Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[mxlegend99]

1 million over the cap is a bigger screw up than paying 25% of RCG’s deal & something of Blake’s

That’s a huge amount to be over.



Fifita, Turbos, Mitchell etc aren’t off contract until the end of next year, as long as the clubs can fit them in for the 2021 season they’re fine.

Its alot of money but 85% of that money was Maloney who was never staying for that third year anyway. From day one he was gone after 2019.

It looks far worse because money was spent with that in mind. He was on the books but never going to be part of the roster. We still budgeted over. But Gus always preferred to lock everyone up and then shed who was expendable if need be.

No idea why we didnt just do the 2 year deal for Jimmy. Both parties intended for only 2 years. But its easy to see what our intentions were to be under. Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But better than how we are operating now.

I rate Gus as average at managing the roster. But terrific at managing the players. He could get rid of players early and not burn bridges somehow. Probably because half our losses with him were him doing favours to gibe guys a better chance elsewhere. Including our only gain for 2020 so far.

I think despite Gus being average. We are far worse off with Ivan trying to do it all. I hoped he would move into that role with us. But now I think it would be a mistake.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Its alot of money but 85% of that money was Maloney who was never staying for that third year anyway. From day one he was gone after 2019.

It looks far worse because money was spent with that in mind. He was on the books but never going to be part of the roster. We still budgeted over. But Gus always preferred to lock everyone up and then shed who was expendable if need be.

No idea why we didnt just do the 2 year deal for Jimmy. Both parties intended for only 2 years. But its easy to see what our intentions were to be under. Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But better than how we are operating now.

I rate Gus as average at managing the roster. But terrific at managing the players. He could get rid of players early and not burn bridges somehow. Probably because half our losses with him were him doing favours to gibe guys a better chance elsewhere. Including our only gain for 2020 so far.

I think despite Gus being average. We are far worse off with Ivan trying to do it all. I hoped he would move into that role with us. But now I think it would be a mistake.

Jimmy was signed for the 3rd year as cover in case we didn’t resign Nathan.

 

[mxlegend99]

Jimmy was signed for the 3rd year as cover in case we didn’t resign Nathan.

That's actually a pretty good reason. Good safety net to have.

 

[franklin2323]

Its alot of money but 85% of that money was Maloney who was never staying for that third year anyway. From day one he was gone after 2019.

It looks far worse because money was spent with that in mind. He was on the books but never going to be part of the roster. We still budgeted over. But Gus always preferred to lock everyone up and then shed who was expendable if need be.

No idea why we didnt just do the 2 year deal for Jimmy. Both parties intended for only 2 years. But its easy to see what our intentions were to be under. Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But better than how we are operating now.

I rate Gus as average at managing the roster. But terrific at managing the players. He could get rid of players early and not burn bridges somehow. Probably because half our losses with him were him doing favours to gibe guys a better chance elsewhere. Including our only gain for 2020 so far.

I think despite Gus being average. We are far worse off with Ivan trying to do it all. I hoped he would move into that role with us. But now I think it would be a mistake.

Too early to say if it was a mistake or not yet. How we use the money saved is key for me

 

[Dave's mate]

Signing him in the first place was a mistake

 

[mxlegend99]

Signing him in the first place was a mistake

Im not a huge fan of his. But he did well for us in 2018 when Nathan was injured. Without him we are boned.

I think he held Nathans game back. But likely taught him some things forleading us too.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Its alot of money but 85% of that money was Maloney who was never staying for that third year anyway. From day one he was gone after 2019.

It looks far worse because money was spent with that in mind. He was on the books but never going to be part of the roster. We still budgeted over. But Gus always preferred to lock everyone up and then shed who was expendable if need be.

No idea why we didnt just do the 2 year deal for Jimmy. Both parties intended for only 2 years. But its easy to see what our intentions were to be under. Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But better than how we are operating now.

I rate Gus as average at managing the roster. But terrific at managing the players. He could get rid of players early and not burn bridges somehow. Probably because half our losses with him were him doing favours to gibe guys a better chance elsewhere. Including our only gain for 2020 so far.

I think despite Gus being average. We are far worse off with Ivan trying to do it all. I hoped he would move into that role with us. But now I think it would be a mistake.

What if Maloney changed his mind? What if he got injured?

I agree it seems Maloney was more than likely going leave after 2 years, but I don’t think you can put it in the definitive column. What’s the purpose of signing a 3 year deal then?

NRL contracts being guaranteed made giving Maloney that 3rd year still a risk, the man has a family so his decision making is influenced by more than just his desires. He could’ve easily changed his mind because his kids didn’t want to go, or his wife didn’t.

 

[Dave's mate]

What if Maloney changed his mind? What if he got injured?

I agree it seems likely Maloney was more likely than not to leave after 2 years, but I don’t think you can put it in the definitive column. What’s the purpose of signing a 3 year deal then?

NRL contracts being guaranteed made giving Maloney that 3rd year still a risk, the man has a family so his decision making is influenced by more than just his desires. He could’ve easily changed his mind because his kids didn’t want to go, or his wife didn’t.

