Rumours and Stuff XXX

[Stagger eel]

Front loading or whatever it's called can only be good if you know that your junior system can provide the sort of back up required to cater for a squad that wants to be competitive every year...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I agree that next year should be our focus now. But, in deciding whether to release more players, we've got to try to maintain a competitive squad (i.e. one with which you go in to most games having a credible chance). Players don't develop too well otherwise. I wouldn't stand in Gordon's way, but I wouldn't push him out the door either.

And.....if we release too many players we might run into 2nd tier cap trouble.

I'm sure releasing players is contingent on freeing up a top 25 slot.

 

[Bigfella]

I agree that some of hear moves wouldn't be happening if we were still in contention.

Also that it's fair enough that next year is the focus. Some of these salary cap rulings will probably effect future salary cap years too.

The danger though is if we are not competitive wil we damage the confidence and morale and actually go backwards going into next season?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well it's certainly better than P Sharp.

Remember his promise that we wouldn't have to shed any players this season?

No. When did he promise that?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I've never pretended to understand the salary cap and I'm not about to start to understand it now but there must be a method to this that none of us know about, it could Be to make room for French to step up to the full time squad or the possible return of the prodigal son, whatever it is I can take heart that the only guy I ever trusted at this club this year is taking control of the situation...

The only people being moved on are unnecessary. Paulo has been gash for weeks, and Gutherson makes Gordon redundant. Morgan was competing with Toutai for the backup centre spot, and we had three hookers with NRL experience sitting behind Peats.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

This years a ride off so may as well give guys like Alvaro - French - Twal etc experience. Hit the ground running 2017.
As far as front loading i think its a bit of an unfair play. I mean would you not be better off going lets just have two years where squads not as strong and front load then have those players cheap for the last few years and sign some great new players and backload there contracts so for those 2 yrs you have a great squad.
It would mean 2 years of an awesome side with 4 years of average but id rather have 2/6 years where you can be top 1/3 chance of winning the comp then a 1/16 every year.

You can't frontload players not already at your club.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I agree that some of hear moves wouldn't be happening if we were still in contention.

Also that it's fair enough that next year is the focus. Some of these salary cap rulings will probably effect future salary cap years too.

The danger though is if we are not competitive wil we damage the confidence and morale and actually go backwards going into next season?

Yes, that's exactly the risk if we take it too far.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I agree that some of hear moves wouldn't be happening if we were still in contention.

Also that it's fair enough that next year is the focus. Some of these salary cap rulings will probably effect future salary cap years too.

The danger though is if we are not competitive wil we damage the confidence and morale and actually go backwards going into next season?

Why wouldn't we be competitive? Do you really think we are losing any essential players?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Front loading or whatever it's called can only be good if you know that your junior system can provide the sort of back up required to cater for a squad that wants to be competitive every year...

Front loading is just something you do if you find yourself with cap space and nobody of value to bring into the squad that year. Like if you let players go mid-season.

 

[hineyrulz]

No. When did he promise that?

He did promise we wouldn't be paying players to play elsewhere.

Nek Minnet we are paying for Pauli, Seffa and Matterson to play elsewhere.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He did promise we wouldn't be paying players to play elsewhere.

Nek Minnet we are paying for Pauli, Seffa and Matterson to play elsewhere.

How do you know we're paying them to play elsewhere?

 

[Bigfella]

Why wouldn't we be competitive? Do you really think we are losing any essential players?

Yes, in junior. But it's not just in losing playing strength.

You have been in denial about junior but he issue best prop by a long way.

We are light in for props anyway, but he is our best.

But there will be a big effect on morale if peats junior and Gordon all go.

They are all a big part of the team culture. That's a big change already and there will be some doubt creep in to the group I'm sure about whether the right decisions have been made.

If we say stand down injured players who would otherwise have played (eg Foran with his issues; Scott wth injuries) the playing roster will be massively weakened.

Then there is the mental side of it all.Even close to our top side is already significantly weakened mentally by the loss of points. That could well get worse as we lose more games.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yes, in junior. But it's not just in losing playing strength.

You have been in denial about junior but he issue best prop by a long way.

We are light in for props anyway, but he is our best.

He's only our 'best' when we win the ruck and he has room to run at halfbacks.

But there will be a big effect on morale if peats junior and Gordon all go.

I think if they go it is for a reason, and if there is an effect on morale it is for that reason, not because players will have left.

They are all a big part of the team culture. That's a big change already and there will be some doubt creep in to the group I'm sure about whether the right decisions have been made.

If we say stand down injured players who would otherwise have played (eg Foran with his issues; Scott wth injuries) the playing roster will be massively weakened.

Then there is the mental side of it all.Even close to our top side is already significantly weakened mentally by the loss of points. That could well get worse as we lose more games.

I'm sure the players coming into the team will add their own enthusiasm. As for whether or not they can play in the finals probably matters less to the players than it does to us - one thing that makes these guys professionals is that they are genuinely able to take each game on its own merits. The whole 'one week at a time' thing isn't just media talk - it is their mindset. They want to win every game. Not playing finals or losing former team mates won't change that.

 

[Chipmunk]

I agree that next year should be our focus now. But, in deciding whether to release more players, we've got to try to maintain a competitive squad (i.e. one with which you go in to most games having a credible chance). Players don't develop too well otherwise. I wouldn't stand in Gordon's way, but I wouldn't push him out the door either.

And.....if we release too many players we might run into 2nd tier cap trouble.

If we're not going to re-sign Gordon and Paulo is leaving, are we not better off playing our planned 2017 squad now and giving them time to play together? It will also give the coaching staff the opportunity to work out what other possible areas we need to improve in and if we should buy some other players.

We won't run into 2nd tier cap trouble if we ask the NRL for approval to play the players, instead of just ignoring the NRL and playing who we like.

 

[Stagger eel]

Front loading is just something you do if you find yourself with cap space and nobody of value to bring into the squad that year. Like if you let players go mid-season.

And the benefit of that is???

 

[hineyrulz]

How do you know we're paying them to play elsewhere?

So you reckon they were just happy to take them off our hands out of the goodness of their hearts???

Of course we are paying for them, keep sticking up for these incompetent idiots.

 

[parra-matters]

You could sign someone before June 30th and pay them the rest of the year, doesn't mean they have to play or even train with the team, provided they aren't under contract to another NRL club of coarse...

 

[Noise]

Did they change that loophole that the Roosters used when they signed Maloney from the Warriors? You have to hand it to the Roosters they are clever f**kers

 

[Chipmunk]

I agree that some of hear moves wouldn't be happening if we were still in contention.

Also that it's fair enough that next year is the focus. Some of these salary cap rulings will probably effect future salary cap years too.

The danger though is if we are not competitive wil we damage the confidence and morale and actually go backwards going into next season?

Nah I disagree, I think that we will be highly motivated next season. At the stage we appear to not be as motivated as we should be and there is an obvious reason why.

We're better off giving guys some exposure to NRL now rather than having to rely on them to perform next season.

 

[parra-matters]

Did they change that loophole that the Roosters used when they signed Maloney from the Warriors? You have to hand it to the Roosters they are clever f**kers

Didn't Maloney move mid season and got a massive upgrade for the remainder of the year compared to what he was on the warriors?
Then was paid less in the next year or so after.