Rule's differ as the season goes on.

[dreary]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/raper-voices-concern-after-another-slow-blow/2006/07/09/1152383611259.html

I have to say in this case I fully agree with Raper, at the beginning of the year the refs said they would be and were very serious on the dominant tackle rule and if it wasn't a dominant the defense needed to get off quickly.

The SOO came around and is given to the refs who blow the least penalties all of a sudden very very few penalties are blown for laying on the tackled player when a dominant tackle HASN’T been called.

In almost all other codes rules are not changed during the season a few years ago the sharks were flying into the semis after something like 8 straight wins the week we are about to play the Chooks Gould writes up a column about how players dive at the feet to get a quick play the ball (which we were doing) they changed the rules and allowed the players to lay on the tackled player longer when they submit. Consequently we go on to lose the rest of our games and the Chooks win the premiership after looking decidedly average up until that point.

Now my point is that rules and interpretations should not be changed at all during the course of the season.

Does anyone else see the same thing I have? It is something that really p!sses me off.

 

[Jimbo]

It really annoy's me when poster's make silly mistake's like using inverted comma's for all their plural's...

 

[Inferno]

I have noticed the same thing actually, but instead of bitching about it, Raper should instead spend time on trying to come up with a different plan to combat it. He said he spoke to Finch 2 weeks ago, but we still came out with the same crap against the Broncs and Tigers.

 

[dreary]

I have noticed the same thing actually, but instead of bitching about it, Raper should instead spend time on trying to come up with a different plan to combat it. He said he spoke to Finch 2 weeks ago, but we still came out with the same crap against the Broncs and Tigers.

That’s (does that ' make you happy Jimbo) not really the point of the issue for me though, when the rule interpretations can be dictated by the media there is a real problem IMO. Rules and interpretations should only change in the off-season and all parties should be told of the changes.

 

[innsaneink]

Quick PTB's is how we won the f**kin comp last year, so they move the posts after the whistles been blown this year.....

One set in the back end of the first half yesterday saw I think it was Collis, Elford then halatau all get qiuck ptb's and ensuing dummy half runs made major ground...we went from inside our 20 to approx your 35 in 4 tackles....only time i've seen that this year, last year it was common.

Dunno why rapers only bitching now....its been going on since about rd. 10, Steve Clarks 3 penaltys in melb that w/end is when I first noticed the change....the penaltys (hows trent?) and the ptb area interpretations all changed then imo.

 

[Inferno]

Bingo, all the f**king ref's lowered their penalty count before Origin. Clark went from blowing 20 penalties a match to 5. Some teams it helped, like the Dragons and some it hindered, Sharks and Tigers. The good coaches should be able to work around it though instead of relying on the ref to help them win the game.

 

[dreary]

Clark went from blowing 20 penalties a match to 5. Some teams it helped, like the Dragons and some it hindered, Sharks and Tigers.

That is exactly my point. yes things like this do hinder some teams and help others, my problem is that the teams with the power and guys in the media are usually the ones who benefit and the others like the sharks and Tigers who don't have that sway just have to put up with it.

Changes should not be made during the season.

 

[Inferno]

That wasn't the reason I nominated the Dragons. They play an aggressive style of play and give away a lot of penalties, a lower penalty count is definately going to help all teams that give away a lot of penalties

 

[Thomo.]

inferno - how do you combat inconsistency in the calls? changes and is of a different standard each week, different interpretations.

i was unable to see the game from the weekend so i shouldn't comment too much

 

[dreary]

I don't have a problem with changes to the rules as long as they are made in the correct forum and in the off-season.

Making changes because someone in the media said that too many penalties make the game un-attractive and could take away from the spectacle of origin etc... is knee jerk and just plain stupid.

In reality I think it is actually making the game a worse spectacle as the defense slows down the game too much.

 

[Inferno]

inferno - how do you combat inconsistency in the calls? changes and is of a different standard each week, different interpretations.

i was unable to see the game from the weekend so i shouldn't comment too much

There is nothing you can do with inconsistency in the calls. That said I don't think the refs have been inconsistant in the calls around the ruck. The refs all changed after round 10 (the one where Clarky only blew 3 penalties for the match) and since then, surprise surprise we have had 1 good win against the warriors an average win against Manly and a very lucky win against the knights. 7 rounds later Raper has started complaining. If Raper can only coach the team around quick play the balls, then under him we are only ever going to be April premiers.

I just think its going to be more fruitful trying to change the way we play, then advertising the fact in the paper that the ruck speed has been slowed.

 

[warren]

Bingo, all the f**king ref's lowered their penalty count before Origin. Clark went from blowing 20 penalties a match to 5. Some teams it helped, like the Dragons and some it hindered, Sharks and Tigers. The good coaches should be able to work around it though instead of relying on the ref to help them win the game.

you cant work your way around inconsistancy.
and i think raper was right to have a whinge in the paper. everybody else seems to do it, and it works to an extent because it makes most aware of what the problem is. why should we be the quite little club that puts up with it? ive noticed the problem, and it annoys me too.

