Rumoured/Confirmed Signings and More Crap XX

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

If one of the doctors does quit then we should be sticking it to the NRL and the media for pushing this story and questioning our doctor's integrity. If the NRL are going to keep investigating this crap and questioning the club doctor's motives they should be hiring independent doctors.

When did the NRL question the doctor's integrity? They investigate the entire process that leads to the player being allowed back on to the field....that does not necessarily amount to a comment on the doctor's judgement. If the NRL did not investigate these issues they would be derelicting their duty of care.

The media on the other hand.....

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Seriously just get rid of the concussion test and trust the doctors. League has been played for over 100 years and there hasn't been any issues. The game is a lot safer now then it was, while players know the risks.

It's league not dancing

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Seriously just get rid of the concussion test and trust the doctors. League has been played for over 100 years and there hasn't been any issues. The game is a lot safer now then it was, while players know the risks.

It's league not dancing

Mate, the legal environment has changed drastically over the past 20 (let alone) 100 years. Regardless of what someone might think of that, the NRL can't ignore it.

Making sure that doctors get to make the call is part of the process that needs to occur each time.

 

[Twizzle]

The Doctors are qualified and the NRL is not.

End of

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

The Doctors are qualified and the NRL is not.

End of

....and the NRL are responsible for implementing a system under which the doctor gets to make their judgement and have it heard, and the club abide by it.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

When did the NRL question the doctor's integrity? They investigate the entire process that leads to the player being allowed back on to the field....that does not necessarily amount to a comment on the doctor's judgement. If the NRL did not investigate these issues they would be derelicting their duty of care.

The media on the other hand.....

They questioned his integrity when they decided to investigate the decision made by the Eels' doctor as well as the Souths' doctor and every other doctor in the NRL. As Twizzle has said, these guys are the professionals in their area, they've gone through the right channels to get where they are now. The NRL are putting their trust into the club doctors after they've decided not to implement an independent doctor and as such they should be trusted to make the correct decision on the player's behalf.

I don't know any doctor that goes out of their way to make sure that a person is in worse shape than when they saw them, why would a club doctor be any different? They are there to protect you, and the club doctors are there to protect the player from further injury, if he says that the player is fine to go back onto the field then he is fine to go back onto the field, end of story.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

They questioned his integrity when they decided to investigate the decision made by the Eels' doctor as well as the Souths' doctor and every other doctor in the NRL. As Twizzle has said, these guys are the professionals in their area, they've gone through the right channels to get where they are now. The NRL are putting their trust into the club doctors after they've decided not to implement an independent doctor and as such they should be trusted to make the correct decision on the player's behalf.

Show me where the NRL did *that*. They investigated the process that the clubs put in place, not a doctor's decision on whether the player was ok or not. If you can show me anything from the NRL where they questioned a doctor's decision I'll owe you a beer or two.

 

[Gronk]

The NRL are in damage control after the massive $1B class action in the US in Jarryd's code.

Not sure if it can ever amount to those figures in NSW if players mounted a claim against the NRL, as we have limitations on personal injury claims here in NSW (Civil Liberty Act)

IIRC only cases like Jarrod McCracken could make a claim beyond that if it was deemed that his injury was caused by an unlawful act.

Maybe one of you merkins who is an expert in torts and can give us the good oil.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

There is no doubt the nrl is entitled to, and obliged to, investigate the issue.

The problem is not the integrity of individual doctors. It's the difficult position they are placed in.

It's essentially a conflict of interest, where the club and player want to go back on at all costs, and the doctor is part of that team interest.

A conflict of interest is a conflict of interest and all the best intentions and integrity in the world can't cure it.

The decision maker has to be someone not aligned with or employed by the club playing.

This opens up a MASSIVE problem because then it is very easy for many types of intentional Terry Lamb's to flatten many types of "Ellery Hanley's important to a teams ability to win games. With independent/impartial doctors, it leaves the door open for many "important strike players" to receive "intentional" or not head knocks (Terry Lamb intended on taking out Ellery Hanley - it was blatant from the outset) from coming back into very important games like Grand Finals, Semi finals, etc.... This whole medical-concussion process is f**ked, is open to being used and abused beyond most peoples willingness to do so. There are always those few rotten apples who plot such scenarios - a head slam into the turf, etc, etc.... no need for blatant elbows to the head, etc, there are other simpler, non-sending off methods to remove the Jarryd Hayne's out of a game...... :crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[Bigfella]

Are you concussed right now Casper?

