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hindy111

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You are stating opinion not facts. TCT are coping it and merkins are accusing them of posting fantasy and lies. Not true. It just seems that because they are not negative 24/7 like some on here, then they are a target.

As I said, back it up or pull your heads in.

Well I will tone it down, I will say they just get a little excited. I stated my opinioin that in 2017 we had a lot of luck in close games winning I think 7/8 one score games. I was called negative. I was just stating facts from scorelines and way games unfolded. I have brought it up enough times, ut good sides in top 4 dont get flogged by the team running last who hadn't registered an away win. Red flags went off.

I look at the juniors we are bringing in. Its good to see but go look at who the Broncos unearthed this season.
Fafita,Haas,TPJ, Isaako....
Even the dogs unearthed some good ones. And Panthers well they churn them out on a weekly basis.

I see our guys like Twal, Keppie,Ailoi leave. People will compare them to average nrl players. The point is they are eels juniors and have heart and a link to club.This is how you build a team. Not Vaves and Matagi....Journey men. Same mistakes just getting repeated. Lets hope we can unearth 3 or 4 not NRL players but elite NRL players. Guys in the top 30% Guys who may not make origin but atleast are close.
 

Gary Gutful

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I am stating an opinion on what club needs and why I think we are failing. This year was nothing short of a disaster. Atrocious. 5 win with this squad. So guys like me or Ram get called muppets and deathriders. We just express ourself a little differently
We are a team of individuals and individuals wont create a miracle. There is no team. Just men collecting pay cheques. More experienced guys can see the same mistakes repeating. We lack hunger and desire due to the type of characters BA put together. Nothing wrong with their individual skill level If only we can unlock these guys spirits and turn them into hungry wild beasts.
I don’t disagree with anything you posted there. The club is terrible at the moment. F**ken terrible.

Personally I think some people such as yourself and Ram try and project yourselves as geniuses when clearly you aren’t.

Also, there is a very strong tendency to talk things up with the benefit of hindsight (which those that are managing the issues don’t get to do). Everyone can look like a genius with hindsight and occasionally I like to remind you of that.

It would be pretty boring if we all just agreed with you and told you that you were brilliant. We’d also be lying to you, but more importantly, lying to ourselves.

No hard feelings and just a bit of banter at the end of the day.
 

Matty Bhoy

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Just quickly, there’s nothing revolutionary about running mechanics. My suburban level footy club was doing it 12 years ago. There wouldn’t be too many NRL clubs that haven’t done it at some point during an off season.
 

Joshuatheeel

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Well here are comments from TCT from their training reports (from the off-season) on the AFL dude, it doesnt sound like TCT are blowing their load over him, it appears to be more about what is happening at training:

Day one:

“The players are becoming well-acquainted with Lachlan Wilmot. The recently appointed Head of Athletic Performance is certainly making his presence felt and the Eels are heading into new territory with his expertise.”

Lachlan Wilmot

Recruiting a Head of Athletic Performance from the AFL was bound to result in a different approach to match conditioning. That’s already evident in week one of the pre-season.

However, the differences aren’t limited to purely conditioning. To my layman’s eye, there appears to be an emphasis on body positioning and technique in running. It’s my understanding that this can lessen the likelihood of particular leg and back problems – though I’d like to speak with Lachlan to clarify this.

Another observation of Wilmot is that he appears to have a philosophy of personal excellence and team responsibility. There was a call for the players to strive for their best and provide encouragement for their team mates.

It will be interesting to observe more of the conditioning work throughout the pre-season and to then note how that changes throughout the season.“

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2017/11/10/eels-pre-season-training-november-10-2017-oh-the-humanity/

“The squad were on the running track as Lachlan Wilmot led a running mechanics drill. The Eels are adopting a combination of technique and just damn hard work with their conditioning. There was no stretching out in this session. It was all about athletic technique.”

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2017...raining-november-14-2017-k-man-leads-the-way/

“After the warm up, the field work began with running mechanics. Static body and leg positioning kicked things off, then the hurdles were in use to get the high leg lift working. ”

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2017...r-17-2017-this-is-not-a-drill-actually-it-is/

“Lachlan Wilmot and his team led the first half of the session on the track, taking the players through their running mechanics. It’s interesting to watch the processes used to build up core strength, acceleration, and lateral speed. Like any good teacher, Lachlan explains what will be done and why, followed by demonstration and practice. He and other Athletic Performance staff – Nathan and Josh – then provided individual encouragement or fine tuning as the players went through their paces.

I found it fascinating to listen to the instruction that accompanied the drills as Lachlan explained how the drill would help them to achieve the desired outcomes. Watching the squad going through their paces, it occurred to me that the older players would require a strong element of untraining. Nonetheless, there appears to be a tremendous buy-in, as everyone looked to be embracing and even enjoying the drills.”

