Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[herbert henry1908]

I pretty much want whatever Moylan wants. If he wants to be a Panther, and he's willing to commit to what that means (on and off the field), then I want him in our team.

However, if he doesn't want that, he is absolutely no loss at all, and I'll be glad to see the back of him.

Team harmony, culture, respect and work ethic is far more important than flashes of brilliance in my book.

If he kicks on at the Sharks and reaches his potential, so be it, but considering how he carries on around Penrith, I dread to imagine what he'll be like once he's around dopes like Dugan, Fifita and Segeyaro on a full-time basis.

Maloney will be great for us. He is super competitive, aggressive, has been successful at multiple clubs. And he's a professional. He may miss a few tackles, and give away penalties - but you can work around those deficiencies as a team.

You can't learn how to have a good attitude, or how to be accountable for your actions to your club/coach and teammates. The only one capable of rectifying that is Matt Moylan. And unfortunately, he's shown what a cat he is, and revealed his true colours.

Question is, why did both of our 5/8’s want out in the space of 4 months?

I think we give up on players too easily, sends the message that if you want out just kick up a stink and we’ll release you.

I honestly think a bit of tough love can go a long way.

In the meantime I hope Tamou wants out..

 

[MrBlack]

Chad Townsend created more tries than Maloney in 2016. Hes not that bad.

Sharks try assists
Barba - 18
Townsend - 13
Ennis - 12
Maloney - 9

Take Barba and Ennis away. Sharks finish below us.

Sharks are great at identifying players who will boost their squad. They know Moylan is better than Maloney all things being similar. Moylan will be better at a team with a coach that coaches and a decent forward pack.

This is another one of my issues (a little off topic I know). I think try assists are a bit deceiving. Putting up a kick should not be a try assist. Putting a player through a gap or creating an overlap - that is a try assist. If you put up enough kicks you get a fair share of try assists, just ask Jamie Soward.

 

[mxlegend99]

How many of those Moylan tries and Try Assists was when he was FB? Chad Townsend had 8 try assists so what does say about him? maybe different tactics over there

Also some other stats that are important for a half

Moylan ave 2.8 kicks per game. For 37.7m per game. 0 40/20
Maloney ave 5.5 kicks per game. For 125.5m per game 1 40/20

At fullback he still played first and second receiver. Moylan just played what he saw. He was 3/4s of our spine.

 

[franklin2323]

At fullback he still played first and second receiver. Moylan just played what he saw. He was 3/4s of our spine.

When we go inside the 20 and he see's nothing though? This is why we struggled inside the 20. Maloney will give us structure when attacking the line

 

[franklin2323]

This is another one of my issues (a little off topic I know). I think try assists are a bit deceiving. Putting up a kick should not be a try assist. Putting a player through a gap or creating an overlap - that is a try assist. If you put up enough kicks you get a fair share of try assists, just ask Jamie Soward.

That is why I look at kicks, Kick metres, Drop outs earnt before try assists for half stats

 

[Copperhead]

At fullback he still played first and second receiver. Moylan just played what he saw. He was 3/4s of our spine.

That's true, and it's also why his stats flatter him. Other teams share the responsibility and the individual stats don't match Moylan on paper.

 

[mxlegend99]

When we go inside the 20 and he see's nothing though? This is why we struggled inside the 20. Maloney will give us structure when attacking the line

The coach gives us structure. The players can only do so much with what they are given.

Take away a great forward pack
Take away resilient defence
Take away structure.

Thats what Sharks to Panthers will be. Our team is not capable of winning the way Storm. Sharks and Roosters do.

Unless we have new defensive coaches coming in Maloney will just put us under pressure we cant handle.

All season people complain about our poor discipline and inability to defend our penalties and mistakes. How can anyone think signing the worst defender and most penalised player will fix that?

Discipline was by far our worst area. We either need to stop giving away penalties or learn to defend them... neither will happen with the roster and coach we have.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The Maloney/Moylan swap is two things.

Gus realises the team needs to win now, his process is taking too long. Fans are becoming impatient. (Not referring to the so called 5 year plan)

Maloney probably provides a better opportunity for a successful 2018. His play will likely compliment Cleary without getting in his way.

Also it’s a bet on Luai I’d imagine. They know he needs more time in reserves but will likely play soon enough, when it’s really Cleary’s team.

Id bet Maloney very likely only sees out 2 of the 3 years, Gus will find a way to manoeuvre him out.

I still think Cleary/Moylan could’ve made one hell of a partnership. Moylan has the hands that Cleary doesn’t have, but too late now.

 

[The Realist]

The way you keep your juniors is to develop a winning culture that they want to be part of. Without that, we will be forever just developing them and seeing them jump ship for more money or more success.

Is Griffin the guy to generate that winning culture?

Absolutely not!

 

[lsta5838]

not sure how I feel about this, if true. Really thought Moylan had the character to stay on, though we have all had a boss we don't like and it isn't worth the effort to fix the issues!

The big the eases me a bit is one of the last time we raided a solid 1st grader playmaker from the sharks, we won the comp soon after.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

When we go inside the 20 and he see's nothing though? This is why we struggled inside the 20. Maloney will give us structure when attacking the line

This is what I don't understand with you: Struggle in the attacking 20 = players' fault, discipline on the pitch = players' fault, poor attitude off the pitch = players' fault, missed tackles = players' fault, unsettled spine = injuries' or players' fault, lack of drop outs forced = players' fault.

But finish 5th and 7th? All Griffin, baby!

