Rumoured Signings and General Dribble XIII

[Avenger]

The old chestnut about what position Hayne will play was asked. Arthur played a straight bat.

 

[Pazza]

Norman and Sandow

isn't sandow on 350k and norman on 400K in a 6.3 million dollar salary cap??

 

[eels_fan]

But the DT says Sandow is on $600k. They couldn't be wrong

 

[yy_cheng]

I think we have salary cap issues of our own to be worried about.

back end it. Thats how manly keep their roster in tack

 

[yy_cheng]

If his current contract is heavily back ended then he stands to earn a lot of money next year. Why would he agree to leave Manly (even if they did allow him) unless he was going to make at least as much at another club?

If he is due $1m in 2014 and Parra said we'll take you for $300k, wouldn't manly pay the difference of $700k?

If Parra offers him a 3 year contract at say $600K p.a in years 2 and 3, it can be beneficial if he wants to come to Parra or which ever club is offering?


Another question, what about Tax?

So if his 3 year contract is $600k p.a.

Year 1 & 2 at $200K
Year 3 at $1.4M

He will be paying more tax on average than if he had $600K per year. (not doing any maths on this at all)

He would need some planning in year 1 and 2 to offset is taxable income in year 3.

 

[carson]

If he is due $1m in 2014 and Parra said we'll take you for $300k, wouldn't manly pay the difference of $700k?

If Parra offers him a 3 year contract at say $600K p.a in years 2 and 3, it can be beneficial if he wants to come to Parra or which ever club is offering?


Another question, what about Tax?

So if his 3 year contract is $600k p.a.

Year 1 & 2 at $200K
Year 3 at $1.4M


He will be paying more tax on average than if he had $600K per year. (not doing any maths on this at all)

He would need some planning in year 1 and 2 to offset is taxable income in year 3.

Professional sportsman's income is subject to averaging, similar to farmers. His tax rate is averaged over 5 years and applied to whatever his income is. Would have no tax effect.

 

[Someone]

Norman and Sandow

A lot of money tied up in Hayne, Sandow, Norman (all spine players) , hopoate is on abit (strike player).

we'd be better positioned no doubt if we spent our money on sandow smarter and guys like Harrison and Ryan werent overpaid.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

A lot of money tied up in Hayne, Sandow, Norman (all spine players) , hopoate is on abit (strike player).

we'd be better positioned no doubt if we spent our money on sandow smarter and guys like Harrison and Ryan werent overpaid.

When we signed Sandow he was the form halfback in the NRL. He was worth what we offered him when he signed.

Ryan and Harrison wouldn't be on much. They were both fringe first graders when they signed (re-signed in the case of Ryan).

Sandow is overpaid for what he's done since coming here, and Hayne is overpaid in any season where he doesn't play 20+ games. Likewise Tonga on his last contract, and probably Loko too. Interest from other clubs would have him on a big enough contract that we need a lot more from him than eight games a year.

And you think Ryan and Harrison are the ones blowing our budget? lol

 

[eels81236]

Chiefs join the market for enigmatic Ma'a Nonu



MARC HINTON Last updated 05:03 13/10/2013

BEN CURRAN/Fairfax NZ
SUDDENLY IN DEMAND: After being on the verge of leaving New Zealand rugby, the Blues and Chiefs are now chasing Ma'a Nonu.

Enigmatic All Black Ma'a Nonu now has two Super Rugby franchises lining up for his services in a dramatic change in circumstances likely to see the veteran midfielder remain in New Zealand.
The Blues on Friday confirmed they were "looking at him" for next year's Super Rugby campaign, while Chiefs coach Dave Rennie yesterday told the Star-Times there were also keen to have discussions with the 84-test All Black with a view to potentially offering him a home.
Suddenly in the space of a Sonny Bill Williams back-flip, the 31-year-old All Black second five-eighths has gone from being a supposed outcast, to having options as far his Super Rugby future goes.
It had been feared Nonu would be forced to head offshore if he could not find a Super Rugby deal for next year, despite remaining a key ingredient in Steve Hansen's all-conquering All Blacks and motivated to continue through until the 2015 World Cup.
He appeared for the Highlanders last season, the Blues in 2012 and played his final year with his home-town Hurricanes in 2011 before falling out with coach Mark Hammett. He has developed a reputation at Super Rugby level as an under-performer who has been an unsettling influence in his franchises.
Rennie admitted Williams' surprise decision to stay on in rugby league with the Sydney Roosters had put a spanner in the works of their plans, and with a midfield spot now opened up they were keen to talk to Nonu. Williams has indicated he will be back in 2015.
"We had a bit of a contingency plan anyway," said Rennie. "There's been talk about Ma'a being linked to the Blues, but we would certainly be interested to sit down and talk with Ma'a.
"That may or may not happen based on where he's at currently. We'll know a bit more in coming days."
It's understood the Chiefs start some way behind the Blues, with talks between the Auckland franchise and Nonu said to be a fair way down the track.
But in some ways the Chiefs might be a better fit, with the Blues already having rising young star Francis Saili covering second five.
The Chiefs would also offer a fresh start for Nonu, who left the Blues under a cloud when he was said to have reneged on a handshake deal to stay on with new coach Sir John Kirwan.


