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Bazal

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...m/news-story/72d1a67e13bb374b0ab95c1514632057

Parramatta chairman Frank Donnelly admits the club may have a culture problem

Paul Crawley, The Daily Telegraph
5 minutes ago


It’s probably the strongest admission you will ever get from an NRL club chairman.

But Parramatta boss Max Donnelly has conceded: “I didn’t think culture was a problem but you have got to question it.”

On the day troubled forward Kenny Edwards is due to front court after allegedly doing a runner from police after being spotted driving while suspended, Donnelly opened up to The Daily Telegraph.

In a wideranging interview, Donnelly hit back at suggestions from Ray Hadley that Brad Arthur had lost the dressing room and addressed Jarryd Hayne’s future beyond this year.

“I certainly deny anything like the coach has lost the dressing room,” Donnelly said.

Asked specifically if he believed Arthur was the right man to lead the club long-term, Donnelly said: “At the moment I believe he is and he is contracted until 2019.”

Donnelly is the administrator who was brought in to clean up the Eels’ salary cap scandal mess.

But problems on and off the field continue to tear at the club’s reputation.

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And Edwards’ latest drama has only increased the heat on the coach, despite players like Hayne recently declaring talk about Arthur “losing the dressing room” was the inspiration behind their breakthrough win against Manly in round seven, after starting the season with six straight defeats.

While Edwards’ run-in with police occurred on April 19, Edwards didn’t inform the club that he was due to face court until last Friday night.

You only have to look at the success of their cash-strapped rivals the Wests Tigers to see how quickly a club can turn things around after years of underachieving, if the right people are appointed in the right positions.

While the Tigers don’t have near the rivers of gold Parramatta’s wealthy Leagues Club provides them, the Tigers have made a strategic choice under new chief executive Justin Pascoe and coach Ivan Cleary to base their recruitment strategy around character and players willing to buy into team culture ahead of talent and reputation.

The likes of Russell Packer and Benji Marshall are the perfect examples of the type of players now driving the Tigers’ culture.

With that put to Donnelly, he said: “I can’t argue with you but I don’t think there is the (culture) problem you are suggesting at Parramatta.

“There may be something in it. But (chief executive) Bernie (Gurr) runs a pretty good front office.”

Parramatta hold the longest premiership drought of all NRL clubs, having not won the title since 1986 under John Monie.

They also have the second biggest junior catchment in the NRL behind Penrith yet continually struggle to produce and retain local talent.

Their two best young talents, five-eighth Jaeman Salmon and back-rower Maraka Niukore, came from rival clubs.

Arthur has also been criticised for his recruitment and retention policy, dating back to Anthony Watmough and Kieran Foran, deals that ended in disaster.

But Donnelly denied recruitment was a problem.

“Mitch Moses was a great signing and he is one of the more recent ones,” Donnelly said.

“Nathan Brown has had his contract extended.

“Everyone is going to pick up on Jarryd Hayne but the problems of the club aren’t Jarryd Hayne’s fault. He hasn’t been playing.

“A lot of people questioned (the signing) of Jarryd Hayne. We are paying Hayne $500,000. The average wage is $300,000. We are not paying a premium for a player of his quality.

“The problem has got nothing to do with Jarryd.”

Asked if Hayne would be re-signed for next year, Donnelly added: “You’d want to see him do something between now and the end of the year.

“I am not sure what he wants to do. But the problem is not Jarryd’s fault.

“It is difficult (the current situation) but the club has to deal with it. It is just as much my problem as it is Bernie’s and as it is Brad’s.

“It is not for the want of effort. But, yes, you have bad luck and you have all these things … but we are not winning games.”

Donnelly is planning to step down from his position at the end of this year but not before he has the club on the path to sustained success.

“I am not here for the long term but I want to leave it so it is financially sound,” he said.

“The coach is contracted until the end of 2019 and has a good roster that will be built on.”

Given Parramatta’s wealth and huge nursery, the Eels should be a consistent NRL powerhouse.

“True. But I would like to think that the curb will be turning (at Parramatta) helped by a good Leagues Club and a lot of good things happening at the Leagues Club and a new stadium (that is being built),” Donnelly said.

“I look at the big picture for Parramatta.

“Look, the fans sit there and say ‘we want to win a comp’. I get that. But I am a realist. I never promise anything to anyone.

“All I can try and promise the fans is that I am going to leave that club in a position to be very powerful. Financially powerful.”

Donnelly would not comment specifically on Edwards’ future, but he would face having his contract terminated if he is found guilty.

Having been previously sacked by Manly and St George Illawarra for off-field incidents, Edwards was also at the centre of two other scandals while at Parramatta.

In 2015 Edwards was suspended for nine months for providing a urine sample on behalf of teammate Kaysa Pitchard.