 

[Special K]

the one that pisses me off is the video ref coming into the play. We got done a few times by this early on in the year - now when Shane Elford kicks the ball out of Covell's(I think it was Luke) hand the video ref can't help out.

This isn't about if he should or not it is about if he could two months ago then he should be able to now. Don't change the rule mid season!

 

[innsaneink]

the one that pisses me off is the video ref coming into the play. We got done a few times by this early on in the year - now when Shane Elford kicks the ball out of Covell's(I think it was Luke) hand the video ref can't help out.

This isn't about if he should or not it is about if he could two months ago then he should be able to now. Don't change the rule mid season!

This is a entirely different issue altogether, and the VR not being able to tip the ref on anything other than fould play IS the wayto go. We cant have a third party (TV director) being involved in refs decisions, it leaves the way open for all sorts of innuendo etc.

The way it is now, since its been changed affects all teams evenly.

Unfortuantely the refs interpretations now of the 10 m, the markers constantly not being square and offside, tacklers lying on the runners slowing the PTB for up to 10 seconds, yes 10...Ive counted it on one occasion yesterday in the Dogs game (( when a ref calls "surrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeennnnnnnndddddeeeeeerrrrrrr- hold - hold - hold- moooovement" and then ...three seconds later the tacklers move- its quite slow, gives the defense a good breather and an opp to get re-set))....this doesntaffect all teams.

 

[dreary]

gives the defense a good breather and an opp to get re-set))....this doesntaffect all teams.

Exactly it benefits teams with big forwards like the dogs and dragons and hinders teams like the sharks and Tigs (notice the turnaround in form from these teams) the teams with the smaller fitter guys get smashed when the big guys get a rest every tackle.

 

[Special K]

This is a entirely different issue altogether, and the VR not being able to tip the ref on anything other than fould play IS the wayto go. We cant have a third party (TV director) being involved in refs decisions, it leaves the way open for all sorts of innuendo etc.

The way it is now, since its been changed affects all teams evenly.

I know and I like not having the video ref coming in. I just think if they do it early in the season then it is good enough for later on. My beef is that if they can do it in round 1 then they should do it in round 26 - don't change things mid way. Bar it before the season or after the season not in the middle - its frustrating for fans doing it in the middle.

 

[dreary]

Sharks' acid test in 'graveyard'
By Stuart Honeysett
July 21, 2006

SHARKS captain Brett Kimmorley believes tonight's match against Melbourne will determine whether his side is a genuine premiership threat or just making up the numbers this season.

The blunt assessment from the Sharks' halfback came yesterday before his team flew to Melbourne for what is fast becoming the NRL's version of mission impossible: trying to beat the Storm at home.
Melbourne is unbeaten In eight outings this season at Olympic Park - known again as "the graveyard" - and the Sharks go there having lost their past three games.
"They've certainly won a lot at home and are playing a very tough, physical style," Kimmorley said of the Storm.
"We're 0-3 at the moment but we thought we played pretty good last weekend and we're still in the eight.
"It's a great test to see whether we're a genuine side or not, or just a side that is going to go through the motions again. And they are the benchmark at the moment."
Kimmorley attributed the Sharks' mini form slump to what he believes has been a recent shift by the game's whistle-blowers to allow more latitude towards the defence.
"Obviously the ruling now that they're not going to penalise too much in the play-the-ball has made the play-the-balls a bit slower and that's where it's been hurting us," Kimmorley said.


"Our dummy-half play was great for most of the year but once most sides realised we ran a lot out of dummy-half, followed by a perception that a rule change had come in, it's a bit slower now and we've lost that effectiveness out of dummy-half.
"That's slowed us up and sides now know that.
"In the last few weeks we've been forced to find something different and that's where the dropped balls have come from."
In the Sharks' favour is Kimmorley's familiarity with Olympic Park, having played there for three seasons between 1998 and 2000 including the club's premiership in 1999.
The Kimmorley factor is reflected in the Sharks' record at Olympic Park over the past two seasons, having accounted for Storm 36-26 in 2004 and 30-10 last year.
"We've had good success down there but they've built it into a graveyard this year and that wasn't the story in the last few years," Kimmorley said.
"If you don't turn up to play these days you get beaten and that's just how good the competition is.
"The Storm turn up every week, especially at home, because they're trying to keep that record intact and they've achieved that so far."
Melbourne showed few chinks in its armour during its 24-16 win over Newcastle last Sunday, although fullback Billy Slater did struggle in the windy conditions to defuse several bombs from Knights halfback Andrew Johns.
Kimmorley said it was a tactic he was likely to adopt as the Sharks look for ways to bring an end to the Storm's imposing seven-match winning streak and halt the club's march to its first minor premiership.


The Australian


http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,19856879-23214,00.html


Unfortunatly it ain't gunna change so the team and coach have to deal with it.

 

[carinashark]

Inferno is right , its the coaching STAFF that should be working on this !!!!!!

 

[The Popper]

You're not so dreary, Dreary. In fact, you're spot on. Application of the rules seems to vary game to game, and from the start of the season to the end of the season. All we ask is consistency, so that referees do not win games for some teams and lose games for others, like they do at the moment.