Meanwhile, Rennie confirmed the Chiefs had been approached around whether they had any interest in Parramatta Eels NRL star Jarryd Hayne, but it had gone no further.

The NZRU will today in Christchurch announce new deals for key All Blacks Kieran Read and Sam Whitelock that will take them past the next World Cup.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...hiefs-join-the-market-for-enigmatic-Ma-a-Nonu

 

[oldmancraigy]

And you think Ryan and Harrison are the ones blowing our budget? lol

They're blowing our budget for their productivity vs performance.

Neither one of them should be on much more than $100k. Combined they're hitting in excess of $500k.

Awful signings - I know you try and use your circular (and fuzzy) logic to justify their signings. But if you think paying 2 guys who aren't FG starters the kind of money that FG starters should be getting, then you should definitely take over the management of any NRL club for 10 years (except Parra), that way I know we'd be avoiding the spoon!

 

[Delboy]

The real answer to the question re ability and money for Harrison and Ryan is simple, how many offers did they get to play elsewhere ( and we were prepared to carry some of the freight)

Answer + a pineapple , No! it was - they are still at Parra. (Paying those dudes the 150k/180k they are apparently on , enough said.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I reckon Ryan + Harrison are worth $300k between them. They're probably on a bit more than that but no way would they be on a combined $500k.

Smith, Horo and Maitua were on the books as starting back rowers this year. That means nobody else would be.

 

[EelsFan05]

I reckon Ryan + Harrison are worth $300k between them. They're probably on a bit more than that but no way would they be on a combined $500k.

Smith, Horo and Maitua were on the books as starting back rowers this year. That means nobody else would be.

You assume that our club knows how to spend the cap wisely. Our results the last three years suggest otherwise.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You assume that our club knows how to spend the cap wisely. Our results the last three years suggest otherwise.

In 2011 we had a fairly ordinary squad but these past two years we have had far too much salary cap injured or in rehab.

 

[IFR33K]

.....and in wenty.

 

[lingard]

When we signed Sandow he was the form halfback in the NRL. He was worth what we offered him when he signed.

Ryan and Harrison wouldn't be on much. They were both fringe first graders when they signed (re-signed in the case of Ryan).

Sandow is overpaid for what he's done since coming here, and Hayne is overpaid in any season where he doesn't play 20+ games. Likewise Tonga on his last contract, and probably Loko too. Interest from other clubs would have him on a big enough contract that we need a lot more from him than eight games a year.

And you think Ryan and Harrison are the ones blowing our budget? lol

I agree with what you've said - except your comments about Hayne. I think some players (say, Cameron Smith, Billy Slater, Paul Gallen, Thurston and Inglis; players of that ilk) are in a way priceless. I believe that their value to a team cannot be measured in terms of dollars or how many games they play. I think Jarryd Hayne is definitely one of those players. They are never overpaid. I think we are about to get another one, too, in William Hoppoate.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I agree with what you've said - except your comments about Hayne. I think some players (say, Cameron Smith, Billy Slater, Paul Gallen, Thurston and Inglis; players of that ilk) are in a way priceless. I believe that their value to a team cannot be measured in terms of dollars or how many games they play. I think Jarryd Hayne is definitely one of those players. They are never overpaid. I think we are about to get another one, too, in William Hoppoate.

With respect mate, that just doesn't make sense. There a fixed salary cap. What if we paid JH $4m a year? And tried to sign the rest of the team for the balance of the salary cap.

It's fine to talk about priceless assets, but the cap is measured in terms of $$, and there's a very simple relationship between what you spend on one player, and how much you can spend on the rest of the team. At some point, you have to say no.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

I agree with what you've said - except your comments about Hayne. I think some players (say, Cameron Smith, Billy Slater, Paul Gallen, Thurston and Inglis; players of that ilk) are in a way priceless. I believe that their value to a team cannot be measured in terms of dollars or how many games they play. I think Jarryd Hayne is definitely one of those players. They are never overpaid. I think we are about to get another one, too, in William Hoppoate.

I don't think Hoppa could ever have the same value to the eels as Hayne does, regardless of how good he might be purely because he isn't born and bred. Haynes worth every cent for marketing purposes alone.

 

[oldmancraigy]

I reckon Ryan + Harrison are worth $300k between them. They're probably on a bit more than that but no way would they be on a combined $500k.

Smith, Horo and Maitua were on the books as starting back rowers this year. That means nobody else would be.

Unfortunately you'd be surprised

However, all those guys you mentioned are completely off the books at the end of next year I believe. Sharp has been speaking about how we're after a couple of Origin players next year - I can suggest to you that the blokes mentioned in your post earned enough between the 5 of them to pay 2 other blokes the amount that Rusty thought Sandow was earning per year.

Shame that approaching $1.5m of our cap was spent on backrowers, and none of them are rep quality.... nevermind - those days are gone!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Shame that approaching $1.5m of our cap was spent on backrowers, and none of them are rep quality.... nevermind - those days are gone!

Which back rowers add up to $1.5M and how much is each one on? (In your opinion of course).