Rumours and Stuff

[Poupou Escobar]

How so?

They're in less crowded markets. There is just less to do outside Sydney.

 

[Chipmunk]

They're in less crowded markets. There is just less to do outside Sydney. Down here there is only two A-League teams and one NRL team. SA and WA both have only one A-League team but each has an AFL local derby. And the reason for this is that AFL has a long local history in these places of being the only show in town. It's generational.

I think rugby league's requirement for collisions has driven a lot of kids out of the game. AFL is safe and easy. You don't even really need to be able to catch. You're certainly not punished if you can't.

Well none of that is the AFL's fault. Sports adjust with the times.

You've completely ignored the fact that there is 10 Melbourne teams (including Geelong) in the AFL, in a smaller city than Sydney. Meaning there is more combined elite all-football code teams in Melbourne than there is in Sydney.

There is nothing stopping the NRL creating the same 'derby' in Brisbane that occurs in the AFL in Adelaide and Perth, which is one of your arguments.

Like the NRL, you're just making excuses. Only the losers make excuses.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well none of that is the AFL's fault. Sports adjust with the times.

You've completely ignored the fact that there is 10 Melbourne teams (including Geelong) in the AFL, in a smaller city than Sydney. Meaning there is more combined elite all-football code teams in Melbourne than there is in Sydney.

Yes but they're all AFL aren't they? Isn't that the dick we're comparing to?

There is nothing stopping the NRL creating the same 'derby' in Brisbane that occurs in the AFL in Adelaide and Perth, which is one of your arguments.

I'm sure the NRL would like it. But they aren't exactly in control. The clubs are far too powerful to allow something against their interest. The Broncos would (and do) surely resist a second Brisbane team, as would the Storm.

Like the NRL, you're just making excuses. Only the losers make excuses.

It's not an excuse, just a statement of fact. Hell, the players are even more powerful than the NRL. We don't have a draft because one single player challenged it. For whatever reason the fans don't have a problem with their clubs and players thumbing their nose at the NRL. We hate the NRL as an organisation. Meanwhile down here every merkin seems to love the AFL's governing body. It makes it easier for them to lead, instead of being dictated to by the clubs and players.

 

[hineyrulz]

Subjective opinion. Most AFL fans would say the same about NRL.

NRL seems to live off controversy and any controversy is fueled by the media...

AFL Media tend not to make as big a deal out of minor issues.

AFL media are happy to cover up most things.

Instead we have grubs like Slothfield, Hooper and Kent.

 

[hineyrulz]

They're in less crowded markets. There is just less to do outside Sydney. Down here there is only two A-League teams and one NRL team. SA and WA both have only one A-League team but each has an AFL local derby. And the reason for this is that AFL has a long local history in these places of being the only show in town. It's generational.

I think rugby league's requirement for collisions has driven a lot of kids out of the game. AFL is safe and easy. You don't even really need to be able to catch. You're certainly not punished if you can't.

Fumbling is the number one skill requirement, they don’t even have to kick that straight.

 

[El Diablo]

Prepared to provide some evidence to back up your claim?

the onus is on you to back up yours seeing you made the initial claim

 

[strider]

Lol

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Doesn't seem like a player leaving.

 

[Twizzle]

AFL media are happy to cover up most things.

Instead we have grubs like Slothfield, Hooper and Kent.

say what you like about Vlad, he did a decent job at protecting his brand while Toddles allows the DT et al to tear the NRL apart

 

[Bazal]

I think rugby league's requirement for collisions has driven a lot of kids out of the game. AFL is safe and easy. You don't even really need to be able to catch. You're certainly not punished if you can't.

Which is funny because AFL actually accounts for more serious injuries than rugby league or rugby union...at an amateur level, anyway.

Parents are worried about tackles, but not so much about ACLs it seems.

 

[Delboy]

Need to understand the mentality of Bleak City, worked there for a while, they will say and do anything to protect their game. The press have said previously that they shield their readers from the off field atrocities ( which are worse than NRL) to protect the on field product and promote it against all others.

That coupled with the fact that their reporters will be blacklisted by the AFL if they write uncomplimentary stories, ensures it continues.

