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Glenneel

Bench
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But, to cover our bases he could do with a good working over before he leaves. We don't need him scoring five tries against us when he first plays against us. How embarrassing would that be?
Well what do you expect when we let a junior with his speed and skill go because he has been mismanaged by BA, or more realistically hampered by our poor tactics.

If he doesn't succeed at another club, in the Dufty mould, then I'm a terrible judge of footballing talent. I'll be a deadest shame to let him go.

Next year Hayne already pencilled in as fullback, imo he should be centre alongside Gutho, with French at fb. We'll have a few more forwards with offloads next year which will help our attack, unless somehow they lose it, which seems to happen under BA.
 

Glenneel

Bench
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I think we were getting away with murder in the play the balls last year. So we went on a bit of a run and had more than our fair share of wins, but a lot of them were coin toss results. The halves weren't great. And the refereeing in 2019 will probably resemble 2018 more than 2017, so it's no wonder we're looking to offload a half, along with the other changes.
In 2017 our injury toll was less than our normal 28-30+, think around 25. That helped us plus a few players over-achieved, Smith and Gutho (until injured) for example. Plus the halves played well together, not sure what happened this year with them, but Moses was mostly terrible. But mostly all the forwards seemed out of form, maybe they played like AFL players rather than NRL, lets blame the AFL guy!
 

TheRam

Coach
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Billy deserved to get off from that shoulder charge. I'm no Slater fan, but to be suspended for that type of tackle and miss out on a GF would of been ridiculous. The shoulder charge should be banned, yeah sure I agree. But common sense should also come into it, but unfortunately the NRL has almost always shown that it has very little of that over the years.

That hard and inflexible rule was always going to become an issue down the track. In a game like RL where there are so many variables happening by the second in the most full on footy code on the planet there should always be a way to make sure the penalty fits the crime.

That tackle did not deserve for anyone to miss a Grand Final. Therefore it was a badly worded rule and deserved what it got. Imagine if we increased the penalty for being on your mobile phone while driving from a fine to a minimum 1 year jail sentence with no option for leniency. Sure we can mostly all agree that no one should be on their phones while driving and the potential for something to go catastrophically wrong is increased substantially, but I also think that most would agree that the punishment is way to harsh and does not represent the needs of the people and ultimately is not good for society as a whole.

Sure we need to get the shoulder charge out of the game, but there will always be moments in games that they are either inevitable due to the very nature of the sport being so fast and players having to bracing themselves for the collision as instinctual self preservation kicks in. Or as in Slater's case when a player has very little time and has a monumental tackle to make and not many options if any, other then bracing himself for a shoulder charge, to stop a certain try.

In those sort of instances, players are not trying to put on the big hit to make a statement or anything like that, it is more of a reflex or last chance saloon type of tackle. That is not the type of tackle that a player should be robbed from playing in a major game like a GF. In fact that was a great covering tackle that was a major highlight of the game and showed the desperation of both players. A great triumph and failure moment in the game. Why would any organisation actively make rules that would take that out of their game or potentially ban their major stars and attractions from their biggest games?

Only in the NRL. But thankfully, they had a 3rd string putz representing the NRL and arguing their case and as usual the club/clubs ran rings all over them and Billy the champion player that millions love or hate will be on stage for his last ever big rumble.

Lets hope the NRL over the summer gets the wording right on this rule and it reflects more of what is good for both the players in protecting them from injury and from themselves when they get it wrong without harm or malice.
 

hindy111

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Well what do you expect when we let a junior with his speed and skill go because he has been mismanaged by BA, or more realistically hampered by our poor tactics.

If he doesn't succeed at another club, in the Dufty mould, then I'm a terrible judge of footballing talent. I'll be a deadest shame to let him go.

Next year Hayne already pencilled in as fullback, imo he should be centre alongside Gutho, with French at fb. We'll have a few more forwards with offloads next year which will help our attack, unless somehow they lose it, which seems to happen under BA.

Dufty hits harder in collision then French.
French pussyfoots to the line and concedes in tackle by falling before trying to run through the line.
 

hindy111

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Billy deserved to get off from that shoulder charge. I'm no Slater fan, but to be suspended for that type of tackle and miss out on a GF would of been ridiculous. The shoulder charge should be banned, yeah sure I agree. But common sense should also come into it, but unfortunately the NRL has almost always shown that it has very little of that over the years.

That hard and inflexible rule was always going to become an issue down the track. In a game like RL where there are so many variables happening by the second in the most full on footy code on the planet there should always be a way to make sure the penalty fits the crime.

That tackle did not deserve for anyone to miss a Grand Final. Therefore it was a badly worded rule and deserved what it got. Imagine if we increased the penalty for being on your mobile phone while driving from a fine to a minimum 1 year jail sentence with no option for leniency. Sure we can mostly all agree that no one should be on their phones while driving and the potential for something to go catastrophically wrong is increased substantially, but I also think that most would agree that the punishment is way to harsh and does not represent the needs of the people and ultimately is not good for society as a whole.