And he was also suspended for the first seven games last year and fined $60,000 after a domestic violence incident.

Is Frank related to Max??? NEPOTISM!!
 

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...m/news-story/72d1a67e13bb374b0ab95c1514632057

Parramatta chairman Frank Donnelly admits the club may have a culture problem

Paul Crawley, The Daily Telegraph
5 minutes ago


It’s probably the strongest admission you will ever get from an NRL club chairman.

But Parramatta boss Max Donnelly has conceded: “I didn’t think culture was a problem but you have got to question it.”

On the day troubled forward Kenny Edwards is due to front court after allegedly doing a runner from police after being spotted driving while suspended, Donnelly opened up to The Daily Telegraph.

In a wideranging interview, Donnelly hit back at suggestions from Ray Hadley that Brad Arthur had lost the dressing room and addressed Jarryd Hayne’s future beyond this year.

“I certainly deny anything like the coach has lost the dressing room,” Donnelly said.

Asked specifically if he believed Arthur was the right man to lead the club long-term, Donnelly said: “At the moment I believe he is and he is contracted until 2019.”

Donnelly is the administrator who was brought in to clean up the Eels’ salary cap scandal mess.

But problems on and off the field continue to tear at the club’s reputation.

286b9110641bfb690190cab0b84ce08f

And Edwards’ latest drama has only increased the heat on the coach, despite players like Hayne recently declaring talk about Arthur “losing the dressing room” was the inspiration behind their breakthrough win against Manly in round seven, after starting the season with six straight defeats.

While Edwards’ run-in with police occurred on April 19, Edwards didn’t inform the club that he was due to face court until last Friday night.

You only have to look at the success of their cash-strapped rivals the Wests Tigers to see how quickly a club can turn things around after years of underachieving, if the right people are appointed in the right positions.

While the Tigers don’t have near the rivers of gold Parramatta’s wealthy Leagues Club provides them, the Tigers have made a strategic choice under new chief executive Justin Pascoe and coach Ivan Cleary to base their recruitment strategy around character and players willing to buy into team culture ahead of talent and reputation.

The likes of Russell Packer and Benji Marshall are the perfect examples of the type of players now driving the Tigers’ culture.

With that put to Donnelly, he said: “I can’t argue with you but I don’t think there is the (culture) problem you are suggesting at Parramatta.

“There may be something in it. But (chief executive) Bernie (Gurr) runs a pretty good front office.”

Parramatta hold the longest premiership drought of all NRL clubs, having not won the title since 1986 under John Monie.

They also have the second biggest junior catchment in the NRL behind Penrith yet continually struggle to produce and retain local talent.

Their two best young talents, five-eighth Jaeman Salmon and back-rower Maraka Niukore, came from rival clubs.

Arthur has also been criticised for his recruitment and retention policy, dating back to Anthony Watmough and Kieran Foran, deals that ended in disaster.

But Donnelly denied recruitment was a problem.

“Mitch Moses was a great signing and he is one of the more recent ones,” Donnelly said.

“Nathan Brown has had his contract extended.

“Everyone is going to pick up on Jarryd Hayne but the problems of the club aren’t Jarryd Hayne’s fault. He hasn’t been playing.

“A lot of people questioned (the signing) of Jarryd Hayne. We are paying Hayne $500,000. The average wage is $300,000. We are not paying a premium for a player of his quality.

“The problem has got nothing to do with Jarryd.”

Asked if Hayne would be re-signed for next year, Donnelly added: “You’d want to see him do something between now and the end of the year.

“I am not sure what he wants to do. But the problem is not Jarryd’s fault.

“It is difficult (the current situation) but the club has to deal with it. It is just as much my problem as it is Bernie’s and as it is Brad’s.

“It is not for the want of effort. But, yes, you have bad luck and you have all these things … but we are not winning games.”

Donnelly is planning to step down from his position at the end of this year but not before he has the club on the path to sustained success.

“I am not here for the long term but I want to leave it so it is financially sound,” he said.

“The coach is contracted until the end of 2019 and has a good roster that will be built on.”

Given Parramatta’s wealth and huge nursery, the Eels should be a consistent NRL powerhouse.

“True. But I would like to think that the curb will be turning (at Parramatta) helped by a good Leagues Club and a lot of good things happening at the Leagues Club and a new stadium (that is being built),” Donnelly said.

“I look at the big picture for Parramatta.

“Look, the fans sit there and say ‘we want to win a comp’. I get that. But I am a realist. I never promise anything to anyone.

“All I can try and promise the fans is that I am going to leave that club in a position to be very powerful. Financially powerful.”

Donnelly would not comment specifically on Edwards’ future, but he would face having his contract terminated if he is found guilty.