“I had the opportunity to speak briefly with new staff members Lachlan, Nathan, Josh (Athletic Performance) and Tahleya (Sports Science). With new staff, change is introduced and the squad are embracing the difference.

With the challenge of not only moving into a different code, but creating that balance between tough conditioning and lighter sessions during a pre-season, Lachlan Wilmot is both confident and enthusiastic about his role and the team he’s joined.”


https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2017/11/21/eels-pre-season-training-november-21-2017-its-the-vibe/

“In recent weeks, I’ve been fortunate enough to get some feedback from Lachlan Wilmot about the need to balance heavier conditioning days with lighter ones. The players learn about that balance as part of their preparation. You want them to work hard, to push themselves, and to be highly conditioned athletes who can perform under fatigue. However, you also want the process to involve recovery and re-generation for future effort. It’s fascinating to watch the scientific approach this pre-season.”

“The heavier conditioning component was controlled by Lachlan and the Athletic Performance staff. Shuttle runs over varying distances followed on from the warm ups, stretches and reminders about the mechanics of their running. This conditioning then transitioned into the game component and the players alternated between these for the duration of their time on the field.”

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2017...n-training-november-28-2017-stop-mannah-time/

“After the stretches and warm ups, Lachlan Wilmot had the players maintaining their running form over the small hurdles. It’s interesting to observe the change in running style with certain players. Undoubtedly there are individuals who have adapted faster than others, and to my eye, the differences seemed exaggerated over the hurdle”

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2017...ing-november-30-2017-hayne-clickbait-edition/

“The vision seen in Lachlan Wilmot’s Sports Science video here gives you an idea of what the squad were doing. The drill is designed to have the players capable of producing force when driving off either leg, without having to think about it.”

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2017...ning-december-4-2017-getting-ready-for-alice/


The mechanics work has included the use of rubber bands for use by individuals and pairs.

When the larger bands are used by pairs, it prevents the lead runner from striding out too much and helps them to focus on their action.”

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2017/12/13/eels-pre-season-training-december-12-2017-snap-to-it/


With Monday out of the way it was back to business for Tuesday’s final workout. With the usual structure of split groups over two hours, I’ll bypass my usual description of the drills; rather I will provide the purpose behind them.

Station 1 – Running Track with Lachlan Wilmot

Achieving strength and power in unexpected circumstances is the principal behind today’s drills. Most players can drive into their plays with maximum power in “ideal circumstances”. The problem is that football presents a multitude of circumstances that sit outside the ideal. Attackers will step you, you have turn and chase moments, the ball could be popped out to you when you least expect it. Obviously there’s an exhaustive list that any fan could list.

The key then is to train the body to respond with power even when you’re on the wrong leg, when your body is twisted or when you have little time to react. It’s also important for those efforts to be more sustained and to make them second nature.

In doing so, not only are the players efforts maximised, but the risk of injury is also reduced. Ultimately, it’s all about getting the best from your stars and keeping them on the paddock.

Hence we see players carrying weights above their heads, stepping over mini hurdles etc. The players are put into unusual positions in their movements which trains their body to respond to the unexpected.

(Thanks to Lachlan for his run down. This is my attempt to paraphrase his explanation 24 hours later. My apologies to him if I’ve done him an injustice.)

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2017...ing-december-19-2017-merry-christmas-edition/

“Lachlan Wilmot and his staff continued their specialised training with the largest groups that they’ve worked with this year. Some of the players had their mechanics modified according to their stage of rehabilitation.

In addition to the usual equipment, larger hurdles were introduced. The players were rhythmically stepping over the hurdles in a drill which was interesting to observe.

I didn’t speak to Lachlan about the purpose of this drill, so instead I’ll offer my observations of the players.

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018...-january-4-2018-thursday-tuesday-minus-hills/

A stack of conditioning was undertaken throughout the session. You can’t really call it a break between the opposed drills when you spend that time with Lachlan Wilmot. The players were hitting the tackle bags and completing shuttle runs in demanding conditions.

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018/01/06/eels-pre-season-training-january-5-2018-getting-serious/
 

Twizzle

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Just quickly, there’s nothing revolutionary about running mechanics. My suburban level footy club was doing it 12 years ago. There wouldn’t be too many NRL clubs that haven’t done it at some point during an off season.

all well and good but did they have mini trampolines as well ?
 

