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Bazal

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Only a supernatural being could’ve had such enduring influence.

Just like all the other supernatural beings who had enduring influence over time, right?

His influence isn't even that great in the grand scheme of things. You just think it is because you grew up in a Christian-centric part of the world.
 

Bazal

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The Romans didn't invent Jesus, that's preposterous.

They did have a decent role to play in the bible we know today, however.

Some of the heretical gospels are much more interesting than the ones we commonly know, tbh.
 

Glenneel

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Ok. Then I am left scratching head what the hell BA was thinking not adressing this area. Kaysa and King are injury prone and not up to it.
There is a whole lot wrong with our pack that BA has never addressed. One can only hope a poor year will change his mindset. Our spine of Gutho, Moses and Norman is good but we're missing a decent dummy half. That needs to be fixed and along with two quality middle forwards and a big winger and we'll perform as a top 8 team capable of challenging for the title. Btw a revamp of our second row wouldn't go astray either.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Just like all the other supernatural beings who had enduring influence over time, right?
Some of them did, some didn't. The Abrahamic religion (of which Christianity is a part) has been central to the development of modern human society. Nowhere on Earth hasn't been shaped by contact with Christians, Muslims or Jews.
His influence isn't even that great in the grand scheme of things. You just think it is because you grew up in a Christian-centric part of the world.
See above. This isn't just about Christianity. It is about the monotheism that has dominated the majority of recorded history. If you're going to discuss this thoughtfully you need to unlearn the anti-Christian hot takes that flutter around the atheist echo chamber.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Agreed and now for his front row partner Boyd. We'd show RS what a fit front row looks like and can do. Boyd has regressed under RS and needs a change of clubs.
Their problem is you can't have Boyd and Paulo in the same pack under such limited interchange rules.
 

Bazal

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See above. This isn't just about Christianity. It is about the monotheism that has dominated the majority of recorded history. If you're going to discuss this thoughtfully you need to unlearn the anti-Christian hot takes that flutter around the atheist echo chamber.

Meaningless jargon, especially as I'm not an atheist. Try again.

You were talking about Joshua of Nazareth as an enduring, supernatural influence on the world. That's pretty squarely about Christianity.

Was Genghis Khan supernatural? Alexander the Great? Any of the Roman emperors who had such vast influence on humanity as we know it today? Plato? Aristotle? Pythagoras?

Or is it just the one that an ancient legend, written at a time where superstition was still the major way of explaining the world and perpetuated by powerful men in the intervening years, tells you is supernatural?

Then again, you've just said that monotheism has dominated the majority of recorded history, so you're not exactly speaking from a position of strength on the subject...
 

Poupou Escobar

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Meaningless jargon, especially as I'm not an atheist. Try again.

You were talking about Joshua of Nazareth as an enduring, supernatural influence on the world. That's pretty squarely about Christianity.
It was in response to a conspiracy theory about him, and in any case it certainly doesn't exclude the others.
Was Genghis Khan supernatural? Alexander the Great? Any of the Roman emperors who had such vast influence on humanity as we know it today? Plato? Aristotle? Pythagoras?
If they changed the way people live their lives thousands of years later then why not? The thing is that these guys either described the world as they saw it, or dominated people and fathered many offspring. None of them provided an example of how to live morally in the face of the overwhelming horror of human existence. They were all born into privilege, and their lives were dedicated to maintaining that privilege. They are the heroes of the powerful. The same type of people the Hebrews expected the Messiah to be.
Or is it just the one that an ancient legend, written at a time where superstition was still the major way of explaining the world and perpetuated by powerful men in the intervening years, tells you is supernatural?
Superstition is still a major way of explaining the world. The powerful are corrupt, victims are virtuous, etc etc. Nietzsche believed these ideas originated in Christianity - 'morality for slaves'. It is directly responsible for modern political correctness and social justice, both particularly Western ideas.
Then again, you've just said that monotheism has dominated the majority of recorded history, so you're not exactly speaking from a position of strength on the subject...
It absolutely has. The last bastion of polytheism is the impoverished shitshow of Hindustan. Everywhere else it was swept away by the religion of Abraham or its petulant child Communism.
 

Bazal

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It was in response to a conspiracy theory about him, and in any case it certainly doesn't exclude the others.

If they changed the way people live their lives thousands of years later then why not? The thing is that these guys either described the world as they saw it, or dominated people and fathered many offspring. None of them provided an example of how to live morally in the face of the overwhelming horror of human existence. They were all born into privilege, and their lives were dedicated to maintaining that privilege. They are the heroes of the powerful. The same type of people the Hebrews expected the Messiah to be.

Superstition is still a major way of explaining the world. The powerful are corrupt, victims are virtuous, etc etc. Nietzsche believed these ideas originated in Christianity - 'morality for slaves'. It is directly responsible for modern political correctness and social justice, both particularly Western ideas.

It absolutely has. The last bastion of polytheism is the impoverished shitshow of Hindustan. Everywhere else it was swept away by the religion of Abraham or its petulant child Communism.

You can ignore the lasting influences of guys like Alexander or the Roman Empire or the Khans as much as you like, but it doesn't make them any leass real. Their lasting influences on humanity are simply undeniable, as are those of the early philosphers and men of science I mentioned. Just because they didn't inspire a cult of power (and that's debatable in itself, tbh) doesn't make them any less influential. Tell yourself what you like, though. No skin off my nose, just don't spout influence as evidence of the supernatural.

You also seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the span of recorded history.

Sumerians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, the Chinese, the civilisations of the subcontinent and Africa....all polytheistic, and some existed over 3000 years before monotheism took hold. Judaism is pretty much the oldest major monotheistic religion and it's about 2500-3000 years old, the Sumerians started "recorded history' over 5000 years ago ffs.

The Egyptian Dynasties alone existed for over a thousand years longer than Judaism has from their beginning to their end. They were polytheists. When Judaism took off about 2500 years ago, the Romans and the Greeks were still largely polytheistic for another 750+ years.

But tell us all again how monotheism has "dominated the majority of recorded history"....lol
 

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