Rumours and Stuff

[Bazal]

Timing is everything. If Norman was on this years merry go round with the openended cap and post Hunt, he would be on more than that.

Probably but it's not really relevant because he's not on this year's merry go round....

 

[IFR33K]

600-700k is the figure I've heard. Given Norman is on 850k or so that's reasonable enough....

Media outlets have said 700k and it's been widely reported he's taking a pay cut in comparison to what the tigers were willing to pay. There's no way he's on same money as Norman. I think there's a huge incentive for him to come this year $$$ wise considering the cap space we still have. But that's only an assumption.

 

[Gronk]

he can with the eels, but not with the nrl.

the nrl rule is 10 business days mandatory before registration of contract.

That sounds a) stupid and b) not what happened with Hayne.

You might recall that Hayne was taken into a hotel room and given his Alan Bond contract with an almost-immediate-off-the-table expiry date. They had a lawyer there and Hayne waived his COP.

Next day the Titans and the NRL rejoiced that the contract was registered.

Fireworks and marching bands followed.

 

[hineyrulz]

Didn't know Isaac Moses posted on here, he's still untrustworthy merkin as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Gary Gutful]

No I'm not. Im claiming he had come to terms with Parra before the offer was withdrawn. Thats all. Brooks signed prior to the offer being withdrawn and that (along with NRL reducing the forecast cap) is what prompted the Tigers to concentrate on Woods & Teddy and withdraw the offer.

I'm not here to kick up dust and I'm keen for a dignified exit. FWIW other that some questionable judgements on value (almost as bad as the Tigers) I dont think Parra have done anything wrong here with regards to Moses nor do I think Tigers have done anything wrong, in fact Im quite proud of the way they have handled things. I merely initially interjected to address a perception that poor old Mitch had been wronged by the Tigers. He had an offer of near $900K on teh table for 9 months, his manager has been playign the club and trying to hold us to ransom. Its my opinion (based on some actual knowledge) that in part the withdrawal of the offer by the Tigers (as well as genuinely addressing the reduced cap and Teddy & Woods negotiations) was a final chess move by the Club to screw over Isaac Moses. The deal was done with Parra and Tigers moved to eliminate any potential manouvering by the manager.

Cheers Tig

You make a lot of sense.

 

[Tiger5150]

There are things as tpa's u know..

If he's currently on 600 then why would 850 be overs with the cap continually going up????

I take it it only became overs once he signed with a rival club, yeah????

You are probably right. At the start of the year I was very keen to keep all 4 of the Snore 4. Brooks would have been at the bottom of my priorities. As you say with the cap going up, I thought the money offered for all 4 was way high but maybe arguably ok because of the cap etc.

Brooks & Moses are both currently on $600K a year. Thats what I think they are worth right now as value on actual performances. Brooks has signed for next 3 years at $ 550K. That is what he is worth. The prospect of losing Moses, Woods & Teddy makes you look at other players available and in doing so, you have to look at their value as well. The cold fact is that these guys (other than Teddy) are simply not worth those dollars. Woods is a more startling example. The offer that the Tigers have tabled for a long time now is just south of $900K a year. Taumololo is on $1M. JWH, Merrin, Tamou, Matulino, Hess, and probably 10 other props I'd rather have ahead of Woods and would be on MUCH less. You or someone else made the other obvious example that Moses & Norman are both going to be on the same money. Ridiculous, Norman is a much better player. Moses is not worth that money but their values have been inflated by the openended cap and the Tigers situation.

The inflated values of the Snore 4 are so inflated because the Tigers have invested EVERYTHING in these guys since they were kids as the future to rebuild the club. Hard decisions were made to accomodate this. Good players have been let go to make it work, Austin, Te Mare Martin, Farah, Ryan Papenhuysen and others. Tigers have a LOT invested in them and IMO the prices that the Tigers are offering them are premiums based on this investment. Other clubs dont have this investment and therefore the value is less.

All of the above is why I now think its way overs......and the fact that Mitch has shown himself to be an A grade merkin and I find it hard to back him. Much rather a kid with Brooks attitude. Comparable talent but the gulf in ego is enormous.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Unfortunately once Watmough gets his $300k payout from QBE it will be added to our cap for next year

$875K was Tigers offer. $850K is Parra contract

Why isn't it $700k?

 

[RazorRam0n]

Very ambiguous as the NRL press release stated at the time that the players are given a 10 day cooling off period and that the contract will be registered and that no club can announce a new signing until that period elapses.

Didn't stop Hayne waiving it and the NRL owned Titans announcing it the morning after he signed it.

who was the incumbent club in hayne's scenario?

 

[Tiger5150]

Probably but it's not really relevant because he's not on this year's merry go round....

True, but Mitchell Moses is, which is why he is getting much more than $600-700K (which is what he would be worth and what he is on now).

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

That sounds a) stupid and b) not what happened with Hayne.

