Rumours and Stuff

[Noise]

Hey Pou, there is an article in today's telegraph (i read it old school in the paper , not online so don't have the link) about Moses' contract negotiations stating he is the only 6 to not have registered a line break assist this season. Now I know they can be wrong but this would indicate Gutherson has one - as the stats I read indicated.

 

[hineyrulz]

We'd probably still find something to whinge about ... lol

yeah I'd be happy to the world club challenge, and then well you know I'm not called Whineyrulzs for nothing.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Tepai is an absolute merkin for considering going to union. We should drop this piece of shit from our squad right now.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

and semi or jarryd don't aspire to win a premiership just as much as tepai does? lol

missing the point

Is the point that everyone is racist against Fijians but not Cook Islanders?

 

[Chipmunk]

Hey Pou, there is an article in today's telegraph (i read it old school in the paper , not online so don't have the link) about Moses' contract negotiations stating he is the only 6 to not have registered a line break assist this season. Now I know they can be wrong but this would indicate Gutherson has one - as the stats I read indicated.

Takairangi broke through the line once or twice... Someone must have passed him the ball.

 

[strider]

I think we are all too PC and just dont wanna pick on a guy with glasses

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What? This isn't science, you muppet.

When we start to demand evidence we are invoking the scientific method, just as in a court of law. However unlike a court of law, whether or not Manu Ma'u plays better on the left or right isn't skewed by any 'presumption of innocence' - there is no presumption favouring any of the options (i.e. that he plays better on the left or the right or that it is irrelevant).

Someone makes a claim, it's not up the person they make the claim to to back up that claim....pretty simple stuff.

And making the claim they have backed it up. If you think their evidence (even if mere observation) is flimsy then you need to provide counter evidence to refute it. Not just demand someone provide more evidence until you're satisfied.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hey Pou, there is an article in today's telegraph (i read it old school in the paper , not online so don't have the link) about Moses' contract negotiations stating he is the only 6 to not have registered a line break assist this season. Now I know they can be wrong but this would indicate Gutherson has one - as the stats I read indicated.

Didn't you already say that according to one compiler Gutherson had a couple of LBAs? The DT has probably referenced the same source.

 

[Bazal]

When we start to demand evidence we are invoking the scientific method, just as in a court of law. However unlike a court of law, whether or not Manu Ma'u plays better on the left or right isn't skewed by any 'presumption of innocence' - there is no presumption favouring any of the options (i.e. that he plays better on the left or the right or that it is irrelevant).


And making the claim they have backed it up. If you think their evidence (even if mere observation) is flimsy then you need to provide counter evidence to refute it. Not just demand someone provide more evidence until you're satisfied.

Oh shut up Pou. Even in science, if you make a claim it must be backed by evidence that can reasonably be extrapolated to reach that conclusion, and it must be demonstrable and repeatable, otherwise it will simply be ignored. But this is not a scientific journal, it is a forum, and it's completely reasonable to ask for evidence to back a claim.

You must be really bored today huh?

 

[Noise]

Didn't you already say that according to one compiler Gutherson had a couple of LBAs? The DT has probably referenced the same source.

Yep, I guess I'm also wondering if your source had the same numbers for Moses. Seems weird that all other players we've mentioned are the same accept gutherson

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Oh shut up Pou. Even in science, if you make a claim it must be backed by evidence that can reasonably be extrapolated to reach that conclusion, and it must be demonstrable and repeatable, otherwise it will simply be ignored. But this is not a scientific journal, it is a forum, and it's completely reasonable to ask for evidence to back a claim.

You must be really bored today huh?

I told you, there is evidence. Somebody's observation is often the only evidence they have. If your observation says different then you have to agree to disagree. But if you've got something better, like stats or video, then you can refute the theory put forward. Otherwise you can't. Just demanding more proof isn't enough. Your observation (or lack thereof) doesn't trump their observation.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yep, I guess I'm also wondering if your source had the same numbers for Moses. Seems weird that all other players we've mentioned are the same accept gutherson

Yeah I'm pretty sure I remember Moses has zero LBAs in four games. Brooks has one.