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Are you concussed right now Casper?

Yep, your posts are brutal.

 

[parra pete]

Must be hot in the kitchen....

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Must be hot in the kitchen....

:lol:

Pete, what are your views on this concussion issue?

Do you agree with what I was implying about how "independent impartial doctors" will be more inclined to keep a player from coming back into a game, that there is a greater chance for one of our club doctors to let a player return to a game than independent, impartial doctors.

That there is more scope to intentionally take out a perceived threat by methods of head slams into the turf, sliding knees into a head, etc, methods that will not send off the culprit/s, yet a deliberate action good enough to remove a perceived threat that may/can stop them from winning important games like GF's?

 

[Chipmunk]

Show me where the NRL did *that*. They investigated the process that the clubs put in place, not a doctor's decision on whether the player was ok or not. If you can show me anything from the NRL where they questioned a doctor's decision I'll owe you a beer or two.

Barry I've noticed you've become very argumentative of late.

Have you been hanging out at that Lesbian bar too much?

 

[Twizzle]

Are you concussed right now Casper?

always hard to tell

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Show me where the NRL did *that*. They investigated the process that the clubs put in place, not a doctor's decision on whether the player was ok or not. If you can show me anything from the NRL where they questioned a doctor's decision I'll owe you a beer or two.

The NRL are investigating whether the process undertaken was correct therefore they believe that the steps taken by the doctors might not have been done properly and are in fact questioning his integrity by implying that the doctor might not know what he is doing. They are a medical professional I don't think they have reason to not take the right steps and as we've seen in the NFL the players are now suing don't you think the doctor would want to cover his own arse?

If the doctor believes he's fine to go on the field then he's fine to go onto the field, if the NRL don't think they should be taking the field they should either become medical professionals or employ a doctor who is independent of a club.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

The NRL are investigating whether the process undertaken was correct therefore they believe that the steps taken by the doctors might not have been done properly and are in fact questioning his integrity by implying that the doctor might not know what he is doing. They are a medical professional I don't think they have reason to not take the right steps and as we've seen in the NFL the players are now suing don't you think the doctor would want to cover his own arse?

If the doctor believes he's fine to go on the field then he's fine to go onto the field, if the NRL don't think they should be taking the field they should either become medical professionals or employ a doctor who is independent of a club.

I respectfully disagree that the NRL investigating the process implies that they are saying the the doctors might not have done the right thing. The doctors are not presently in charge of the whole process.

Here is just a simplified version of part of the 'process' from the NRL website:

"Game-Day Management
The most important steps in the early management of concussion include:

• Recognising the injury
• Removing the player from the game and
• Referring the player to a medical practitioner for assessment"

http://www.nrl.com/About/ReferenceCentre/ManagementofConcussioninRugbyLeague/tabid/10798/Default.aspx

It is perfectly possible that, for instance, that trainers can fail to pass on the extent of a players symptoms, and leave the player on the field (the TV footage is not always useful). If you have a look at the link, there are many places where stuff can go wrong that has nothing to do with the professional judgement of the doctor. So investigating the process does not necessarily mean investigating the doctor's judgement. The media have been spinning it that way, but it doesn't make it true.

EDIT: The link below is also useful.


http://www.nrl.com/concussion-guidelines-explained/tabid/10874/newsid/76791/default.aspx

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Barry I've noticed you've become very argumentative of late.

Have you been hanging out at that Lesbian bar too much?

Nah, I've mainly been going to the Old Canberra Inn, which is under new management and has a decent short-order cook working there are the moment.

 

[Chipmunk]

Nah, I've mainly been going to the Old Canberra Inn, which is under new management and has a decent short-order cook working there are the moment.

I've not been to the Old Canberra Inn for years...

 

[parra pete]

:lol:

Pete, what are your views on this concussion issue?

Do you agree with what I was implying about how "independent impartial doctors" will be more inclined to keep a player from coming back into a game, that there is a greater chance for one of our club doctors to let a player return to a game than independent, impartial doctors.

That there is more scope to intentionally take out a perceived threat by methods of head slams into the turf, sliding knees into a head, etc, methods that will not send off the culprit/s, yet a deliberate action good enough to remove a perceived threat that may/can stop them from winning important games like GF's?

Yes Casper. I do agree with you on that point...