Having been previously sacked by Manly and St George Illawarra for off-field incidents, Edwards was also at the centre of two other scandals while at Parramatta.

In 2015 Edwards was suspended for nine months for providing a urine sample on behalf of teammate Kaysa Pitchard.

And he was also suspended for the first seven games last year and fined $60,000 after a domestic violence incident.
f**ken Frank Donnelly?
 

hindy111

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If he's that talented he'll be a lot closer than three years.

Here's the current NRL hookers and the year they made their NRL debut, followed by the year they first played 20+ NRL games:

McInnes (20, 23)
Wallace (20 (in the halves), 23 (also in the halves))
Katoa (20, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
Egan (21, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
Luke (20, 21)
Roache (20, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
Tevaga (21, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
Smith, C (19 (in the halves), 20)
Smith, B (21, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
Cook (22, 26)
Farah (19, 21)
Friend (18, 19)
Baptiste (20, 25)
Radley (19, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
Godinet (24, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
Liddle (20, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
McIlwrick (21, 26)
Brailey (21, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
Segeyaro (22, 24)
McCullough (18, 19)
Griffin (22, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
Levi (20, 22)
Hodgson (20, 21 (both years in the UK))
Havili (21, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
Koroisau (22, 25)
Lichaa (21, 22)
Marshall-King (22, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
Granville (24, 26)
Peats (21, 21)
Rein (21, 22)
Pritchard (19, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)
King (19, hasn't yet played 20+ NRL games in a season)

Schneider turns 19 next year.

What month does he turn 19? Most seem to debut around 21ylds. So if 18yld this year he is 2 -3yrs away pending I guess on development and if born end of year.
 

hindy111

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Mahoney is listed at 180cm, 86kg...as a 20 year old

Granville is 172cm, 85kg
Brailey is 179cm, 87kg
Segeyaro is 170cm, 86kg
Cook is 178cm, 86kg

Just the first few random "smaller" hookers that came to mind.

Mahoney will be sweet.

Few posters put pics up and he looked closer to 170cms
 
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Katoa is a regular off bench. Egan has size and is a lot bigger then Mahoney and talked about as the next big thing.

Wayde Egan is something special in my opinion. But i cant see Panthers letting him go. Although his time in Nrl is very limited & yet proven.
Danny Levi would be another option & he is currently not happy in Newcastle.

Why would we sign a future maybe when we already have 3 future maybes already at the club? Out of the 3 you named, I reckon Wallace would be the one we most likely sign

To be honest, I totally agree. Young Egan is a great player but we will see how he goes in the Nrl.
So your statement makes 100% sense. Why sign an unknown with potential when we already have a few at the club.

We do have Kaysa, Mahoney and Schneider. The last seems to be most talented but perhaps 3yrs away from first grade.

Photos I seen of Mahoney makes me think Kaysa has more potential based on size. Obscene and forty 20 would have a better opinion to go off.

Mahoney and Schneider are 2 young players. Mahoney is 20yo and Schneider is 18yo. I think Schneider is a few years off with his age. But if he continues to develop he is one to keep an eye on.
Mahoney is a completelly different hooker to Schneider where i think they could compliment each other. Im not sure if anyone else has herd. But whispers are going around that Berty & Titans are showing some interests with Mahoney. Could be interesting seeing his from QLD.
It might be incorrect info, You know what rumours are like.
Im also hearing the Eels are chasing Knights u20s player 18yo Tex Hoy, Fullback / 5/8
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...895820828672&usg=AOvVaw3Zok8mrzdmj1PYjc8TnWHd
 
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Mahoney is listed at 180cm, 86kg...as a 20 year old

Granville is 172cm, 85kg
Brailey is 179cm, 87kg
Segeyaro is 170cm, 86kg
Cook is 178cm, 86kg

Just the first few random "smaller" hookers that came to mind.

Mahoney will be sweet.

I can tell you. Although the Parra website states Mahoney is 180cm tall he is not. he would be 172-174cm tall. Attached is a picture with Mahoney with Dressler. Dressler is around 186cm. As you can clearly see Mahoney is way below 180cm tall
 

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I can tell you. Although the Parra website states Mahoney is 180cm tall he is not. he would be 172-174cm tall. Attached is a picture with Mahoney with Dressler. Dressler is around 186cm. As you can clearly see Mahoney is way below 180cm tall

Maybe so, I dunno.

Certainly not small though, he's much more nuggety than I thought based on that shot.

Point stand anyway, even if he's not 180cm he's certainly not problematically smaller than a guy like Segeyaro
 

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Did you get some in your mouth?

No but he did

But seriously if he's say 174cm he needs to hit the weights and become thickly set like a Segyaro or Granville. Kays is probably around the same height but gets continually bashed at his weight.
 
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