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strider

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Unfortunately Terepo is another lightweight prop that makes little impact with his charges at the line, same as Alvaro and Mannah. But still, according to Pou, a prop is just there to tackle, which he is good at, so as in Dogs game we'll spend all match struggling to get away from our red zone so definitely one to keep (not).
Well if you watch practically every team in the nrl, the ability to get out of your own 20 consistently is often alot about the first 3 tackles returning a kick downfield ... if you've defended well and its a shit kick then happy days ... if its a good kick then your wingers and centres generally take the first 3 returns. If they are big n strong then it helps get you going. If you are still on the back foot after tackle 3 then your forwards will prob still struggle

I know its cool to bag the shit out of pou, but the whole bevo is a lightweight winger has some balls and its probably having an affect. Not saying i want him out of the team but there is a price to pay
 

Gazzamatta

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If Beau Scott doesn't play next year we should look at Luke Lewis? I think he is off contract.
If Luke Lewis was playing for Parra, both his recent intercept trys would have been penalties. Just like the rest of the Cronulla side, they always jump the gun in the play the ball. Thats why their line speed is so good. They are getting a dream run off the referees imho.
 

Glenneel

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There are only 240 middle forward minutes available, and besides Brown we split ours pretty evenly. Brown is much better than those three. He's a star.

I think you'd be surprised how ordinary Glasby and co would look at Parra right now.
If that is the case Pou it then comes down to the coach. Bellamy >>>>BA, but surely BA learnt something from the master when he spent a year there. One thing he should of learnt is that big forwards > small forwards, Storm only ever seem to put a forward onto the paddock that is over 110kg. That has been their formula forever and they have consistently make the finals and won of 70% of all matches they have played.
 

hindy111

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Well if you watch practically every team in the nrl, the ability to get out of your own 20 consistently is often alot about the first 3 tackles returning a kick downfield ... if you've defended well and its a shit kick then happy days ... if its a good kick then your wingers and centres generally take the first 3 returns. If they are big n strong then it helps get you going. If you are still on the back foot after tackle 3 then your forwards will prob still struggle

I know its cool to bag the shit out of pou, but the whole bevo is a lightweight winger has some balls and its probably having an affect. Not saying i want him out of the team but there is a price to pay

Why cant Taka take a hit up for him? Ideally Semi shpuld take the first hit up after the kick return and pending on what can be gained i feel Bevan at times should be given the ball here just to get to line drop and a quick play ball with Semi or Gutherson taking the next charge. Taka the 3rd or Jennings. There are times I notice Semi carting it up in a situation that Bevan can do same job and save Semi for next run.

In Moi Moi best year it was about when we gave him his run. The years when he just had to take normal charges he didnt look that good. When given ball as defense on back foot he would steam roll them.
 

hindy111

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Phil wants Falou at prop on other site.
Gutherson too hooker a d Speh to halfback

Be one dynamic team.
 

Glenneel

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We just need the biggest props in the comp and we'll win. It's that simple
Baby that definitely is a throw away statement. There are big players and good big players, I only want us to have the latter.
The old saying its not the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog holds true, both Scott and Brown are lightweight forwards but both have mongrel in spades. When they run they make an impact but eventually throwing a lightweight body against bigger bodies takes its toll. Both desperately need help before the toll becomes a burden.
 
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Joshuatheeel

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15 games, 10 runs per game, 87m, 26 tackles, 1 missed tackle

15 games, 10 runs per game, 91m, 25 tackles, 1 missed tackle.

One of these players is State of Origin prop Tim Glasby, one is Daniel Alvaro.

*I'm dropping it now....f**k Tim Glasby but*

And Mannah is 15 games, 10 runs per game, 95m, 24 tackles, 1.4 missed tackles.

While I agreed Mannah's form is down, he stats are also similar.
 

Chipmunk

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There are only 240 middle forward minutes available, and besides Brown we split ours pretty evenly. Brown is much better than those three. He's a star.

I think you'd be surprised how ordinary Glasby and co would look at Parra right now.

Both Glasby and Finucane would improve our ability to win the play the ball in defence immensely and McLean and Funicane would improve our ability to win the play the ball in attack considerably. None of the players in our club besides Brown has any ability in timing their runs to get the ball on the advantage line, but all three of those players do.
 

Chipmunk

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15 games, 10 runs per game, 87m, 26 tackles, 1 missed tackle

15 games, 10 runs per game, 91m, 25 tackles, 1 missed tackle.

One of these players is State of Origin prop Tim Glasby, one is Daniel Alvaro.

*I'm dropping it now....f**k Tim Glasby but*

Glasby is a far superior wrestler and wrestling technique is why middle forwards are good or not so good. You need to compare different stats than runs and tackles to work out who is better.
 

Poupou Escobar

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If that is the case Pou it then comes down to the coach.
No it comes down to their overall squad. When you have stars in key positions plus dominant leadership on the field it makes everyone else's job easier. Did you know only one Melbourne middle forward (NAS) made 100 metres in the huge win over Brisbane? In the Roosters loss it was only two (Glasby and Finucane) and in the win over the Cowboys it was only Bromwich making 100 metres.
Bellamy >>>>BA, but surely BA learnt something from the master when he spent a year there. One thing he should of learnt is that big forwards > small forwards, Storm only ever seem to put a forward onto the paddock that is over 110kg. That has been their formula forever and they have consistently make the finals and won of 70% of all matches they have played.
Nothing to do with their spine?

Anyway, Glasby, Finucane, Rochow and Nate Myles are no bigger than our guys. No better either.
 

TheRam

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If Luke Lewis was playing for Parra, both his recent intercept trys would have been penalties. Just like the rest of the Cronulla side, they always jump the gun in the play the ball. Thats why their line speed is so good. They are getting a dream run off the referees imho.

Hopefully when we are a great team we will too.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Baby that definitely is a throw away statement. There are big players and good big players, I only want us to have the latter.
The old saying its not the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog holds true, both Scott and Brown are lightweight forwards but both have mongrel in spades. When they run they make an impact but eventually throwing a lightweight body against bigger bodies takes its toll. Both desperately need help before the toll becomes a burden.
This year we've beaten the following packs with speed and footwork:
Manly
St George (twice)
Wests
Penrith
North Queensland
Souths
New Zealand
Canterbury

It's a team game.
 

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