Joshuatheeel

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But wait here is more:

“After the warm ups, stretching and core strength work with Lachlan Wimot, the squad launched into a couple of kilometres of shuttle runs. ”

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018...-training-january-8-2018-big-blokes-bring-it/

“In addition to the regular core strength stretches and runs, there were fun games and highly coordinated sprint sequences. Watching the range of drills employed by Lachlan Wilmot, and how synchronised the squad were in their execution, really emphasised the buy-in of the players.”

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018...ry-11-2018-greater-than-the-sum-of-its-parts/

Next up, Lachlan and Nathan had the players move into groups of 4 completing a relay involving tackle bags and shuttle runs. With this drill taking place immediately in front of our vantage point, the impact of the tackle bag hits and the strain on the lungs was most evident.

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018/01/15/eels-pre-season-training-january-15-2018-staking-claims/

I suspect that Danny has already benefitted from his work with Lachlan Wilmot. There appears to be a difference in his stride, and he seems to be a stronger conveyance. Whilst it’s possible that it’s too early to make such a call, there’s no doubting that Alvaro is making all posts a winner.

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018...anuary-18-2018-faster-than-a-speeding-bullet/

With Lachlan and his staff taking the players for the initial part of the session, we again saw the technical balance, stretch and movement warm-ups. It’s interesting to observe the smooth transitioning through the drills now that the players have become more proficient in the movements.

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018/01/29/eels-pre-season-training-january-29-2018-back-home/

Lachlan and Nathan took the squad through a session that focussed on lateral movement and explosiveness.

I’ve previously detailed the use of hurdles and weighted balls. With the increase in player mastery, some of these drills are now combining into sequenced activities. From my perspective, I can see improvement in coordination and strength amongst the squad.

The player proficiency in transitioning through the drills, as reported on yesterday, was again in evidence. It’s an ever developing platform from which their skills are growing.”




The running mechanics seemed to be focussing on the ability to generate power when driving off either leg. (I make this assumption though I didn’t have the opportunity to check.)

As per previous weeks, there was a discernible improvement in the squad’s transition through their mechanics drills.

When these drills were first introduced, the varying degrees of coordination within the group was obvious. This disparity is now less evident.

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018...-training-february-5-2018-the-captains-knock/

Lachlan Wilmot and his staff have been arguably the best signatures for the Eels this year. Without question, the players are in superb physical condition, and many appear to have changed their body shape. This is especially true of the forwards, and props like Danny Alvaro and Tim Mannah have been among the leaders in endurance work.

The sports science aspect aims to maximise performance across the entire season, rather than just having them as fit as they can be to kick-start the year.

It also involves developing core strengths and balance for moments in the game when players are in a less than ideal position to respond with power. The technical aspects and associated drills also have an element of “pre-habilitation” – lessening the likelihood of particular injuries.

Balancing the physical workload across each day, and across the week is of paramount importance. Planning the workload for the season proper then becomes significant to ensure than performance across the year remains high. The hills at Lake Gillawarna were a weekly feature through the early part of the pre-season, but they were balanced with lighter days.

Rugby league is a demanding sport and players have to respond to the physical and psychological challenges of a long season – firstly to qualify for finals, then to be in their best condition during the big games. Even during this pre-season, the conditioning work changed in February as the season opener became closer.

I have the utmost confidence that the supporters will witness an extremely fit and energised Eels team in 2018.“

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018/02/24/eels-pre-season-report-card-2018/


Well out of the few thousand words they wrote the last been above us is really the only time they give the AFL credit and it was an opinion piece. The rest was just reporting I reckon.
 

hindy111

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But wait here is more:

“After the warm ups, stretching and core strength work with Lachlan Wimot, the squad launched into a couple of kilometres of shuttle runs. ”

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018...-training-january-8-2018-big-blokes-bring-it/

“In addition to the regular core strength stretches and runs, there were fun games and highly coordinated sprint sequences. Watching the range of drills employed by Lachlan Wilmot, and how synchronised the squad were in their execution, really emphasised the buy-in of the players.”

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018...ry-11-2018-greater-than-the-sum-of-its-parts/

Next up, Lachlan and Nathan had the players move into groups of 4 completing a relay involving tackle bags and shuttle runs. With this drill taking place immediately in front of our vantage point, the impact of the tackle bag hits and the strain on the lungs was most evident.

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018/01/15/eels-pre-season-training-january-15-2018-staking-claims/

I suspect that Danny has already benefitted from his work with Lachlan Wilmot. There appears to be a difference in his stride, and he seems to be a stronger conveyance. Whilst it’s possible that it’s too early to make such a call, there’s no doubting that Alvaro is making all posts a winner.

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018...anuary-18-2018-faster-than-a-speeding-bullet/

With Lachlan and his staff taking the players for the initial part of the session, we again saw the technical balance, stretch and movement warm-ups. It’s interesting to observe the smooth transitioning through the drills now that the players have become more proficient in the movements.