 

[billypilgrimnz]

For the record, I think that if we assembled the perfect squad, Griffin is so benign that the squad may be able to win the comp with him there - I don't think he is as actively incompetent as the Jason Taylors or Matthew Elliots (who finished 2nd one year, I'll have you remember) of the world. But I don't know why'd we choose to handicap our chances that way. A decent squad with a solid spine and a good coach would be a better bet.

 

[mxlegend99]

So what are peoples thoughts on what makes a successful season?

For mine anything less than top 4 is a failure. We have spent huge money of Maloney. Merrin and Tamou. At the expemse of some very talented players.

Cleary is no longer a rookie. RCG is now an international prop. 3/4s of our backline are top tier country international players (NZ/AUS). Edwards should be primed for a breakout season.

Our depth is shot to hell. But that's not an excuse when we let our best depth go to be in a better position elsewhere.

Top 4 is a success. Top 8 is acceptable but kind of disappointing to have failed to build om 2016 after 3 years.

Missing the top 8 is unacceptable... and I think we will be a 6th to 10th placed team now. I really think we will struggle to win games the way Maloney is used to.

 

[herbert henry1908]

For the record, I think that if we assembled the perfect squad, Griffin is so benign that the squad may be able to win the comp with him there - I don't think he is as actively incompetent as the Jason Taylors or Matthew Elliots (who finished 2nd one year, I'll have you remember) of the world. But I don't know why'd we choose to handicap our chances that way. A decent squad with a solid spine and a good coach would be a better bet.

Yeah agree with this, often thought if we succeeded, Griffin would more or less just be along for the ride.

He’s a middle of the road coach who may occasionally get lucky. That said he hasn’t been that lucky in his 6 years in top grade, just competent so far.

 

[herbert henry1908]

So what are peoples thoughts on what makes a successful season?

For mine anything less than top 4 is a failure. We have spent huge money of Maloney. Merrin and Tamou. At the expemse of some very talented players.

Cleary is no longer a rookie. RCG is now an international prop. 3/4s of our backline are top tier country international players (NZ/AUS). Edwards should be primed for a breakout season.

Our depth is shot to hell. But that's not an excuse when we let our best depth go to be in a better position elsewhere.

Top 4 is a success. Top 8 is acceptable but kind of disappointing to have failed to build om 2016 after 3 years.

Missing the top 8 is unacceptable... and I think we will be a 6th to 10th placed team now. I really think we will struggle to win games the way Maloney is used to.

Top 4 is a must.

No more excuses, no more “it’s a young team” BS.

We’re stuck with Griffin at least until much of 2019 either way. I doubt we could get rid of him any earlier.

 

[Royce is King]

WHAT A SHOCK ...old BILLY on here blaming every single thing on Griffin. Gee some people post shit on here. Billy if you hate the coach and Gus so much, they are so out of their depth at their jobs, why dont you make your life so much more easy and just piss off and follow some other team...... dead set I have not seen a positive post from you in 3 yrs..... I dead set dont get it... who has so much hate for the leaders of a footy club, and spends his whole life winging about it. Give it up move on ....might make you feel better.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

WHAT A SHOCK ...old BILLY on here blaming every single thing on Griffin. Gee some people post shit on here. Billy if you hate the coach and Gus so much, they are so out of their depth at their jobs, why dont you make your life so much more easy and just piss off and follow some other team...... dead set I have not seen a positive post from you in 3 yrs..... I dead set dont get it... who has so much hate for the leaders of a footy club, and spends his whole life winging about it. Give it up move on ....might make you feel better.

Well, with such a positive role model as yourself to follow, how could I have got it so wrong? Still, if I pretend that what you think matters to me, will that make you happy?

 

[franklin2323]

This is what I don't understand with you: Struggle in the attacking 20 = players' fault, discipline on the pitch = players' fault, poor attitude off the pitch = players' fault, missed tackles = players' fault, unsettled spine = injuries' or players' fault, lack of drop outs forced = players' fault.

But finish 5th and 7th? All Griffin, baby!

Where did I say it was all Griffin? You said the coach was holding us back. I merely pointed out overall our attack stats aren't too bad.

That is as a team look at when Bellamy coached NSW or for that matter when players leave Storm they get worse. Players got to be comfortable on and off the field with others too.

SO as you are slow. If Cleary/Edwards or someone think the new club is a better option. Coach players, location etc they will move. It's never just one thing

 

[franklin2323]

The coach gives us structure. The players can only do so much with what they are given.

Take away a great forward pack
Take away resilient defence
Take away structure.

Thats what Sharks to Panthers will be. Our team is not capable of winning the way Storm. Sharks and Roosters do.

Unless we have new defensive coaches coming in Maloney will just put us under pressure we cant handle.

All season people complain about our poor discipline and inability to defend our penalties and mistakes. How can anyone think signing the worst defender and most penalised player will fix that?

Discipline was by far our worst area. We either need to stop giving away penalties or learn to defend them... neither will happen with the roster and coach we have.

I will ignore the shit defence because Moylan is no better so it cancels each other out. I didn't watch much Sharks as they bored me. They did have an ageing team maybe the tactics was slow the play the ball down.

In that case a half with weak defence will get more traffic and hence go for more penalties. Roosters still gave away heaps after he left. Time will tell if the Sharks do too

 

[billypilgrimnz]

SO as you are slow.....

I've said this before, but it's really weird how quickly supposedly positive pro-club posters are here to launch personal attacks on people that disagree with them. So I think you're wrong...big deal.