Rumours and Stuff

[Obscene Assassin]

I think Katauga is probably one of the best attacking backrowers in the game but needs to get to NRL level defence, Williams is handy but definitely not a long term solution.

should be an area that we need to look at with recruitment moving forward.

Kautoga showed the opposite last year. He had to learn how to play what the team needs from him in attack, not what he wanted to do. It meant he had to put the offload away and focus on getting on the outside shoulder and a quick play the ball. He had to learn how to attack as an NRL player, not as a NSW cup player.

Defensively he tackled at 92% efficiency. Liam Martin defended at 89% efficiency whilst Angus Crichton defended at 91.6 efficiency. If he can continue his development as an attacker whilst keeping that defensive resolve he'll be a very good second rower.

Second rower is not a position I think we need to invest in externally. Between Kautoga, Williams, Tuilagi, Guymer, Doorey and Samrani we have adequate coverage and if they get too expensive then we have Latu, Funa-Iuta, Lokeni, and Petrus

 

[85 Baby]

Kautoga showed the opposite last year. He had to learn how to play what the team needs from him in attack, not what he wanted to do. It meant he had to put the offload away and focus on getting on the outside shoulder and a quick play the ball. He had to learn how to attack as an NRL player, not as a NSW cup player.

Defensively he tackled at 92% efficiency. Liam Martin defended at 89% efficiency whilst Angus Crichton defended at 91.6 efficiency. If he can continue his development as an attacker whilst keeping that defensive resolve he'll be a very good second rower.

Second rower is not a position I think we need to invest in externally. Between Kautoga, Williams, Tuilagi, Guymer, Doorey and Samrani we have adequate coverage and if they get too expensive then we have Latu, Funa-Iuta, Lokeni, and Petrus

He needs to up his fitness and study Mau and just model himself off him. He does that, he’ll have decent career

 

[hindy111]

So Too averaged

Comparatively here’s who we assume will be least kicking back we have Penisini
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Down year last season but 2 prior to that are better than all bar Mclean’s debut year

So what this says is that -

Too kicked 16 times in 17 games
Mclean 26 times in 20 games
Tago 27 times.

So they are averaging one kick a game basically. Thats nore then I expected. Based on this statement it confirms my initial thoughts.THANKS I almost doubted myself. The backs average around 3 or 4 kicks a game.

Problem with your stat is it doesn't show how effective any of the kicks were. Did they force an error,repeat set, try or a 7 tackle set? Did they kick under pressure or was it a brain explosion.

Stats are basicaly rubbish without context.

And as far as comparing Will and Casey Mclean are you serious? Casey will be the best centre in game by time hes 21

 

[hindy111]

As far as JAC and Lomax goes I wasn't aware they come through our development/training system.

 

[RealdEel]

But not as much as most coaches. Face it, he did a good job. Winning more than half your games at our club is a huge achievement. Better than most Eels coaches have managed.

Yes I do have to agree he came in at a pretty shit time as well

 

[RealdEel]

So Too averaged

So what this says is that -

Too kicked 16 times in 17 games
Mclean 26 times in 20 games
Tago 27 times.

So they are averaging one kick a game basically. Thats nore then I expected. Based on this statement it confirms my initial thoughts.THANKS I almost doubted myself. The backs average around 3 or 4 kicks a game.

Problem with your stat is it doesn't show how effective any of the kicks were. Did they force an error,repeat set, try or a 7 tackle set? Did they kick under pressure or was it a brain explosion.

Stats are basicaly rubbish without context.

And as far as comparing Will and Casey Mclean are you serious? Casey will be the best centre in game by time hes 21

Yep don't go full Pou Pou @85baby

 

[RealdEel]

I was just asking because Penisini played a lot of NSW Cup. Is he too old?

That's not what you asked I can find a good hacker if need be

 

[85 Baby]

So Too averaged

So what this says is that -

Too kicked 16 times in 17 games
Mclean 26 times in 20 games
Tago 27 times.

So they are averaging one kick a game basically. Thats nore then I expected. Based on this statement it confirms my initial thoughts.THANKS I almost doubted myself. The backs average around 3 or 4 kicks a game.

Problem with your stat is it doesn't show how effective any of the kicks were. Did they force an error,repeat set, try or a 7 tackle set? Did they kick under pressure or was it a brain explosion.

Stats are basicaly rubbish without context.

Your implication was that only the Smugs trained to kick. You weren’t correct. I elect you to do the research on how effective each of their kicks were.
Either way if that’s their game plan, that’s their game plan. It didn’t work out for them this year so it’s not the panacea to winning a premiership.

