Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

If a missed tackle leads to a try it means the player's team mates aren't doing their job. Otherwise what's the difference between that and a miss that doesn't lead to a try? The player still missed the tackle. After that the result is out of his hands.

 

[Stagger eel]

I find it interesting that we're talking about how Moses should be protected and yet it never once came up in a conversation about Sandow in the 3 or 4 years he was here.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There was a gulf in defensive effectiveness between the two.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

If a missed tackle leads to a try it means the player's team mates aren't doing their job. Otherwise what's the difference between that and a miss that doesn't lead to a try?

A: The position on the field at which the missed tackle occurs, and the context.

If a centre misses a 1-on-1 from a scrum, that's probably it.

 

[Glenneel]

I'm not going to get into the playground attitude of name-calling - rationality doesn't equate to accepting mediocrity -, and I don't think you're a whinger.

I get why you're frustrated - I am, too.

I'm not looking for an argument I just get sick of people making excuses for Parra's continued poor performance and shit house recruitment. And don't get me started on Pou defending the indefensible, Mannah the great pretender. Firstly I thought it tongue in cheek but he posted shortly afterwards another defence of him.

BA is frustrating me, our poor recruitment, his refusal to drop underperforming players, poor defence and poor attacking structures is costing us games. Everything seems built around a budget priced team, so consequently we have a budget performing team, you know one middle of the pack.

I've been following this team for over 50 years and except for a few bright spots its been all mediocre, in fact I have little memory of the late 80s and 90s and further scant memory after that period. What really sticks in my mind in 2001was especially the gf, and 2009 gf. In both cases a mid field bomb not taken cost us both gf's.

Anyway Cleary has made astute purchases of 3 forwards of the calibre we require while we have bought Evans only, a forward I'm not sold on yet. That is what is so frustrating! What is BA waiting for? If its juniors coming thru our next batch of forwards, if they make it, won't happen until another 2 years at least. In the meantime we are full of park standard forwards and will continue to struggle.

 

[Chipmunk]

You lie.

Well played...

 

[Chipmunk]

Double Post....

 

[Poupou Escobar]

A: The position on the field at which the missed tackle occurs, and the context.

If a centre misses a 1-on-1 from a scrum, that's probably it.

Sure, but is the centre whose missed tackle doesn't lead to a try any better than the one whose miss does result in a try?

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I'm not looking for an argument I just get sick of people making excuses for Parra's continued poor performance and shit house recruitment. And don't get me started on Pou defending the indefensible, Mannah the great pretender. Firstly I thought it tongue in cheek but he posted shortly afterwards another defence of him.

BA is frustrating me, our poor recruitment, his refusal to drop underperforming players, poor defence and poor attacking structures is costing us games. Everything seems built around a budget priced team, so consequently we have a budget performing team, you know one middle of the pack.

I've been following this team for over 50 years and except for a few bright spots its been all mediocre, in fact I have little memory of the late 80s and 90s and further scant memory after that period. What really sticks in my mind in 2001was especially the gf, and 2009 gf. In both cases a mid field bomb not taken cost us both gf's.

Anyway Cleary has made astute purchases of 3 forwards of the calibre we require while we have bought Evans only, a forward I'm not sold on yet. That is what is so frustrating! What is BA waiting for? If its juniors coming thru our next batch of forwards, if they make it, won't happen until another 2 years at least. In the meantime we are full of park standard forwards and will continue to struggle.

Seriously, tigers have lost two starting props, a half, a centre and their fullback, so of course they will be more active in the player market.

Additionally a side that is on 3 wins need a lot more rebuilding then a side that currently sits on 7 wins!!

We have also signed a "big" prop from the premiership favourites and a half that the Roosters (who some suggest are the best at recruiting) chased and signed during the offseason!! So two new players for our top 17 isn't a bad effort so far. And we are still in the market for peats.

Finally what's the rush with chasing and paying overs for players especially with the rumoured cap space we have ? Plenty will be available been now and March 2018. While anyone that thinks BA and his brains trust aren't looking at options for improving our side for 2018, has no f**ken idea!!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

BA is frustrating me, our poor recruitment, his refusal to drop underperforming players, poor defence and poor attacking structures is costing us games. Everything seems built around a budget priced team, so consequently we have a budget performing team, you know one middle of the pack.

We all see this too. So do you have any extra information that informs your criticism or do you maybe know better than an NRL coach? How is it you have all the facts that let you see exactly what's going on?

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Cleary has made astute purchases of 3 forwards of the calibre we require while we have bought

Really ? Maybe not!!

Mannah stats for 2017 (metres / tackles) are as good as Matulino's. And Mannah isn't our best prop. Additionally I assume Mannah stats are from less game time while Matulino cost the tigers are f**ken fortune and is a injury risk.

McQueen while a good player, Moeroa / brown both have stats for 2017 which put them well in front of him!!

I like packer and thought he was probably the type of player we need, but gee he is only averaging 105 m a game and 26 tackles, f**k paying well over $500k for that when Alvaro / Matagi aren't doing much worse for a combined total price which I suspect is a lot less then Packers 2018 wage!!

So maybe BA knows what he is doing ....

 

[Glenneel]

I don't think any of them were in power long enough to be judged either way. But I reckon all of the previous boards would have done a much better job if they weren't constantly white anted by their rivals.