 

[Bazal]

I told you, there is evidence. Somebody's observation is often the only evidence they have. If your observation says different then you have to agree to disagree. But if you've got something better, like stats or video, then you can refute the theory put forward. Otherwise you can't. Just demanding more proof isn't enough. Your observation (or lack thereof) doesn't trump their observation.

Casual observation does not equal solid evidence. It is anecdotal and thus weak. You know very little about science that much is clear.

If you have a problem with me requesting evidence of a claim in future, might is suggest having a nice hot cup of shut the f**k up, and moving on...?

 

[Gary Gutful]

I told you, there is evidence. Somebody's observation is often the only evidence they have. If your observation says different then you have to agree to disagree. But if you've got something better, like stats or video, then you can refute the theory put forward. Otherwise you can't. Just demanding more proof isn't enough. Your observation (or lack thereof) doesn't trump their observation.

You don't have proof of this!!!

Where's your f**ken proof, science boy??!!??

 

[Chipmunk]

Yep, I guess I'm also wondering if your source had the same numbers for Moses. Seems weird that all other players we've mentioned are the same accept gutherson

Maybe the paper doesn't see Gutherson as a Five-eighth...maybe they see him as a winger/centre wearing jumper No. 6.

 

[hindy111]

I bagged the shit out of Sharp and his crew, was I wrong???

I said Daniel Anderson was not the answer in his role of head of football, was I wrong????

Seward was a clueless idiot and out of his depth and Bolous an even worse appointment, was I wrong????

I said Watmough was a ridiculous signing over 4 years was I wrong???

I said our dummy half stocks are the worst in the League for this season, was I wrong???

I've been wrong about plenty on here and always happy to put my hand up when I am.

I thought SK would be the answer, I was glad Spags got rid of Fitzy and thought he would take the club forward. I thought Ozzy would do a great job as CEO I thought Foran was going to be the signing that won a comp.

Badly wrong on all accounts.

Mr 55% -

 

[El Diablo]

Tepai official

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Casual observation does not equal solid evidence. It is anecdotal and thus weak. You know very little about science that much is clear.

I'm not talking about casual observation, I'm talking about the kind of observation you'll find from people obsessed with something. And while I agree that it is sometimes weak, those are the occasions when theories are easily refuted. So what are you crying about?

 

[Bazal]

I'm not talking about casual observation, I'm talking about the kind of observation you'll find from people obsessed with something. And while I agree that it is sometimes weak, those are the occasions when theories are easily refuted. So what are you crying about?

Nothing. You're the one whinging about my request for evidence

Let's flip it, shall we. Technically I'm not the one refuting anything. After all, the Ma'u being worse on the right assertion came as a response to my comment that it doesn't particularly matter what side a bloke plays on. Therefore by your own logic, the claims that Manu is worse on the right are an attempt to refute my "theory" and thus should be backed with evidence...

You're not the only one who can twist an argument to suit their means

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Nothing. You're the one whinging about my request for evidence

Let's flip it, shall we. Technically I'm not the one refuting anything. After all, the Ma'u being worse on the right assertion came as a response to my comment that it doesn't particularly matter what side a bloke plays on. Therefore by your own logic, the claims that Manu is worse on the right are an attempt to refute my "theory" and thus should be backed with evidence...

You're not the only one who can twist an argument to suit their means

I think it's likely he is better on the left. I think it's a fair statement to make, and there is evidence for it, if only the fact that is where he has played the majority of his NRL career.

If someone said they think he has played better on the right what proof could you possibly ask for? It would obviously just be somebody's opinion. The evidence is, IMO, against it, and so if you disagree you're better off offering the evidence against rather then demanding proof. Often there is no convenient proof for a valid rugby league opinion.

Sometimes I'll draw an opinion on the game based on repeated observation of something. I check the stats to see if there's evidence in support. Often there is nothing, and usually I'll know in advance that stats for what I'm looking for (e.g. wrestling in the ruck) don't exist online. And sometimes the stats refute what I think I've observed. This is usually a good time to reflect on the poor choices I've made.