to the forearm (fingers to elbow - only the palm or anteria side of the forearm).

Other things id like to see is change to the stripping rule (any player can contest the ball at any time) which would improve handling IMO.

 

[LineBall]

With penalties having such a bearing on the momentum (and sometimes outcome) of games, how about this:

If the team receiving the penalty elects to kick for touch, then the tackle count is not restarted. So if they were awarded the penalty on tackle 2, they restart their set on tackle 2 downfield.

If the team receiving the penalty elects for a quick tap, then the tackle count is restarted.

This would help balance out the inequality between penalties given on the 5th tackle, and those earlier on in the set. With this new rule, a team given a penalty on tackle 5 is basically forced to take another set of 6 tackles, without the added benefit of free metres. With two refs, it should be easier to allow quick taps also, with one keeping an eye on which players are back the 10 metres from the restart.

 

[Big Pete]

Short-arm penalties - For infringements such as markers not square, incorrect play the ball and not playing the ball when called held.

Some kind of indicator on the 20m line - There's been a number of 40/20's that have been touch and go so if there was something that could help the touchies out I believe it'd help the game.

Benefit of the doubt goes to the defensive side. You have to prove beyond any doubt that it's a try.

If the ball hits the referee within 50m of the opposition try line, it's a quick tap but the tackle count remains the same.

Forget about one side having to be bound in order to stop the clock. The clock should stop as soon as the ball goes out.

No more dominant tackles, every tackle is deemed the same and defenders must respond appropriately.