You might recall that Hayne was taken into a hotel room and given his Alan Bond contract with an almost-immediate-off-the-table expiry date. They had a lawyer there and Hayne waived his COP.

Next day the Titans and the NRL rejoiced that the contract was registered.

Fireworks and marching bands followed.

Didn't we just have this conversation? Hayne's case was demonstrably different, as he didn't have an existing NRL club and contract. There was no downside risk.

 

[Tiger5150]

Media outlets have said 700k and it's been widely reported he's taking a pay cut in comparison to what the tigers were willing to pay. There's no way he's on same money as Norman. I think there's a huge incentive for him to come this year $$$ wise considering the cap space we still have. But that's only an assumption.

The $$$$ this year makes sense and that might make it $700 for next year (for sc purposes) but its $850Kpa which is slightly less than the Tigers offer so Mitch can still say "it wasnt about the money".

 

[cv8z]

True, but Mitchell Moses is, which is why he is getting much more than $600-700K (which is what he would be worth and what he is on now).

I'm sure all clubs have paid overs for a player or 2, even Farah was on a reported 900k a year a few years back.

 

[Bazal]

True, but Mitchell Moses is, which is why he is getting much more than $600-700K (which is what he would be worth and what he is on now).

No offence but I reckon the bloke who told me that knows a hell of a lot more about it than you. And there are other reports to back him up

 

[Chipmunk]

Very ambiguous as the NRL press release stated at the time that the players are given a 10 day cooling off period and that the contract will be registered and that no club can announce a new signing until that period elapses.

Didn't stop Hayne waiving it and the NRL owned Titans announcing it the morning after he signed it.

You would think that there was some kind of exception given with The Plane contract, as he wanted to play before the 10 day cooling off period finished.

 

[Incorrect]

That sounds a) stupid and b) not what happened with Hayne.

You might recall that Hayne was taken into a hotel room and given his Alan Bond contract with an almost-immediate-off-the-table expiry date. They had a lawyer there and Hayne waived his COP.

Next day the Titans and the NRL rejoiced that the contract was registered.

Fireworks and marching bands followed.

Had to read that twice initially... First glance I thought you were saying he was waiving something else around in that hotel room....

 

[Tiger5150]

No offence but I reckon the bloke who told me that knows a hell of a lot more about it than you. And there are other reports to back him up

* Of course. Look this is the internet and I dont care what you think of my source nor do I care about your bloke. Mind you seem to require reports to back him up so you musn't be too sure about your bloke yourself.

Myself, I dont question the source of my information, I know its fact but dont expect anyone here to take it on face value. Believe what you want and at teh end of the day you willwant to believe what you want to believe. But even after all that, Mitchell Moses will be contracted to Parra for $ 850k a year.

But if you need reports to back up the truth....
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-eels-legend-brett-kenny-20170411-gvif4o.html

Is Brett Kenny "your bloke"?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Which cohesion is that Pou, attack or defence?

Mainly defence

Last time we were cohesive in both was the Dragons game and even then had problems with our defence, particularly close to our line. Defence has been a problem all theyear

Sure but it's a fallacy to say that because we have lacked cohesion (and I don't think we have lacked cohesion in defence) that it couldn't get any worse. And defence has only been a problem because fatigue has been a problem - fatigue due to handing over cheap ball due to our sloppy attack.

Especially in the case with Moses, he will be the worst defender in our defensive line (like Maloney at the Sharks) so we will need to get our structure schmick on his edge.

 

[Tiger5150]

Let me throw another thing to consider in here. We all have speculated that the Tigers are holding off on releasing Moses now based on something we want from Parra. What if its something we want from someone else?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

fact: brooks's 10 day cooling off has lapsed and moses hasn't.

so babooowm there goes that theory

I reckon Moses' cooling off period was over a while ago. The lack of announcement from us is because if he's coming to us this year we don't want to have to announce him twice.

 

[cv8z]

Because that isnt what Parra offered or what Moses accepted. Its a market. He is currently on $600K, the Tigers offer was $875K the Parra deal is $850K. This is fact. Take it for what ever you want and I understand that if I was a Parra fan I would much rather it was $700K but ask yourself this question. If you were Mitchell Moses and you were currently on $600K in a MASSIVELY overblown players market, with a $875K off with your current club on the table why the hell would you leap at a deal that is only marginally higher value than you are currently on at a club that whilst there are lots of positives (good coach, reasonable roster) has arguably as many negatives as your current club (recent history of poor managment, factional fighting in management, poor current form). Its not as if its Brisbane or Melbourne offering him a slight upgrade on his current contract.

Even if it was true (its not) that big bad Tigers snatched the offer away, why would you pounce immediately on a deal worth $700K with Parra?

The Parra deal is $850 and they had come to terms prior to Tigers withdrawing offer. TBH I think its a great deal for Moses and obviously Brad Arthur sees the value.

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