Rumoured and Confirmed Signings and General Drivel XIV

[IFR33K]

Poo poo in his post, referred to gasnier as the last of the elite centres, not elite players. I don't think gasnier was ever top five players in the world, but that's another story.

 

[IFR33K]

So if someone doesn't say that a player is 'elite', does that mean they think they are shit? I thought their might have been some categories in between like good, very good, OK, solid, reasonable, accomplished etc.

When I mentioned "you don't rate Lyon" it was in reference to being elite, not good or shit.

 

[IFR33K]

I agree Hindy that the term 'elite' should only apply to 3-5 max. As good as he is it is easy to see how Lyon might not make that list.

Mate, the top half a dozen players are (unfairly) always going to come from the spine. Very hard for a winger, centre, lock, second rower or front rower to rate with the spline players. They just always seem to recieve all the praise.

 

[IFR33K]

You were probably in a rush to your local Mensa meeting to correct basic grammar in this post.

Oh, when all else fails, pull out the grammar or spelling line. You got me.

Wanna go down to the local houso estate and score a few roots????

 

[IFR33K]

True - those top 50 players lists are largely redundant.

I suppose it will always be subjective no matter how you categorise it. Even if you put Hayne in the 'elite' category there would be someone on here (probably IFREAK) who would argue that he is 'very elite'.

Super elite.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Poo poo in his post, referred to gasnier as the last of the elite centres, not elite players. I don't think gasnier was ever top five players in the world, but that's another story.

Elite doesn't necessarily mean 'top five' either. Deciding how many players fit within a given category is somewhat arbitrary, and given to change from era to era.

So I consider Gasnier to have been part of the 'elite' player group when he was at his peak, whether that group consisted of five players, or three or ten. It's also just my opinion so feel free to disagree.

 

[IFR33K]

Elite doesn't necessarily mean 'top five' either. Deciding how many players fit within a given category is somewhat arbitrary, and given to change from era to era.

So I consider Gasnier to have been part of the 'elite' player group when he was at his peak, whether that group consisted of five players, or three or ten. It's also just my opinion so feel free to disagree.

I wasn't the first to mention elite as being the top five players, and nor do I agree with it. You did mention gasnier as an elite centre, that I agree with, but overall I don't think he was top four or five players in the world at any given time.

In regard to Lyon, I rate him the best centre in the game. An absolute freak, represented his state and country at a very young age, played in grand finals wherever he went and won numerous awards here and abroad. Very rarely breaks down with injury, a tough competitor with leadership skills and a never die attitude.

 

[IFR33K]

Can kick goals too.

 

[lingard]

I wasn't the first to mention elite as being the top five players, and nor do I agree with it. You did mention gasnier as an elite centre, that I agree with, but overall I don't think he was top four or five players in the world at any given time.

In regard to Lyon, I rate him the best centre in the game. An absolute freak, represented his state and country at a very young age, played in grand finals wherever he went and won numerous awards here and abroad. Very rarely breaks down with injury, a tough competitor with leadership skills and a never die attitude.

AND ........ he's a goal-kicker, AND ........ he's a great captain. I agree with you that Jamie Lyon is the best centre in the game. I rate him higher than (Mark) Gasnier at his best. Also, he career at the top has been significantly longer than Gasnier's. One thing that dulls our view of him, perhaps, is that he hasn't been showcased in State of Origin or Australian teams for a while (by his own choice). You can't tell me he wouldn't have been one of the first players picked for origin over the last five years if he'd been available.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Physically he doesn't match up to the game's best centres. Sure he's got great footy brains, and he can kick and pass well (for an outside back), but he's not playing in the halves, and one-on-one he's just not good enough to be considered elite.

He's smart not to have played Origin these past few years because Inglis would have run over the top of him.

 

[lingard]

Physically he doesn't match up to the game's best centres. Sure he's got great footy brains, and he can kick and pass well (for an outside back), but he's not playing in the halves, and one-on-one he's just not good enough to be considered elite.

He's smart not to have played Origin these past few years because Inglis would have run over the top of him.

Well, I'm sorry, but I don't agree with any of that.

 

[Craig Johnston]

Well, I'm sorry, but I don't agree with any of that.

but surely not having one iota of evidence (other than not playing in the halves) of anything stated being correct should be enough to change your mind

 

[IFR33K]

Physically he doesn't match up to the game's best centres. Sure he's got great footy brains, and he can kick and pass well (for an outside back), but he's not playing in the halves, and one-on-one he's just not good enough to be considered elite.

He's smart not to have played Origin these past few years because Inglis would have run over the top of him.

Lyon played in the halves in England and won off memory two man of steel awards. Does that count?

 

[IFR33K]

Well, I'm sorry, but I don't agree with any of that.

X2.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Well, I'm sorry, but I don't agree with any of that.

Nor do I.

 

[Bigfella]

Oh, when all else fails, pull out the grammar or spelling line. You got me.

Wanna go down to the local houso estate and score a few roots????

Now you are being elitist

 

[Bigfella]

I don't agree with it, but I'm not sorry

 

[lingard]

Lyon played in the halves in England and won off memory two man of steel awards. Does that count?

He's also played five-eight for Manly on a number of occasions.

 

[Craig Johnston]

He's also played five-eight for Manly on a number of occasions.

he's about as good as greg inglis is at 5/8th

 

[lingard]

but surely not having one iota of evidence (other than not playing in the halves) of anything stated being correct should be enough to change your mind

Maybe I'm just stubbornly sticking to my initial opinion no matter what.