Think Fitzy was in power for a long time, he wasn't white anted until late in the piece, and what did he achieve? Not much we went backwards for 20 years or so before he was replaced. Spags was an absolute disaster, both on and off the field before replaced by Sharp. He was the board we had to have, and was white anted by both Fitzy and Spags, before the current situation. Now that's sorted we should improve onfield and yes I do want immediate success. And who said you can't buy a premiership. Storm have been doing it for years (and probably still do) and both Roosters and Souths did.

 

[Glenneel]

Maybe James Moloney should go back to reggies as his defence is far worse than Moses ?

If you look at stats I think it will show JT worse, or at least close enough, to JM in missed tackles.

 

[Glenneel]

Really ? Maybe not!!

Mannah stats for 2017 (metres / tackles) are as good as Matulino's. And Mannah isn't our best prop. Additionally I assume Mannah stats are from less game time while Matulino cost the tigers are f**ken fortune and is a injury risk.

McQueen while a good player, Moeroa / brown both have stats for 2017 which put them well in front of him!!

I like packer and thought he was probably the type of player we need, but gee he is only averaging 105 m a game and 26 tackles, f**k paying well over $500k for that when Alvaro / Matagi aren't doing much worse for a combined total price which I suspect is a lot less then Packers 2018 wage!!

So maybe BA knows what he is doing ....

Well Joshua in 2018 we'll be able to see who had the right foresight.

Regardless our forwards aren't good enough for Evens on his own to improve our pack. And if injured we're back where we started. How do you know Matulino cost a fortune, but he has been fair game since November and I assume the Tigers were the only team to offer him something.

Regarding Matulino he has been poor for some time but I have also been saying for some time that a change of clubs and coach might be all he needs. Packer was bog average until he changed clubs. Not sure what happens at Warriors but their players go well for a time then just drop off. For instance Johnson is a shadow of the player he once was, a change of clubs would do him wonders also.

 

[Glenneel]

Finally what's the rush with chasing and paying overs for players especially with the rumoured cap space we have ? Plenty will be available been now and March 2018. While anyone that thinks BA and his brains trust aren't looking at options for improving our side for 2018, has no f**ken idea!!

You don't know that Josh. I'm confident the wealthy clubs, you know the ones that seem to have the NRL's ear, will get the cap up to what they spent on players. Yet again we'll be left to pick amongst the crumbs for a possible morsel. The same as all the other under-performing teams and our cycle of mediocrity continues on.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Well Joshua in 2018 we'll be able to see who had the right foresight.

Regardless our forwards aren't good enough for Evens on his own to improve our pack. And if injured we're back where we started. How do you know Matulino cost a fortune, but he has been fair game since November and I assume the Tigers were the only team to offer him something.

Regarding Matulino he has been poor for some time but I have also been saying for some time that a change of clubs and coach might be all he needs. Packer was bog average until he changed clubs. Not sure what happens at Warriors but their players go well for a time then just drop off. For instance Johnson is a shadow of the player he once was, a change of clubs would do him wonders also.

. The Australian’s senior rugby league reporter Brent Read told Triple M, Matulino has agreed to a deal that will be worth $700,000 a season.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/ja...t/news-story/96acc332bd3815e2cb7d8083f7d1e662

While that figure probably isnt totally correct, it does give an indication of what he signed for.

We don't need to be desperate to sign players on stupid money that may "perform better" with a "change of clubs". It's a good way to f**k our cap again!'

BA knows what he is doing, don't forget a year or so ago, he sat back and watched several clubs chase centres, and out of it all we picked up Jennings. Penrith / Roosters both signed duds!! And we picked up the best of the centres available.

 

[emjaycee]

A: The position on the field at which the missed tackle occurs, and the context.

If a centre misses a 1-on-1 from a scrum, that's probably it.

I think Pou meant in the counting of missed tackles, not the impact.

 

[Bazal]

You don't know that Josh. I'm confident the wealthy clubs, you know the ones that seem to have the NRL's ear, will get the cap up to what they spent on players. Yet again we'll be left to pick amongst the crumbs for a possible morsel. The same as all the other under-performing teams and our cycle of mediocrity continues on.

Classic hand wringer. Sign all the superstars overnight or sack the coach. Drop the players I'm cross with even though there's no suitable replacement or sack the coach. Disagree with it? You're accepting mediocrity!!!!!

You blokes have done your damage. Enough is enough, seriously. Because of f**ksticks like you who are simply too thick to understand that building success takes time or too impatient to care, we changed our board like tissues when they failed to deliver an immediate premiership, and in turn all those inept self interested wankers destroyed our club.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

The same as all the other under-performing teams and our cycle of mediocrity continues on.

While I agree we need to make some improvements to our top 17 (I would like to add a forward leader and a bench hooker), we are heading in the right direction as frustrating as it is ( I wish we were top 4 too).

If this was 2011 to 2013 of course it would be concerning with an average and aging squad and reserve graders on stupid money!'

But we have a young squad that will naturally improve even without adding players.

The following 10 players from our top 17 are all young and or inexperienced (less then 100 nrl games)

Bevan
Gutherson
Moses
Pritchard
Alvaro
Edwards
Moeroa
Manu
Brown
Semi

We have probably the youngest / inexperienced spine in the comp apart from the Knights. Yet with all the injuries we have have had and our inexperienced squad, we are still winning 50% if our games.

Look at the experience the top 4 sides have compared to us, especially in their spine ?

Come 2018, with our players being more experienced and cap available to improve our squad, along with some promising juniors, our future looks pretty good!!

 

[Snoochies]

I find it interesting that we're talking about how Moses should be protected and yet it never once came up in a conversation about Sandow in the 3 or 4 years he was here.

He had the shoulder charge back then to defend himself.