Well I have zero proof but I'm sure it was part of an under the table deal. Its just how things work

 

[herbert henry1908]

Well I have zero proof but I'm sure it was part of an under the table deal. Its just how things work

How would this deal work?

 

[betcats]

Im not a huge fan of his. But he did well for us in 2018 when Nathan was injured. Without him we are boned.

I think he held Nathans game back. But likely taught him some things forleading us too.

I think his average and bad games for us outnumbered his good ones. He went missing post origin both years imo, he carved up Melbourne late last year but did nothing else after origin both years. He had a couple truly shocking games late last season also, his best runs of form came around origin 1 both years imo.

 

[franklin2323]

I think his average and bad games for us outnumbered his good ones. He went missing post origin both years imo, he carved up Melbourne late last year but did nothing else after origin both years. He had a couple truly shocking games late last season also, his best runs of form came around origin 1 both years imo.

I think that fits most of the side

 

[Dave's mate]

How would this deal work?

3rd year is cover and you'll be looked after either way

 

[mxlegend99]

What if Maloney changed his mind? What if he got injured?

I agree it seems Maloney was more than likely going leave after 2 years, but I don’t think you can put it in the definitive column. What’s the purpose of signing a 3 year deal then?

NRL contracts being guaranteed made giving Maloney that 3rd year still a risk, the man has a family so his decision making is influenced by more than just his desires. He could’ve easily changed his mind because his kids didn’t want to go, or his wife didn’t.

Maloney backflipping and staying at a club would be a first. Its a slim possibility it could have happened. But let's be honest... him seeing out his contract was never likely. He has his eye on a new challenge and bigger money after his first season at a club.

Luke pointed out the 3rd year was likely security for if we failed to keep Nathan. So we werent stuck replacing both halves at once if Nathan left. Which Gus seemed to think was a great chance at happening.

What I dont understand though is if Gus f**ked it up so bad why did the NRL register contracts? They refuse to do so until the teams are cap compliant. Why would they let us register an $11m squad with a $10m salary cap?

 

[herbert henry1908]

Maloney backflipping and staying at a club would be a first. Its a slim possibility it could have happened. But let's be honest... him seeing out his contract was never likely. He has his eye on a new challenge and bigger money after his first season at a club.

Luke pointed out the 3rd year was likely security for if we failed to keep Nathan. So we werent stuck replacing both halves at once if Nathan left. Which Gus seemed to think was a great chance at happening.

What I dont understand though is if Gus f**ked it up so bad why did the NRL register contracts? They refuse to do so until the teams are cap compliant. Why would they let us register an $11m squad with a $10m salary cap?

This was a bigger decision, though. The move was overseas, more complications in that. Plus as I say, injury could’ve also happened.


NRL don’t purposely look at cap compliance in registering contracts. They only consider it if it’s known a club is over the cap, otherwise they do no investigation. Heard Greenberg talk about this, he said it’s their policy that the clubs must audit their cap situation. They typically only consider the value of the player being signed.

 

[herbert henry1908]

3rd year is cover and you'll be looked after either way

Hmm, okay.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Anyway, if we move on Whare I’d say we have somewhere in the range of 900k-1m to spend.


So from that there’s probably two options.

1. Make a big splash for an outside back. Wighton, Manu, Mitchell, Semi

2. Sign a mid range back, someone like Dylan Walker & add a prop for 400k or so



There may be a third possibility

if you add in the money from when Tamou comes off contract at the end of 2020, we may be able to sign a big name outside back & a 400-500k prop.

I see Tamou getting another deal, but on reduced money. He’s rumoured for be on 800k, I’d say his next deal would be 400-500k given his age.

 

[martielang]

I’m still banging my head against a wall trying to work out how the powers above think we are in need of another $400k+ FR when we pretty much worked down the field with ease the whole year.

 

[mxlegend99]

I’m still banging my head against a wall trying to work out how the powers above think we are in need of another $400k+ FR when we pretty much worked down the field with ease the whole year.

JFH. Tamou. Leota. Kikau. Martin. Leniu. I think we're pretty well off for big and/or aggressive blokes. Potentially Hetherington too. Whatever is happening with him godonly knows.

 

[franklin2323]

I’m still banging my head against a wall trying to work out how the powers above think we are in need of another $400k+ FR when we pretty much worked down the field with ease the whole year.

Leota and Leinu are our back up props. One has been a benchie all his career the other is 19 with a handful of games. Backrow is a similar story

 

[franklin2323]

Anyway, if we move on Whare I’d say we have somewhere in the range of 900k-1m to spend.


So from that there’s probably two options.

1. Make a big splash for an outside back. Wighton, Manu, Mitchell, Semi

2. Sign a mid range back, someone like Dylan Walker & add a prop for 400k or so



There may be a third possibility

if you add in the money from when Tamou comes off contract at the end of 2020, we may be able to sign a big name outside back & a 400-500k prop.

I see Tamou getting another deal, but on reduced money. He’s rumoured for be on 800k, I’d say his next deal would be 400-500k given his age.

Edwards too is no certainty to re-sign I'd guess he is on $250k. If Luai or someone takes his spot then Staines comes in and gives some to work with