And as far as comparing Will and Casey Mclean are you serious? Casey will be the best centre in game by time hes 21

If you take me showing Penisini having more kick metres than Smugs back 4 as me comparing him to Mclean then I guess Mclean better up his kick metres if he wants to be better, because kicks are what determines the skill level of centres

 

[hindy111]

Your implication was that only the Smugs trained to kick. You weren’t correct. I elect you to do the research on how effective each of their kicks were.
Either way if that’s their game plan, that’s their game plan. It didn’t work out for them this year so it’s not the panacea to winning a premiership.

If you take me showing Penisini having more kick metres than Smugs back 4 as me comparing him to Mclean then I guess Mclean better up his kick metres if he wants to be better, because kicks are what determines the skill level of centres

My implication was The kicks is a very very small detail and I used as an example to show coaches training and development based on our junior backs lack basic skills. I also used the superman dive in the corner as an example.
You just picked up the string and ran in the opposite direction. Like POU POU does. And started firing stats that dont even back your statement up to confuse everyone.
We havent produced a decent back in 12yrs. I put it down to poor coaching and lack of good training. The ones we've developed all have flaws and low skill level.

 

[85 Baby]

That's not what you asked I can find a good hacker if need be

If I log in under a different account will that help you recognise that we already do play younger players in NSW Cup a lot?
If your problem is with Tago playing a lot of NSW Cup, that’s fine but also it’s NSW Cup, who gives a shit.
If you’re problem is with the standard of juniors being capable of pushing up a grade, I don’t disagree, we have struggled for decades to capitalise on our junior accomplishments through to NRL players

 

[85 Baby]

My implication was The kicks is a very very small detail and I used as an example to show coaches training and development based on our junior backs lack basic skills. I also used the superman dive in the corner as an example.
You just picked up the string and ran in the opposite direction. Like POU POU does. And started firing stats that dont even back your statement up to confuse everyone.
We havent produced a decent back in 12yrs. I put it down to poor coaching and lack of good training. The ones we've developed all have flaws and low skill level.

My stats showed our backline do kicks and my original post was that Penrith get more opportunity and likely part of their game plan. I do agree though that quality of training and especially development of juniors from stage to stage is vital and has been lacking. But backline players doing kicks is just you manual handling of Smugs again.

 

[Parra Pride]

Lorenzo needs to get on the peptides. Apa Twidle looks physically ready to me.

If we have an Alameddine why aren’t we just guaranteeing him first grade in exchange for some ‘favours’? Seems simple enough to me.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

My implication was The kicks is a very very small detail and I used as an example to show coaches training and development based on our junior backs lack basic skills. I also used the superman dive in the corner as an example.
You just picked up the string and ran in the opposite direction. Like POU POU does. And started firing stats that dont even back your statement up to confuse everyone.
We havent produced a decent back in 12yrs. I put it down to poor coaching and lack of good training. The ones we've developed all have flaws and low skill level.

We developed Talagi. He was good enough for Penrith to want him at the age of 20. He already had good attacking skills. Hopefully Penrith can teach him to tackle.

We also developed Dylan Brown who is now one of the highest paid players in the game.

 

[AnonymousLurker]

We developed Talagi. He was good enough for Penrith to want him at the age of 20. He already had good attacking skills. Hopefully Penrith can teach him to tackle.

We also developed Dylan Brown who is now one of the highest paid players in the game.

I don’t think he was referring to spine players but outside backs

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I don’t think he was referring to spine players but outside backs

You mean the guys who don't have the skills to play in the spine? Weird flex to brag about how skillful they are. Like boasting about having the biggest halfback. Which, coincidentally, Penrith also have in their team.

 

[TheCrowe]

Lorenzo needs to get on the peptides. Apa Twidle looks physically ready to me.

SARMS are better then peptides.

 

[RealdEel]

If I log in under a different account will that help you recognise that we already do play younger players in NSW Cup a lot?
If your problem is with Tago playing a lot of NSW Cup, that’s fine but also it’s NSW Cup, who gives a shit.
If you’re problem is with the standard of juniors being capable of pushing up a grade, I don’t disagree, we have struggled for decades to capitalise on our junior accomplishments through to NRL players

Bingo

 

[hindy111]

We developed Talagi. He was good enough for Penrith to want him at the age of 20. He already had good attacking skills. Hopefully Penrith can teach him to tackle.

We also developed Dylan Brown who is now one of the highest paid players in the game.

Yeah we've actually done very well developing halves and forwards. I agree. Shame they are playing eslewhere.
Btw whats this got to do with backs?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yeah we've actually done very well developing halves and forwards. I agree. Shame they are playing eslewhere.
Btw whats this got to do with backs?

Halves are backs. They are like outside backs with more skill. That's why Talagi and Drown can both play centre but McLean and Tago can't play five-eighth.

 

[hindy111]

Halves are backs. They are like outside backs with more skill. That's why Talagi and Drown can both play centre but McLean and Tago can't play five-eighth.

Yeah imagine Cleary on the wing. He'd be a beast