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018/01/29/eels-pre-season-training-january-29-2018-back-home/

Lachlan and Nathan took the squad through a session that focussed on lateral movement and explosiveness.

I’ve previously detailed the use of hurdles and weighted balls. With the increase in player mastery, some of these drills are now combining into sequenced activities. From my perspective, I can see improvement in coordination and strength amongst the squad.

The player proficiency in transitioning through the drills, as reported on yesterday, was again in evidence. It’s an ever developing platform from which their skills are growing.”




The running mechanics seemed to be focussing on the ability to generate power when driving off either leg. (I make this assumption though I didn’t have the opportunity to check.)

As per previous weeks, there was a discernible improvement in the squad’s transition through their mechanics drills.

When these drills were first introduced, the varying degrees of coordination within the group was obvious. This disparity is now less evident.

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018...-training-february-5-2018-the-captains-knock/

Lachlan Wilmot and his staff have been arguably the best signatures for the Eels this year. Without question, the players are in superb physical condition, and many appear to have changed their body shape. This is especially true of the forwards, and props like Danny Alvaro and Tim Mannah have been among the leaders in endurance work.

The sports science aspect aims to maximise performance across the entire season, rather than just having them as fit as they can be to kick-start the year.

It also involves developing core strengths and balance for moments in the game when players are in a less than ideal position to respond with power. The technical aspects and associated drills also have an element of “pre-habilitation” – lessening the likelihood of particular injuries.

Balancing the physical workload across each day, and across the week is of paramount importance. Planning the workload for the season proper then becomes significant to ensure than performance across the year remains high. The hills at Lake Gillawarna were a weekly feature through the early part of the pre-season, but they were balanced with lighter days.

Rugby league is a demanding sport and players have to respond to the physical and psychological challenges of a long season – firstly to qualify for finals, then to be in their best condition during the big games. Even during this pre-season, the conditioning work changed in February as the season opener became closer.

I have the utmost confidence that the supporters will witness an extremely fit and energised Eels team in 2018.“

https://thecumberlandthrow.com/2018/02/24/eels-pre-season-report-card-2018/


Well out of the few thousand words they wrote the last been above us is really the only time they give the AFL credit and it was an opinion piece. The rest was just reporting I reckon.

I am not reading all of that
 

Joshuatheeel

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Well I will tone it down, I will say they just get a little excited. I stated my opinioin that in 2017 we had a lot of luck in close games winning I think 7/8 one score games. I was called negative. I was just stating facts from scorelines and way games unfolded. I have brought it up enough times, ut good sides in top 4 dont get flogged by the team running last who hadn't registered an away win. Red flags went off.

I look at the juniors we are bringing in. Its good to see but go look at who the Broncos unearthed this season.
Fafita,Haas,TPJ, Isaako....
Even the dogs unearthed some good ones. And Panthers well they churn them out on a weekly basis.

I see our guys like Twal, Keppie,Ailoi leave. People will compare them to average nrl players. The point is they are eels juniors and have heart and a link to club.This is how you build a team. Not Vaves and Matagi....Journey men. Same mistakes just getting repeated. Lets hope we can unearth 3 or 4 not NRL players but elite NRL players. Guys in the top 30% Guys who may not make origin but atleast are close.


BTW you do realise Keppie played most of his juniors with Narellan which is tigers junior area and Josh Aloiai is from NZ (happy to be corrected if I wrong) so is a warriors junior, so neither were “parramatta” juniors!!
 

Stagger eel

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Thats pretty much how most things roll around here
- read a few sentences
- blow it out of proportion
- everyone else jumps onboard
- widespread outrage and ridicule
- repeat

It goes on in another places too...

-they’re brain capacity only allows them to read a few sentences
- 1 of them calls for the coach to be beaten in public and in some cases members of his family
- every dope jumps on board
- they pull out the chains, pitchforks and clubs
- repeat
 

hindy111

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BTW you do realise Keppie played most of his juniors with Narellan which is tigers junior area and Josh Aloiai is from NZ (happy to be corrected if I wrong) so is a warriors junior, so neither were “parramatta” juniors!!

I tend to count when a guy is in 20s. The whole 16yld etc is irrelevant to me.
Sure Mahoney was a dogs junior however we took the chance to develop him further. Same as Salmon....
Keppie has been groomed by the eels and is ow getting to the ready for first grade stage. Like Twal and Alioi. Thats the point you do not want to lose them as a lot of hard works been put in to get them to that point.

Losing them at 16 to me isnt a huge deal. They are 4 or 5 yrs away.
 

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