Discussion in 'Parramatta Eels' started by Gronk, Jun 21, 2016.
Is it Moses what?
Good solid player and would add plenty to our pack, good tackler and we need plenty of those. Our attack has improved immeasurably but our defence still the same, poor, and that needs to improve before we'll be able to contest a grand final. Arrow and Welch would transform our pack and tbh would probably complete our recruitment for next year.
In case you haven't heard with the players being let go and re-signing of others, most for less, we should have plenty of money for 2 x $400k props. MJs salary, if re-signed, will drop from $700k to around $300-350k (my guess) that'll almost pay for one on its own.
Good summary Happy and probably about right with your values although I think some in there will not be here next year. Shows how a roster can be built under the cap without paying over the top values for under-performing players.
Well somethings wrong as we're down towards the bottom in defence!!!
Both Arrow and Welsh are 600K plus players now.
You're not going to complain that our pack is too small if we sign Arrow (101kg middle forward)?
Both are worth what the highest club is prepared to pay for them. I can see a desperate club offering Arrow around that figure but not Welsh
You do realize that there are always desperate clubs right?
How many Origin halves didn't have a running game? Even Hodkinson would go himself when his runners were all covered.
If teams pay overs for players it's not because they want to. They know how much players are worth. Getting them to sign for that much is the problem. If we want a player and the Roosters (for example) are offering 100% of what he is worth under the cap PLUS the opportunity to play rep footy PLUS money outside the cap, then we need to pay more than that 100% of what the player is worth, which means paying overs. The alternative is not signing any players.
The way you idiots talk you'd think everyone in rugby league knows how good players are except for the people running the weakest clubs. The problem isn't talent identification, it's convincing players to choose us over a better club. Extra money is generally the only lever weak clubs have.
Arrow yes but Welch would be $400-$500k tops.
Jai Arrow would be the best forward acquisition. He is a beast and only going to get better. Great runner, excellent defender and has a massive motor.
In order of preference...Arrow, Welch, Ese'ese then George Burgess
Yes I do
If you think Mahoney, a 21 year old 80 minutes hooker leading the NRL tackle count is going to be on anything under 500k you’ve got rocks in your head.
I can see how he might be on $500k, if he left us for the Dogs or the Titans, but it would be disappointing if we had to pay that much to retain a kid with less than 50 NRL games, and who isn't even a focal point of our attack. He might be worth it on a long contract - by the end of four years he'll almost certainly be worth $500k.
I agree with all your statements here, but the problem in regards to Welsh is he has been holding out for $600+ and now that he is an origin player and has a manager too would be even more determined to get that. If he has a big game he will probably get it too.
The reason we dropped off him a few months ago was his asking price. It's just that there are very few quality forwards around that you could pick up for less that he is still in the picture.
Even Burgess will bulk at a $350-400K figure. Watch how long he will ride it out if he can't get over $500-550K at least.
But yes you are right, on actual output, Welsh, and Ese'ese are worth around $400K. Burgess around $300-350K and only Arrow is worth around $600K, but you can guarantee that Arrow will be getting more then that if he were to leave the Titans.
Good then the lower figures that you are stating probably won't happen then.
Did you even read what I said? I agreed that Arrow might get close to that $600k mark from a desperate club (of which there are a few). However I disagreed that Welch will get that much, even from a desperate club.
Scores are locked at 18 all and there is 5 to go and your in good field position.
Who would you prefer on the field?
Moses is great. But sometimes he throws a pass when it just is not on or puts in a woefull kick. I reckon that is the reason we end up in some games where we are dominated in opening 25mins and a lot of times can't recover.
The thing is he can fix it and when he does he can be the best half in the game. If he does fix it.
Cleary will just start to read a game better. He will learn when and how to choke the team. I doubt his ceiling is as high as Moses but unsure Moses will ever reach that ceiling. I reckon Cleary will slowly improve. He is 21yrs old.
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