Sure we need to get the shoulder charge out of the game, but there will always be moments in games that they are either inevitable due to the very nature of the sport being so fast and players having to bracing themselves for the collision as instinctual self preservation kicks in. Or as in Slater's case when a player has very little time and has a monumental tackle to make and not many options if any, other then bracing himself for a shoulder charge, to stop a certain try.

In those sort of instances, players are not trying to put on the big hit to make a statement or anything like that, it is more of a reflex or last chance saloon type of tackle. That is not the type of tackle that a player should be robbed from playing in a major game like a GF. In fact that was a great covering tackle that was a major highlight of the game and showed the desperation of both players. A great triumph and failure moment in the game. Why would any organisation actively make rules that would take that out of their game or potentially ban their major stars and attractions from their biggest games?

Only in the NRL. But thankfully, they had a 3rd string putz representing the NRL and arguing their case and as usual the club/clubs ran rings all over them and Billy the champion player that millions love or hate will be on stage for his last ever big rumble.

Lets hope the NRL over the summer gets the wording right on this rule and it reflects more of what is good for both the players in protecting them from injury and from themselves when they get it wrong without harm or malice.

Couldn't of said it better myself.
Excellent
 

Bolgeel

Juniors
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278
Billy deserved to get off from that shoulder charge. I'm no Slater fan, but to be suspended for that type of tackle and miss out on a GF would of been ridiculous. The shoulder charge should be banned, yeah sure I agree. But common sense should also come into it, but unfortunately the NRL has almost always shown that it has very little of that over the years.

That hard and inflexible rule was always going to become an issue down the track. In a game like RL where there are so many variables happening by the second in the most full on footy code on the planet there should always be a way to make sure the penalty fits the crime.

That tackle did not deserve for anyone to miss a Grand Final. Therefore it was a badly worded rule and deserved what it got. Imagine if we increased the penalty for being on your mobile phone while driving from a fine to a minimum 1 year jail sentence with no option for leniency. Sure we can mostly all agree that no one should be on their phones while driving and the potential for something to go catastrophically wrong is increased substantially, but I also think that most would agree that the punishment is way to harsh and does not represent the needs of the people and ultimately is not good for society as a whole.

Sure we need to get the shoulder charge out of the game, but there will always be moments in games that they are either inevitable due to the very nature of the sport being so fast and players having to bracing themselves for the collision as instinctual self preservation kicks in. Or as in Slater's case when a player has very little time and has a monumental tackle to make and not many options if any, other then bracing himself for a shoulder charge, to stop a certain try.

In those sort of instances, players are not trying to put on the big hit to make a statement or anything like that, it is more of a reflex or last chance saloon type of tackle. That is not the type of tackle that a player should be robbed from playing in a major game like a GF. In fact that was a great covering tackle that was a major highlight of the game and showed the desperation of both players. A great triumph and failure moment in the game. Why would any organisation actively make rules that would take that out of their game or potentially ban their major stars and attractions from their biggest games?

Only in the NRL. But thankfully, they had a 3rd string putz representing the NRL and arguing their case and as usual the club/clubs ran rings all over them and Billy the champion player that millions love or hate will be on stage for his last ever big rumble.

Lets hope the NRL over the summer gets the wording right on this rule and it reflects more of what is good for both the players in protecting them from injury and from themselves when they get it wrong without harm or malice.
Didn’t read the whole post, too long lol but totally agree slater should not have missed the gf for that tackle
 

strider

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Under the current rules Slater SHOULD have missed the GF

Probably only 1% of players would have got off that charge like he did - ie a handful of big name stars would get favoured .... but the other 99% would have had no chance .... and there in lies the big problem
 

84 Baby

Referee
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Under the current rules Slater SHOULD have missed the GF

Probably only 1% of players would have got off that charge like he did - ie a handful of big name stars would get favoured .... but the other 99% would have had no chance .... and there in lies the big problem
Bingo. Jahrome Hughes would have been suspended. I reckon even Vunivalu would have. Chambers would have been their contention point
 
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Under the current rules Slater SHOULD have missed the GF

Probably only 1% of players would have got off that charge like he did - ie a handful of big name stars would get favoured .... but the other 99% would have had no chance .... and there in lies the big problem
Leave Billy alone!!
 

Bolgeel

Juniors
Messages
278
Under the current rules Slater SHOULD have missed the GF

Probably only 1% of players would have got off that charge like he did - ie a handful of big name stars would get favoured .... but the other 99% would have had no chance .... and there in lies the big problem
I’m pretty sure you are correct but I still don’t think anyone should miss a gf for that tackle
 

Gronk

Moderator
Staff member
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Under the current rules Slater SHOULD have missed the GF

Probably only 1% of players would have got off that charge like he did - ie a handful of big name stars would get favoured .... but the other 99% would have had no chance .... and there in lies the big problem
This every day. Sick of one rule for some and another rule for others. How stupid to say that a player should not miss a big match. Coaches will just instruct their players to break bones because you will still get to play next week.

If it’s a rule where players have been suspended all year, then you can’t just ignore the precedent and let him off.

All fans want is a free flowing game with consistency by the merkins in middle. Stop f**king changing it every 5 minutes.
 

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