 

[hindy111]

Can anyone give me a link to the game stats. Trying to find missed tackles.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Which is funny because AFL actually accounts for more serious injuries than rugby league or rugby union...at an amateur level, anyway.

Parents are worried about tackles, but not so much about ACLs it seems.

It’s the guaranteed terror of front-on confrontation with kids twice your size rather than the remote chance of a knee injury.

It’s like the gun debate - gun owners would rather the concrete feeling of safety while walking down the street despite the increased (but still remote) statistical chance of being shot due to owning a weapon.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Can anyone give me a link to the game stats. Trying to find missed tackles.

mc.championdata.com

 

[hindy111]

mc.championdata.com

Didnt work

 

[Chipmunk]

Yes but they're all AFL aren't they? Isn't that the dick we're comparing to?

I'm sure the NRL would like it. But they aren't exactly in control. The clubs are far too powerful to allow something against their interest. The Broncos would (and do) surely resist a second Brisbane team, as would the Storm.

It's not an excuse, just a statement of fact. Hell, the players are even more powerful than the NRL. We don't have a draft because one single player challenged it. For whatever reason the fans don't have a problem with their clubs and players thumbing their nose at the NRL. We hate the NRL as an organisation. Meanwhile down here every merkin seems to love the AFL's governing body. It makes it easier for them to lead, instead of being dictated to by the clubs and players.

Well none of that is the AFL's fault and when I talk "AFL" or "NRL", I'm referring to the sport as a whole, not just each sports governing body.

 

[Bazal]

It’s the guaranteed terror of front-on confrontation with kids twice your size rather than the remote chance of a knee injury.

It’s like the gun debate - gun owners would rather the concrete feeling of safety while walking down the street despite the increased (but still remote) statistical chance of being shot due to owning a weapon.

It's actually nothing like that at all...lol

And anyway, that's my point. People are more afraid of a tackle than of a (reasonable, about 1 per squad per season in the ACT) chance of serious leg injury.

EDIT-Nationally, the rate of hospitalisation for all injuries in Aussie rules is almost double that of the rugby codes. 8.8% as opposed to 4.6%. So yes, my point stands. People are more afraid of the perception of a tackle than actual injury.

 

[Chipmunk]

the onus is on you to back up yours seeing you made the initial claim

Happy to back up my claims with more evidence than a photo involving John Grant.

Anyway, here's my evidence

http://www.nospam47.com/au/football...gue-soocer-football/dpim7r919oa6189ftqcou2jao

The NRL struck a new TV rights agreement earlier in 2016, however were heavily criticised for their handling of the negotiations.

Nevertheless, the competition will rake in $1.8 billion from 2018-2022, equating to an incredible $360 million per year over five years.

However, the AFL tops the list of earnings when it comes to rights deals, with a six year, $2.5 billion contract that will see $417 million per year brought in to the competition until 2022.

So the AFL gets $2.5 billion over 6 years ($417m per year) and the NRL gets $1.8 billion over 5 years ($360m per year),

Per game (including Origins and the GF), in the NRL it is $1.76 million a game. For the AFL (including GF) it is $2.01 million per game.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Didnt work

Did you throw a /nrl on the end FFS?

http://mc.championdata.com/nrl/

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It's actually nothing like that at all...lol

It totally is. In both cases merkins trot out "Well actually, the statistics show..." and completely miss what the statistics don't show.

And anyway, that's my point. People are more afraid of a tackle than of a (reasonable, about 1 per squad per season in the ACT) chance of serious leg injury.

EDIT-Nationally, the rate of hospitalisation for all injuries in Aussie rules is almost double that of the rugby codes. 8.8% as opposed to 4.6%. So yes, my point stands. People are more afraid of the perception of a tackle than actual injury.

Yes, merkins are scared of feeling scared. Being expected to tackle a bloke twice your size who is running straight at you is akin to being unarmed in a situation where others are tooled up. They are both situations where a person knows they will be powerless and unequal. A serious injury happens unexpectedly and is just the result of bad luck. Most people cope easily with the idea of bad luck, which is why we still drive cars, fly in planes, and send our kids to American high schools.